End of the world ???

[Aileron]

(does a jig)


Yeah I could use a beach near my home in arizona...its basically one without the ocean anyways. I say bring it on![]

(Drinks a beer)

[Quiet Storm]

Pole Shift Data Collection Site

http://www.osasleuths.org/Main/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3430

[Naiad780]

Can anyone find a link to this in the American Journal of Science?  I was unable to find one online.

If this is true, I guess I'm glad I live high in the mountains in Colorado.  Of course, I'm sure it would be overrun with refuges and food supplies would be scarce, so it would suck just as much as the rest of the world.  Good time to learn to be a breatharian, I guess.  But they still need water.

[Logic]

Water expands when it freezes, and 90% of icebergs are underwater, I think that a lot of the predicted sea level increases are overestimates.

[James S]

quote:Originally posted by Logic

Water expands when it freezes, and 90% of icebergs are underwater, I think that a lot of the predicted sea level increases are overestimates.

Exactly!

more "practical" scientists have pointed this out, using the basic demonstration of a full glass of water with an ice cube. The ice cube melts, but the glass doesn't overflow.

Only trouble here is this is true for the Arctic, which is only floating ice, but not true for the Antarctic, which is a solid snow/ice covered land mass.

James.

[Logic]

quote:Originally posted by James S

Only trouble here is this is true for the Arctic, which is only floating ice, but not true for the Antarctic, which is a solid snow/ice covered land mass.

James.

hmm, build a dam around it!!

[Jenadots]

Change happens and the earth has its cycles - cycles that are much longer than our limited life spans.

Perhaps it is just a way of cleansing itself - or a big recycling of melting, injecting new waters, and then melting again.

As to how we can survive -- well, there is hydrophonics if the various governments can plan well enough to keep everyone supplied with electricity and grow lights.  Electricity - and solar and wind energy can keep us warm and melt the ice in the backyard for water.  

In the USA we have more coal than we could ever use to make charcoal for grilling and heating foods if necessary.  

In its most extreme scenario, it may seem like the end of the world as our species experiences a massive die off along with the other species that we share our planet with. But some will survive and the earth will renew itself as it has many times before.

One can hope that our governments begin to develop contigency plans so survival is possible, even if not as comfortable as the lives we have today.  

If not, well then just consider that death is not an option for us, it a requirement and something we must all face sooner or later.  Obviously, later is better and going quietly and peacefully in old age is what we all prefer.  Unfortunately, it doesn't always happen that way.  

In any case, yesterday is gone and tomorrow is just a hope.  And I have a lot of hope that nature will yet be kinder to us than we have been to it.  

And since I plan to retire in Colorado, I too would appreciate an ocean view in my old age...[]

Jena

[Rastus]

Where I am sitting as I type this was under about 1000 feet of ice 50,000 years ago.  Deal with it.  Most of North America was glaciated.  When the ice age ended, we lost the saber tooth tiger and the wooly mammoth (as well as some species of Rhinocerous).  Whose to say it's still not ending?

Besides, the loss of Florida isn't that big a deal ;)p

[no_leaf_clover]

Weather patterns and natural disasters are changing for sure. The jet stream's changed, earthquakes and volcanic activity is on the rise as well as hurricanes and tornadoes, and temperature changes as well. Global warming and flooding are by no means impossible or even unlikely. Science has only been around for a few hundred years in Western culture, and much less around the world. We know things like this have happened all through our past, but science hasn't been around long enough to experience such a change first hand. I think it's about to, though.

On top of what was presented in Runlola's post, European scientists have estimated that European winter altogether may cease to exist through parts of Europe as soon as 2080. That could potentially make a desert out of Europe, similar to what happened in Africa.


As far as rising sea levels from melting ice, here's something I found on a site's FAQ about such things:

quote:To a first approximation, if all the floating sea ice in the world melted, there would be no change in sea level at all, as the floating ice will have displaced its own weight of water. However, if land ice melts, that will raise sea level. All the world's glaciers and small ice caps contain approximately 0.5 m of sea level equivalent between them, while the great Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets contain approximately 7 and 61 m respectively. Consequently, if all the wolrd's ice melted in a very much warmer world, sea level would be approximately 70 m higher.

However, when land ice melts the distribution of the mass of water around the global ocean is by no means uniform. A large melting would result in a modification in the Earth's gravity field which would result in the sea level change being higher in some places than in others.

Enough to cause a worldwide flood easily if we heat up enough. Doesn't even have to reach 70 meters to kill millions. Doesn't even have to rise half that much.

