Zeta Project:- For discussion of Zeta's answers

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
As has been mentioned in a separate post in the Astral Chat section, there are references to both the Pyramids and the Sphinx in a Stela from the era of Khufu, and the source of this information has been successfully dated and deemed authentic.

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Further, the Great Pyramids, aside from being by far the greatest pyramids at Giza, are the only pyramids there free of Egyptian hieroglyphics. The only hieroglyphics found are obvious forgeries made by a frustrated man from merry old England, as is also documented in the posting of sections from Sitchin's second Earth Chronicles book in the book reviews section.

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In lack of such pyramids for rulers such as Khufu, a Great Pyramid is associated with Khufu. But in light of all this other evidence, would it not be likely for Khufu to, instead of building his own smaller pyramid, associate his name with a Great Pyramid by adorning it with his statue?

You may find this linked article of interest, especially this part by Graham Hancock http://www.grahamhancock.com/ (one of the ones who originally followed this forgery theory until he saw with his own eyes proof that there were hieroglyphics (called "Quarry marks" by some) there that could not have been forged;

http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id10.html

"While von Däniken sticks to the forgery line, Graham Hancock changed his mind in the light of "new" evidence known to Egyptology since the 19th century. Says Hancock:

"Cracks in some of the joints reveal hieroglyphs set far back into the masonry. No 'forger' could possibly have reached in there after the blocks had been set in place - blocks, I should add, that weigh tens of tons each and that are immovably interlinked with one another. The only reasonable conclusion is the one which orthodox Egyptologists have already long held - namely that the hieroglyphs are genuine Old Kingdom graffiti and that they were daubed on the blocks before construction began."

and;

"Hancock sets the record straight about his beliefs about the Pyramid: "For the record I believe that Khufu did build the Great Pyramid - or anyway most of it (perhaps the subterranean chamber and some other rock-hewn parts of the structure may be earlier)."

edit: p.s. the reason he came to this conclusion was because he was shown by an Egyptian official one of these hidden "quarry marks" within these cracks deep within the masonry with the name Khufu written there.


read his statement here: http://www.grahamhancock.com/features/trenches-p4.htm

Some people will believe anything these days []

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:"Cracks in some of the joints reveal hieroglyphs set far back into the masonry. No 'forger' could possibly have reached in there after the blocks had been set in place - blocks, I should add, that weigh tens of tons each and that are immovably interlinked with one another. The only reasonable conclusion is the one which orthodox Egyptologists have already long held - namely that the hieroglyphs are genuine Old Kingdom graffiti and that they were daubed on the blocks before construction began."

These so-called "cracks" may have been more than they are telling you. Do you know how Vyse went about moving from room to room in the Great Pyramids? He carelessly blasted his way through with dynamite. And he blasted straight through those gargantuan blocks because he had failed to move the ones blocking the original hidden entrance. It may be true that you can't crawl between the blocks and inscribe upon them once they are set in place, but what about when you blow the hell out of a neighboring block? Remember, Vyse was the first one to get his hands on any of these newly-discovered regions of the pyramid, and he was quite frustrated at not being able to find definitive prove of the creator.

The so-called "graffiti" would be Vyse's inscription from the sound of it ("graffiti" as opposed to more professional markings from high Egyptian scribes of the time, as the minor pyramids had, and even those scribes wrote flawlessly). He used a red paint of sorts, and I don't think that sort of paint was found anywhere else in any of the Great Pyramids, or at least where Vyse never went! If there had been, I'm sure they would inform you of it in that nifty little article as one more piece of evidence against Sitchin and others. But they didn't say anything about the distinct red paint being anywhere Vyse never went, and I've never read of any such things, or of any other hieroglyphics at all, being in those three main pyramids (in fact, in an Astral Chat post, someone posted a picture of symbols that were found in a Great Pyramid that appear to have been precisely etched into a higher part of a wall, and are clearly not Egyptian in nature). As for the 'errors' turning out not to be errors at all - how convenient for them! Turns out, Vyse wasn't wrong in his inscription of a basic phrase, but we had gotten the ancient language mixed up! The Egyptian language is still largely an enigma, as are other ancient languages such as Ancient Hebrew, Sumerian, etc. To say that we have the language down now, and didn't have it down before, would only be partially true in the sense that we know maybe a little more about it now than we did then.

