Entity Identification

[Moonburn33]

can anyone else think of any other beings- no criticism, just a good old fashioned brainstorm.

i'm pretty sure that she is not a familiar either- because she doesn't seem to fulfill the criteria for one

[Silversunset]

duh, forgot that one
*goes to edit prev. post to add 'familiar' to it.*

[SpectralDragon]

Can you please post the reasons you know for a fact that it isn't the above? it will help with the process I think.

[Moonburn33]

a. demon- let's start with demon. my experience with demons(the ones that don't want to do business with you) is that they immediately have some ulterior motive.  this entity has been nothing but ethical in how she approaches my girlfriend.  she doesn't approach me because i'm trying to work out some things at this time and she knows that it'd really mess things up.  she's asked for nothing in return- taken no energy as "payment" or harmed my girlfriend or my girlfriend's family in any way.  there's also the fact that silver's rat hangs out with her- he's a better judge of "people" than any person i know of.

b. parasite- she has never taken any type of energy in any way from me or my girlfriend.  she has never asked to or alluded to it in the future in any way.  she remains professional about her relationship.

c. i've never heard of shapeshifter being an actual entity in and of itself.  this seems like calling something a "telepath" or a basketball player.  she does have the ability to change her appearance, but it's not her anymore.  like if she turns into a wolf- she has wolf essence- it's like she's been nothing else.  a shape shifter would just change hir "impression" but retain the same essence.

d.  spirit guide-  this is a very vague term- i've never been sure what this means.  maybe silver could answer this one.

e.  angel-  she's not an angel.  this is just something we'd know if we saw.  angels don't contact one person at length with such mundane things to talk about.  they don't hang out with you and just chat.  this entity does.

f. a familiar would be an entity that aids you in your magical efforts.  i've never known this entity to do this.

g.  this is not silver's imagination because everyone can clearly see this entity while in the wood's by her apartment.

[SpectralDragon]

Fair enough, I would consider these possibilities:

1) Shamanic spirit from previous lifetime.
2) Ghost/Shade
3) a simple spirit who simply was lonely and wants some company.

[Moonburn33]

those three types of entities are what i've been considering.  i was also thinking that maybe she was a member of some band of high level entities that just want to help out certain kinds of people.

[NeverKnowsEnough]

I don't mean to nag or anything but don't get involved with more than one entity. If you arleady have a few listen to them. If you know more then one find a way to "bind" them to you. I have done this and it has saved my a lot of greif. I was projecting at night and one of the spirits i have bound came to me instantly. He alwasy prtrays himself as a warrior, probably elvin for he is short with pointy ears. He is the first to come whenever i call out to my bound spirits. Well this night he told me to return for there was great evil out. I didn't listen to him and called upon my other spirits slowly they came as they are ofrced to. Each one reported the same thing as the first did. Still unbelieiving i said you can't stop me and that is where is was wrong. They forced me to reamin where i was utnil i went back willingfully to my physical body. Of course i still wouldn't go so they decided to show me what they were talking about. Past this point something hit me over the head and i forget the rest. But upon returning the next day i found destruction all around me. Many of the spirits refused to tell me what was going on. Finally the warrior steped forward and explained the ancient war of the worlds. The realm i was in was at war with another and well i was in grave danger as i found out later.

[Silversunset]

quote:1) Shamanic spirit from previous lifetime.

MOONIE I TOLD YOU SO!

sorry, we had this conversation the other night about past lives and such - and one of the people in the group i deal with said that she thought i had some sort of shamanic pastlife energy within me and around me. this only confirms that one of my most recent dreams (about that topic) is atleast MOST LIKELY a past life coming through and makes me feel more comfortable with stuff.

anyways, on to the important stuff:

quote:d. spirit guide- this is a very vague term- i've never been sure what this means. maybe silver could answer this one.

I have spoken to people who deal mainly with spirit guides - they are postive that this entity is NOT a spirit guide because of the way it manifests and behaves.

quote:2) Ghost/Shade

It is not a ghost - atleast not one that was living. I am able to "see" ghosts - provided that they were living at one time such as humans and animals - and ghosts only affect me in specific ways, this entity does not. Basically that means (in fun me terms):
Ghost = A
I = B
Entity = C
A + B = APPLES
A + C = ORANGES

quote:3) a simple spirit who simply was lonely and wants some company.

possible, but unlikely. from what i can tell this entity has been with me through many past lives - i did squeeze that bit of information out of her the other night.

She is lightening up a bit about what she'll tell me about herself but the main message i got was: she cannot tell me directly what / who she is because that would defeat the purpose. I am supposed to research, learn, inquire, and discover who and what she by any means necesary, just without her help - apparently this is some 'lesson' i'm supposed to learn or something, and is supposed to help me "learn to re-aquire and use the abilities gained in past lives"

NeverKnowsEnough: I have no idea what you're talking about....sorry i can't really comment on it.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:she cannot tell me directly what / who she is because that would defeat the purpose. I am supposed to research, learn, inquire, and discover who and what she by any means necesary, just without her help - apparently this is some 'lesson' i'm supposed to learn or something, and is supposed to help me "learn to re-aquire and use the abilities gained in past lives"

This heavely suggests the shamanic spirit idea. Shamanic spirits like to be recognized and remembered I am told. If you remeber her from a past life, you will have a very usefull spirit helper/ guide/ friend  if this is the case.