What's also interesting to note is that these changes aren't unique to Earth. Most notably is the Sun, which is showing more activity recently than it has since we started observing it. If I remember correctly, it's displayed more activity in the last couple years or so than it has in about all the years of the past century combined. Then of course Pluto's warming up as it moves away from the Sun, Venus's atmospheric chemical make-up is changing, unusual storms have been rampaging on Jupiter and Saturn, and Mercury has been reported to be developing ice caps. So whatever's going on is apparently affecting our whole solar system. []

[Logic]

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover

On top of what was presented in Runlola's post, European scientists have estimated that European winter altogether may cease to exist through parts of Europe as soon as 2080. That could potentially make a desert out of Europe, similar to what happened in Africa.

I though the warm air currents are no longer moving to Europe, atleast as much as before and decreasing, causing the opposite effect.

[no_leaf_clover]

I just based that on this article:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=570&ncid=570&e=1&u=/nm/20040818/sc_nm/environment_europe_warming_dc_2

Honestly I just skimmed over it, and really I'm too tired right now to read all of it. I read enough to see there's apparently some kind of trend but I'd check the whole article if I was really wondering, and even if it doesn't say anything about what you're talking about, you might be able to do a Google and find counter evidence.

I surely hope nothing major will happen to Europe but unfortunately that's not going to do a whole lot of good either way probably.

[Awakening]

i guess the question here is not whether or not things will happen, but rather, are you looking to much into it and are they too far off to really consider? OR, perhaps the media is only giving us this information so no one asks any questions and keep s a general calm for the time being.

which is it?

[Aileron]

everything and nothing.

The possibilities are always great, but to the extent the media/net/individuals believe or are trying to propose? That will always be the question. Time is all we have as evidence of anything.

[CptPicard]

Stange things are happening in this world, that's for sure... and I am feeling different too! I know something is about to happen that will change mankind for ever! and I'm not talking years but months... I'm deeply concerned about my 2 kids as should any parent.

Just keep your eye out for the astertoid 10 miles (16km) wide named Toutatis which will Graze earth on 29th September 2004. If the asteroid hits us it'll devaste half of the worlds population and create a tidal wave 17 miles (27km) high.

Toutatis is one of the strangest objects in the solar system, with a highly irregular shape and an extraordinarily complex "tumbling" rotation. Both its shape and rotation are thought to be the outcome of a history of violent collisions.

But I'm not saying this will be the cause.... Mankind is already doing a fantastic job of causing global warming.

[CptPicard]

Indeed... But they can't say for definite it won't hit either.

[Veccolo]

If the course of the asteroid isn't changed because of some unusual occurence (hit by another big asteroid, for example), it most certainly won't hit earth. Calculations have been proved to be quite accurate in the past, so I wouldn't worry about this one.

It's far more likely to be hit by an asteroid which will be detected when it's too late. Too few observatories are actually looking for them, afaik, so many parts of the sky are not observed well enough.

[TheDarkApprentice]

The human race and the earth is dying a slow death. It is too late save our planet now, especially with new uprising technology.

[Jenadots]

End of the world?  Not today.

Dear Dark Apprentice,  The earth is not dying....changing perhaps, but our remarkable planet has its own system of self-renewal.  

We, as a species, may someday go the way of the dinosaurs or may evolve into another, better species.  No one knows.

And on the bright side, scientists announced today that the hole in the Ozone layer over the South Pole has shrunk by 20%.  That is good.  They aren't sure why, but it is a measureable improvement.  

The real problem isn't that the planet is dying, but what over 6 billion people on it are doing to it.  Some think the earth's capacity is 10 billion of us and that is likely to occur in the next 25 to 50 years.  The problem is there are already too many of us overtaxing ecosystems just to have food and water.  Throw in the pollution from all the "stuff" we think we need and the irresponsibility of governments, corporations, and individuals and I agree it is quite a pig-sty.  

On the other hand, there are more trees in North America than there were a few hundred years ago.  Yes, there are...doesn't quite make up for the destruction of the world's rain forests all along the equator, but those countries may see reason yet.  Of course, most of those countries are not willing or culturally able to manage their birth rates so more and more people are clearing away more and more forest areas.  

Probably a better population for the planet is half what it is today.  But who gets to live and who gets to die...and who gets to decide.  I wouldn't want to decide that, would you?

I do believe that we as a species, and our planet, are still salvageable and worth saving.  How that can be accomplished is the real question.  We know what needs to be done, yet no country seems really willing to do it.  At least not yet.  Maybe things have to get a lot worse before those who have the real power in the world will do those things.  

Or maybe the rest of us will finally find a way to throw the bums out if they don't.