That is not to mention that you were apparently unable to come up with anything to dismiss any other points, such as the fact that the three Great Pyramids were somehow collaborated to match the stars of Orion's Belt in exactly 10,500 BC. You say, rather arrogantly in my opinion, that 'some people will believe anything', implying that I am gullible, or maybe that I have no reason to believe what I do, which has kind of provoked me to post again in the manner in which I do so now. I'll also take this opportunity to tell you that I personally don't exactly enjoy most of your posts, whether they pertain to me or anything I happen to care for or not. You seem to like to play the part of the antagonist to me, and apparently rub it others' faces when you proudly think you have outwitted someone.

But either way, if you are so absolute in your beliefs that none of this 'Egyptians never built the Pyramids' crap is true, then why do you simply focus on minor, trivial things such as markings within the Pyramid? The simple fact that the subject is so controversial should be a sign that things aren't as absolute and definite as they seem. On top of that, once again, we have all the astronomical properties of the Great Pyramids that were previously unknown and have yet to be accounted for. Unless you can account for the vast majority or all of the things I listed in my previous post, you are being quite half-as.. -butted in assuming that I have no reason to back up what I claimed earlier. I am not completely set in my ways, and if great evidence was discovered that explained all of these relations between the Great Pyramids, 10,500, Orion's Belt, etc., etc., I would yield to the theory that to me made the most sense. You have yet to yield anything of any significance but rather the opposing argument to a trivial matter of who wrote what inside the Great Pyramids, and even then the argument doesn't exactly look obvious from either side without a sort of bias. It may well be impossible at this point in time to tell who made those scratchy markings in red paint on walls within a Great Pyramid without further investigation (or else a correlation of other, indirectly related but equally-important known facts...), on only the walls that had not been destroyed in the blasts of TNT, but with all that aside, you still have a bit to discredit before your statement..

quote:Some people will believe anything these days []

..is justified. I honestly don't even know what you're debating.

Edit: Had to add some smileys. [][][][][}:)]

[McArthur]

quote:("graffiti" as opposed to more professional markings from high Egyptian scribes of the time, as the minor pyramids had, and even those scribes wrote flawlessly).

They are Quarry marks made by the stonemasons that were building the Pyramids.

quote:I'll also take this opportunity to tell you that I personally don't exactly enjoy most of your posts, whether they pertain to me or anything I happen to care for or not. You seem to like to play the part of the antagonist to me, and apparently rub it others' faces when you proudly think you have outwitted someone.

Dear no_leaf,

1. Firstly I apologize for my remark that you are allowing yourself to upset you. I dont think i have "outwitted" anyone, this is not a competition. I am just offering more down to Earth explanations for some of the more outragious claims made in the "New Age" area. And my statement, whether you like it or not, is quite true. Although i agree that the "tone" of my posting style has much to be desired.

2. If you read the articles at the links i gave you will see that the evidence is so overwhelmingly factual against this "forged quarry markings" that i dont feel any more evidence i provide should be needed (and note that it is only Sitchin who came up with this conspiricy theory with no evidence to back up his claims). The hieroglyphics are there, and can be seen within the cracks between the huge blocks that would be impossible to forge. This is fact not some wishy washy theory.

3. The reason i didnt comment on the other points is because i have no firm opinion either way as to the dating of 10,500 B.C. But since you asked, here is some you can read (as well as the links i already gave that do mention this that you must have missed or not read...);

http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id3.html

quote:Anyway, Hancock and Bauval turned the cosmic clock backwards to align the pyramids with Orion c. 10,500 B.C., which they claim was the date of the lost civilization's entry into Egypt. That time falls within the astrological "Age of Leo," and lo and behold: we have a giant lion, the Sphinx, dating from that same time! What's more, on the equinox of 10,500 B.C., the Sphinx would have stared eastward at its own celestial image while the pyramids reflected the setting of Orion and the Nile mirrored the Milky Way. A very neat and seductive hypothesis.

But, like any new theory, there are many problems. First, there is no evidence that the ancient Egyptians had any constellation called Leo. In fact, the only constellations we know they shared with the modern zodiac were Orion and Draco. Other correlations are unproven. Even if it were true, there is no clear evidence that the Sphinx represented Leo or a lion at all. Robert Temple, for instance, thought the Sphinx resembled a dog more than a lion, since the dog-god Anubis guarded most sacred spaces.

Also, there is no hard evidence that the Egyptians knew about the Precession of the Equinoxes, let alone had the ability to calculate it to fix pyramid positions.

Or here: http://www.luckymojo.com/hancocklecture.html

I am not interested in getting into a big discussion or argument about this really because i feel what i have provided at least shows that some of the theories about the Pyramids out there are, well, not very well thought out ones. If you wish to cling to whatever beliefs you have about them and ignore the evidence then that is fine by me.

I wish you well on your path.