[Moonburn33]

could someone define a shamanic spirit for me- just so we're on the same page.

[Silversunset]

me too me too

[SpectralDragon]

Shamanism= invoking spirits to your aid. Basically you hold something close to a "contract" with them and they aid you. That's a very bad definition but it works. When I or my friend finds good sites on this I will post them.

[Nagual]

quote:Shamanic spirits like to be recognized and remembered I am told.

So, shouldn't it be more about remembering rather than discovering?
You might already know who/what she is; you might just have to remember it...
Maybe work on the few memories you have as a starting point and try to rebuild the whole thing.

[Tayesin]

Hi all,
I have to have a little giggle to myself here... a few posts ago a list of what kind of being She was not appeared, and we were told it was definately not a Guide.

Now, after all the semantics we find that it is a Guide, a helper, irrespective of how you came to have her around you.  And this was expressed to you early in this thread.

Two of my helper Guides are from previous lives, one is a Druid incarnation I was 1,500 years ago and the other is my greatest friend from the times before Earth incarnations, yet they are still Guides now.  And this is contracted before incarnation here, although the Druid was only contracted/manifest to help bring the memories of that life to the fore.

Nagual hit the nail on the head here too.  It is simply a case of remembering, so the trick then is for you to discover how you will remember.  

I found the easiest way for me was to step into the being/entity/guide and the memories come flooding back clearly.  It is worth a try if you have no success other ways.

Good luck with it.

Love Always[]

[Silversunset]

ok, so when i said it's not a spirit guide i meant in the traditional way they are thought of. obviously she is guiding me, but i was hoping maybe there was someone who knew what she was...you can be a guide and be something else at the same time - it's like a job. a Lifeguard or Nurse or Police Officer is not a species of human..it is just something we do. i was hoping to find out what she was, not what she did.

[Moonburn33]

i'm not sure that she would like being stepped into- that's sort of an invasion of privacy.  as for the memories- it would seem that they in of themselves aren't important only the abilities she had.  i might venture a guess and call it relearning instead of remembering.

i was a guide once- for my dojo back when i did karate.  doesn't mean i'm exclusively a guide or would like to be called one now (or then)

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

f. a familiar would be an entity that aids you in your magical efforts.  i've never known this entity to do this.

The reason i mention a "Familiar" (and its a pretty broad term really) is because Silver said Neena acts like a kind of scout- which certainly seems to me she is indeed aiding her. So she is at least acting like a "Familiar" in some ways.

[McArthur]

You may or may not find some of the info here of interest;

http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/blurb.php?pn=J339&type=Excerpt

I supppose "Familar" spirits could be considered somewhat similar to Shamanic Power Animal/spirits.

[Nagual]

I don't know if you read Latina_diva's story:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11286
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11335
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11398

but one points seems related to your question...

quote:She then Grabbed my hand and showed me, what I had forgotten. I felt a pressure in my head that was a little painful, but I saw everything so clear.

It might be this kind of remembering, or relearning if you prefer, that you need to do...

[Moonburn33]

i've been reading latina diva's story about her whatever that she ran into.  it's a little different- because this entity(silver's) wants silver to remember it through her own power, not have it handed to her on a plate.  it seems like she would have earned her old self rather than get a freebie.  

this entity doesn't feel like a familiar... that wasn't its goal.  its goal was to show silver what she had.. before.  maybe in a previous lifetime the relationship started off as sort of an ally situation- but not now.

but thank you both though

[Silversunset]

hi. i realize i am new here but i am no newbie to the 'spiritual' world as it is often called. eventually i'll learn the site's terminology but until then you'll have to bear with me.

alright, i seem to have this...entity...that has attached itself to me. i only call it an 'entity' because i do not know for sure what it is. so far i have apparently channeled this entity and left myself some pretty interesting handwritten notes, and if i go into places with high concentrations of energy i can actually see this entity. i have dreamt of it, and in this dream it appeared to me as a female human, bird, rat-like, dog/wolf like. it can change 'shape' like this in my waking state as well, however it is not a "shapeshifter" - it physically is all of these creatures that it morphs into. it does not seem to be a 'spirit guide' however it does not seem to be a 'ghost' of some sort.

my dreams lead me to believe that this entity has been with me in this life AND in past lives, although i have yet to really discover any past lives other than those from the dreams. in the dreams, the entity presented itself in the most widly accepted companion form: for example, i dreamt i was living in an old eskimo-esque hunting/fishing village, and the entity portrayed itself as the wolf/dog figure. Currently the entity portrays itself as a female, and basically refuses to tell me what's going on - they want me to "figure it out" without them telling me.

This entity acts sort of like a scout - that is the best way i can put it. They follow me around (when it suits them and me) and if the situation i am entering into is dangerous they warn me, however leave the decision up to me whether to proceed or not. It will not follow me into danger unless it feels it is something i cannot handle on my own, in which case it will preceed me and try to 'talk things down' as it puts it (basically i deal a lot with nature spirits, and some other types of not-so-nice entities, and venture into the woods with a group of people a lot)She goes by the name of Neena....

if anyone has any ideas as to what i have become friends with, i'd appreciate it. I have yet to fully understand what he/she/it is, and any ideas would be useful.