We are all here today.  Tomorrow is just an anticipation.  We may be approaching an end to certain kinds of civilization but I doubt if we are at the end of the world or the end of all life on this planet.  

Life, in whatever form, always seems to find a way to exist and grow.

In other words, your despair may be a bit of an over-reaction.  

[TheDarkApprentice]

quote:Originally posted by Jenadots

End of the world?  Not today.

Dear Dark Apprentice,  The earth is not dying....changing perhaps, but our remarkable planet has its own system of self-renewal.  

We, as a species, may someday go the way of the dinosaurs or may evolve into another, better species.  No one knows.

And on the bright side, scientists announced today that the hole in the Ozone layer over the South Pole has shrunk by 20%.  That is good.  They aren't sure why, but it is a measureable improvement.  

The real problem isn't that the planet is dying, but what over 6 billion people on it are doing to it.  Some think the earth's capacity is 10 billion of us and that is likely to occur in the next 25 to 50 years.  The problem is there are already too many of us overtaxing ecosystems just to have food and water.  Throw in the pollution from all the "stuff" we think we need and the irresponsibility of governments, corporations, and individuals and I agree it is quite a pig-sty.  

On the other hand, there are more trees in North America than there were a few hundred years ago.  Yes, there are...doesn't quite make up for the destruction of the world's rain forests all along the equator, but those countries may see reason yet.  Of course, most of those countries are not willing or culturally able to manage their birth rates so more and more people are clearing away more and more forest areas.  

Probably a better population for the planet is half what it is today.  But who gets to live and who gets to die...and who gets to decide.  I wouldn't want to decide that, would you?

I do believe that we as a species, and our planet, are still salvageable and worth saving.  How that can be accomplished is the real question.  We know what needs to be done, yet no country seems really willing to do it.  At least not yet.  Maybe things have to get a lot worse before those who have the real power in the world will do those things.  

Or maybe the rest of us will finally find a way to throw the bums out if they don't.

We are all here today.  Tomorrow is just an anticipation.  We may be approaching an end to certain kinds of civilization but I doubt if we are at the end of the world or the end of all life on this planet.  

Life, in whatever form, always seems to find a way to exist and grow.

In other words, your despair may be a bit of an over-reaction.  

I argee with you completely. If humans had never inhabitied this planet, then it would not be in the state it would be today.

The more correct statement is that "The human race is causing the earth to change for the worse"

[runlola]

 

[Philosopicalfreak]

this is no fair!!! if the world ends in 3-5 years I will never graduate and never become an adult and plus why would the world end at it's 2000th year and the human race at their over 4000th or something years, it's unethical to tell people that the world is going to end and put the world into a frenzy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[G3MM4]

I've been spending hours reading an ebook that is about NDEs, and there were some predictions in it about world events that will happen. Here is an extract from page 156:

From 1992 to 2012, great natural distasters will happen such as earthquakes, floods, tidal waves, and weather changes. Earthquakes will strike the eastern coast of the U.S. Japan will slip into the ocean. There will be three days of darkness from the explosion of volcanoes. Ultimately, these natural distasters will stop. Humanity will always have the light. - Cassandra Musgrave

There are more predictions on pages 154 - 157. The ebook can be downloaded free here.

Many of these predictions are about the weather, natural disasters, and other things. Well worth reading if you're interested in that sort of thing.

[crahzz]

It's funny that people of now predict about the future and they are believed...  but people often fail to see the obvious that is at hand.

Ancient cultures have dominated the super natural subjects for centuries.
There is no such thing as a 2012 related catastrophe because it is in the number 2012. It is a christian number, hardly the ending of the world has something to do with faith, for dinosaurs didn't believe in a god and they all died anyway. Numbers can always be calculated backwards, people see connections when they want to.

The fact remains the the mayan calender and the egyptian calender both ended at our 2012, of course they didn't call it that way. If you see on what reasons they based their theories they sound very sensible. In the same text they refer to the easter islands, no human could have moved such a large piece of rock and so on with the examples.

Whatever will happen, the maya culture has seen what it was and took it with them in their grave. I also noticed nobody wonders where the maya got their information, because if you take a good look, you will notice.. they kind of pop out of nowhere...

[G3MM4]

Nothing pops out of nowhere. There is always a source from where information comes from. The fact is, people will believe what they want. Now, as for believing prophecies and predictions, personally, I would prefer to wait and see what happens, that means, not either believing it or dis-believing it. I'm just neutral. But we can't deny that things are happening, there have been earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters, whether they will happen more often remains to be seen. The other fact is, mankind is abusing the planet, and when we abuse something, we can expect it to bite back sooner or later.

[pod_3]

This looks cool:
Revelations-13.com