McArthur

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:They are Quarry marks made by the stonemasons that were building the Pyramids.

There is no evidence that the stonemasons themselves made the inscriptions. In this ancient culture it would still be unlikely for any hieroglyphics to be hastily and sloppily etched onto block. The task of inscribing hieroglyphics was taken seriously, and your average Egyptian Joe wasn't literate. To this day, Egypt has problems with their literacy rate, which is only around 55%.

I appreciate your respect for my beliefs and I will also respect yours and will not post further unless you'd rather have me do so. I will say, though, that some of the quotes from that web page seem to better support the idea that the Pyramids are not of Egyptian origin unless you like the idea of their mathematical and astronomical significance being strictly coincidental.

Good luck on yours as well and may all be well in the end, for all of us. []

[Mrsix]

Hello people, not been here for awhile.. moving house... and can I just say that this site is nowhere near 56K modem friendly... heh, anyways...

Arn't we all supposed to be dead now, what with Poleshifts and all? I hope we've all come to accept that it was all a load of poop... well, I have anyway...

Blimey, we'll beleive anything we're told wont we... anyays, hope y'all keeping well..

Rob

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:Arn't we all supposed to be dead now, what with Poleshifts and all?

Only if you were one of the people who thought it was coming in May, 2003 or some other recent date. []

[BlackBox]

Without reading the gargantuan amount of Zeta talk, can I ask a question?

Who are the Zetas?? I am confused because I assumed they were this:

-Lizzies
-Annunaki
-Elohim
-Matrix-Control-System Controllers
-Nephalim 'owners'
-Those who battled against prime-creators of this planet approximately 300,000 years ago to OWN earth.
-Yahweh/Jehovah

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Are the Zetas, the above?

The reason I assume this is because they come from planet 'Zeta' Reticuli in the Orion sector.

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So please, someone fill me in because then I can decide if I should spend my afternoon reading about them IF they are NOT who I think they are.

[no_leaf_clover]

Well, in these topics, this is the deal with the Zeta:

They aren't lizards. I guess they would qualify as 'Annunaki' in that the Sumerian term means 'Those who from Heaven to Earth came' as translated in Sitchin's work. Elohim, if I remember correctly, is another term for the Jewish God. Wouldn't know anything about 'matrix controllers'. I wouldn't say they 'owned' the nefilim, either. The nefilim was more or less a Hebrew version of the Sumerian 'Annunaki', who were largely not Zeta but from a planet or other large celestial object that is now a part of our solar system as is explained and argued in Sitchin's work. They don't own us, either. They don't bother us for the most part but are trying to guide us in a more aware direction. Going by opinions here, Yahweh was an Annunaki from the celestial body now in our system. Yahweh was (and still is, I suppose) the Sumerian deity Enki.

[BlackBox]

Thanks for the background.

I think you're right about Annunaki, I seemed to have mixed that up. It probably means Nephalim also.

But I'm getting some odd vibes from this thread. You say they are not lizards? Well, let me rephrase it. Are they 4th Dimensional? If they are, then they are part-physical because 4th Density is 'variable physicality/ethereal' and I think the Zetas are reptilian in their physical composition.

If someone can verify or cancel this out, it would be appreciated.

If they ARE Reptillian and are connected to anything in regards to 'Elohim', the originators of the world religions of monotheism, then they are the 'lizzies'.

If this is so, then any positive comments or actions they take right now only lead to manipulation and their faith-traps.

But maybe I'm mistaken and they aren't the 'lizzies'.

[no_leaf_clover]

They're at least of the 4th density. I can't remember where exactly they said their race was, but from other things I can remember being channeled, they're at least 4D.

The Zeta are more a kind of the 'Greys' I think. There's a separate topic hanging around here somewhere where Reptilians were channeled by Fuzziwig for a while.

[Reality]

This can't be true. I read the Thiaoouba Prophecy and they said something totally different about who lived on Atlantis and what happened. I'm not saying the TP is the truth, but it's alot more convincining then this imo anyway. I dont like what they said about PK either. Sounds so.....'limited'

The Zeta topic could very well be a largely organized joke, no... deception.

Probably best to not take a word from them, unless you meet one personally...

[BlackBox]

TP is just another Zeta-like scheme, just from another angle. Some info is disinformation, while other details are very useful.

Overall, I label the Zeta material corrupted just like I consider TP corrupted. It is all used to slippery slope eager-minds from being inspired by fine details, and then lead them to believe a conclusion that is carefully encoded.

[Reality]

I think I agree with you there Blackbox...I wonder if there was a whole team of 'good willed' people set on the writing of TP, since even though it might not be a true story, the message that it contains is not far from the truth: that modern people today are too materially oriented, and neglect the spirtual, and how this mix together with some other factors would lead to mass disasters etc.

I guess when reading such things it's indeed best to not make any assumptions, and just filter the useful and trustworthy messages/information from the less likely/wishful thinking.

For all we know, astral projection, telekinesis,energy & aura's are indeed really real, and that's very great already, what's next

And even if those prophet bringers are real, they'd probably like it better if we find stuff out on our own, rather then believing everything they tell with blind trust.

[BlackBox]

I was expecting you to disagree with me. []

TP reminds me of the Raelian movement. Along with the Zeta discussions and even the 'Michael' mediation that SD does, I believe they are all categorized into the same group of information.

I think their main purpose is to either (a) gain allegiance from mediocre readers or (b) confuse those who read the contrary which when they make their move in the coming years (physically -- diplomatically) they will have some considerable support.

Even though comic book style 'Good' vs 'Evil' doesn't exist in physicality in our reality, the symbology is very true. The super-heros are the ones that can discern between the 'false prophets' and those who are indeed objective-creators. The super-heros are the ones that know, ultimately, that human-beings do not need any assistance evolving. Information is one thing, but assistance from higher-entities is a form of manipulation on their end, even if it seems otherwise in ours. The reason for this is that, in a very complicated way, by effecting OUR actions, they effect quantum reality. History. Whatever interference they do, effects all of the above densities, so any entity that does such a thing instead of flowing with natural universal principles of self-learning/self-sustaining, has motives and agendas that are hidden from humanity. They are hidden mostly because the majority of 3D humans on this planet lack the capacity to understand this correlation/everything is intermingled concept.

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:This can't be true. I read the Thiaoouba Prophecy and they said something totally different about who lived on Atlantis and what happened. I'm not saying the TP is the truth, but it's alot more convincining then this imo anyway. I dont like what they said about PK either. Sounds so.....'limited'

For me it falls into a grander scheme of things. I wouldn't have even cared about any of this if I hadn't read some of Sitchin's work. It's very convincing as well, though I haven't read TP and wouldn't be able to compare. Sitchin deals with different interpretations and histories of the ancient people and the Bible, exploring a lot of things that confuse scholars to this day and showing how these ancient people were familiar with extraterrestrials and were referring to them as the 'gods' in their 'mythologies'. His work ties around to today because these beings come and go in cycles every few thousand years, and are supposed to be returning within our lifetime.

[Reality]

quote:Originally posted by BlackBox

I was expecting you to disagree with me. []
so any entity that does such a thing instead of flowing with natural universal principles of self-learning/self-sustaining, has motives and agendas that are hidden from humanity. They are hidden mostly because the majority of 3D humans on this planet lack the capacity to understand this correlation/everything is intermingled concept.

That would be (hypothetically spoken) 'the Zeta's' coming down and offering help to build up humanity right?

About the TP...I'm not so sure they have hidden agenda's whatever...did you actually read the whole thing btw?

[BlackBox]

Yes I did.

It really mesmerized me, because I resonated with many of the half-truths flustering around in the material.

However I was able to discern to the realization that it was designed, structured, like any good-story to (1) gain your interest, (2) juice you for more half-truths that break down some of the barriers you naturally have with your belief-structures, and then (3) begin to twist it as lead to support for Nephalim/Annunaki archetypes.

Absolute truth comes from an objective-speaker, not one that plays on your emotions and beliefs as to twist you through their ride. However, overall, it is a great read because they put in a lot of knowledge that I believe is correct. Like for example, the Pyramids were used (1) for weather-control to support their agriculture and (2) vast-distance communication.

I personally do not believe Jesus was ever crucified, from my own intuition and the channeled sources I believe are verified (cassiopaeans and Ra).

Michel, the Protagonist, was probably destined in this life-time to do some real great work, and the Nephalim picked him as to pull a 180-turn his purpose around.

[Kerrblur]

Hey can you give out any specific book titles I can possibly Get my hands on?

[Sentential]

Any chance I could get to talk to the "Zetas" on AIM? I got some questions I would like to ask on a 1 on 1 basis, due to their personal nature.

I really dont wanna start saying things in public until I get some confirmations with them.

[no_leaf_clover]

Some books I know of.. I know there are more.

Zecharia Sitchin's 'The Earth Chronicles' Series, which includes starts with the book The 12th Planet.

Bringers of the Dawn by Barbaria Marciniak.

The Orion Prophecy Patrick Geryl and Gino Ratinckx .. An interesting read but extremely pessimistic. Of course it'll be up to you to decide whether or not you think we're coming up on a new age or simply destroying ourselves as a race.

The Orion Mystery by Robert Bauval (has some interesting information but doesn't really get to much to do with extraterrestrials, just some oddities that show problems with modern theories)

I'm sure there are plenty of others; it's just a matter of people posting them.



Any chance I could get to talk to the "Zetas" on AIM? I got some questions I would like to ask on a 1 on 1 basis, due to their personal nature.

I use AIM, and I had to download MSN just so I could talk to Mayatnik and the bunch. I don't get on it much anymore but last I talked to Edi wasn't too terribly long ago and he said Mayatnik still signs on occasionally, so you may still be able to talk to them if you download MSN and find their email addresses, but I'm pretty sure they don't use AIM.

[aryanknight666]

'After the flood, much of the landscape was eroded. A landing base was needed for the Gods. The twin pyramids at Giza in Egypt were built to replicate the twin peaks of the mountain Ararat.
Measurements were taken from the skies. The Gods also used the Pyramids to do ritual work, for magickal ceremonies and initiation rites.

These measurements paralleled the ley lines and magnetic fields of the Earth. There are 365.24 cubits in the pyramid's base. This corresponds exactly to the solar year. The sum of the base diagonals give an approximation of the number of years in a total precession of the equinoxes. (Just short of 26,000). The pyramid's apex corresponds to the north pole, the perimeter is equivalent to the equator, its four plane surfaces accurately represent the four quadrants of the hemisphere.

The exterior of the great pyramids were covered with limestone. They shone in the Sun. (The limestone has been picked off over the centuries). The pyramids served as landing beacons. Inside crystals were placed. The power of the crystals produced a beam that reflected up to the sky. To this day, the electrical current at the apex of the pyramids is so powerful, it has knocked men unconscious. The pyramids also reverberated from the inside to serve as a landing guide. The Gods called them the "lofty houses of eternity."
The pyramids were built in the Age of Leo, according to what was written by the Gods. This is the reason for the Sphynx. The face on the Sphynx was originally that of the Egyptian God, Thoth. Due to rivalry between brothers Thoth and Marduk/Amon Ra, the face was eventually changed to that of Amon Ra'.

As for nibiru, the inhabitants are not grays. They are like large "humans", 7-14 feet tall, muscular, mostly nordic looking, both male and female. They survive by gold in the atmosphere, which ran out, which is why they came to africa, earth, to mine it, and put it into the atmosphere. They first used nephilim/annunaki (the inhabitants of nibiru) but enki, the first annunaki/nephilim on earth later created homo-sapiens in their image. After the mines were finished enki and the nephilim on earth wanted to keep humans and advanced them until they were as gods. Other annunaki wanted to destroy humanity instead because the project was finished. They did, but the humans survived thanks to enki saving a particular man and his family named zuisudria. The Annunaki who were freinds with humanity showed humans everything, civilisation, the arts, sciences, writing, etc. They were worshipped as gods by humans, this happened in sumeria, the cradle of civilisation. The Egyptian Gods were annunaki...Enki is the egyptian God ptah. None of these gods exist on nibiru anymore. They gave humanity too much knowledge and power, and above all let them survive. Because of the caste system they gave leadership over to the other gods which kicked them out of nibiru, they lost the fight because they were outnumbered and they now live on the most beautiful planet in the universe.

As for the zeta, they are grays. They are liars, they are evil. Yes they do tell us we don't know the truth about "God" meaning that the theosophical and vedic theories are wrong, and this is true. The truth is actually very different, I know what it is. PK does exist and they lie about this, this is because they don't want us to have abilites like PK. As for the mass deaths...I know the truth about this as well, how it will happen, if it is a true prediction, etc...and yes, the gods which wanted humanity's destruction and ultimatley still do who kicked the egyptian, babylonian, sumerian, mesopatomian gods out etc are definatley still being worshipped, revered and praised en masse. But of course you can't take any of what I say about the 'truth' more then opinion and I can't encourage you to do so, otherwise I'd get in trouble.

[Sentential]

I have my reasons for distrusting the Zetas. I must stress that their words must be taken with a grain of salt. Most likely they are using you (without your knowledge) to advacnce their own adgendas

[MAYATNIK]

DISCUSSION THREAD

Post your discussions here
of
any answers given by the ZETA

The other thread
<ZETA PROJECT: ZETA CONVERSATIONS - and QUESTIONS>
should be kept for SPECIFIC questions
- so this thread is provided for broad discussion
of the answers that the ZETA give
in their INFORMATION dialogues.


With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK