Telekinesis told by psychic

[Stookie]

Hi Dotster

I don't mean to dissuade anyone from attempting it. I think my view of it comes from my early days of learning astral stuff. I spent a lot of time reading and studying everything I could get my hands on, including a lot of stuff that wasted a LOT of my time. I could have advanced much further quicker if I would have stuck to simple meditation, concentration, & visualization exercises, instead of trying to see auras and read minds and talk to the dead.

This stuff is all possible, and TK probably is too, but like seeing auras, it begins to come more naturally as you become more familiar with non-physical experiences over time. So it seems to me, the quicker way would be to learn to have experiences outside the physical and develop a stronger connection between the physical and non-physical. Then you'll also have a much better experience in understanding what exactly TK is and how it works. I don't see anyone getting far with TK by working at it completely in the physical world.

However, I'm sure you're correct in saying that it helps concentration. Anytime you focus on one thing without distractions you are improving concentration. I'm sure it has some other benefits external to TK also. So I'll reiterate: TK results would probably be much better if accompanied with some form of non-physical exercises and practice. They would in turn strengthen each other.

However, I still want to see someone ride a bike without pedaling. I see that, and I'll start practicing tomorrow.

[tksjm]

Guess I should go get my bike and start practicing for you then...lol
one problem though....dont know how to push thing or pull things.....just spin.....O.O

Shouldnt be that hard though right?........lol

~TK

[dotster]

Hi Dotster

I don't mean to dissuade anyone from attempting it. I think my view of it comes from my early days of learning astral stuff. I spent a lot of time reading and studying everything I could get my hands on, including a lot of stuff that wasted a LOT of my time. I could have advanced much further quicker if I would have stuck to simple meditation, concentration, & visualization exercises, instead of trying to see auras and read minds and talk to the dead.

This stuff is all possible, and TK probably is too, but like seeing auras, it begins to come more naturally as you become more familiar with non-physical experiences over time. So it seems to me, the quicker way would be to learn to have experiences outside the physical and develop a stronger connection between the physical and non-physical. Then you'll also have a much better experience in understanding what exactly TK is and how it works. I don't see anyone getting far with TK by working at it completely in the physical world.

However, I'm sure you're correct in saying that it helps concentration. Anytime you focus on one thing without distractions you are improving concentration. I'm sure it has some other benefits external to TK also. So I'll reiterate: TK results would probably be much better if accompanied with some form of non-physical exercises and practice. They would in turn strengthen each other.

However, I still want to see someone ride a bike without pedaling. I see that, and I'll start practicing tomorrow.

Agreed, and I would hope that people are not just working solely on TK, I believe you are 100 percent correct. And I will have to get out my bike sometime and practice for you ( just not too soon )

[tksjm]

Agreed, and I would hope that people are not just working solely on TK, I believe you are 100 percent correct. And I will have to get out my bike sometime and practice for you ( just not too soon )

And why can't someone solely work on TK?.....I have and its come a long ways since i started a few months ago...hell the psi wheel i have under a large container spins in any direction i tell it too.....i just cant lift it up yet....but in 4-5 months of tk practice.....? tell me that i havent done alot.....and i'll tell you how to fly.......
yeah sure....AP and OBE might.....and i say might help....but on a energy level.....people should first learn how to control the energy around them before learning to control thier own....and i mean not controling energy of say a volks wagon before making a energy ball....but like learn how to harness earths elemental energy first......try to absorb that energy for your own use....{yeah i know kinda long explaination.....but i just couldnt help it captain....lol}

Anyways.....sorry if i sound messed up in the head....its just i've been trying now for a few days to lift the psiwheel....and all it does is spin.....its really frustrating.....o.o..}

~TK

[dotster]

I'm not saying that it is wrong to JUST practice TK, but I believe that it would be more beneficial overall, in general, to study and practice multiple subjects so as one doesn't become weary of the one they practice. Just like school. I wouldn't just take all business classes, i would take math, and foreign language also, or something like that. Math and foreign language are bound to help you out in the business world somehow, you know what i mean?

[Stookie]

Guess I should go get my bike and start practicing for you then...lol
one problem though....dont know how to push thing or pull things.....just spin.....O.O

Then getting a bike to move shouldn't be ANY problem. You can spin the front wheel, the back wheel, or any of the gears to get it to move. What's the difference between spinning a psy-wheel vs. a bike wheel?

[dotster]

What's the difference between spinning a psy-wheel vs. a bike wheel?

mental barriers. it's a lot harder to unlearn something. especially when you have been taught your entire life that what you are trying to do is impossible.

[SnakeDoctor]

TK sounds a little too star warsish for me...


i was talkign to some one on here thru PM, i asked them to teach me...they told me to check out a couple of vids on their myspace to get an idea...and then to get back to them, i did...i got an idea...think of the object, feel it with your mind. think of it as going nearly 1000mph because it actually is thanks to the rotation of the planet...i knew that one already...then to get back to them...i did, they told me well what do you think you need to do next? i was like well...ur the teacher why don't you tell me...in theback of the mind i was thinkin' their full of excrement.

[dotster]

Well, I dunno if the person was just trying to bs you or not but the best teacher is yourself. It's not like magically one day a scroll appeared on the planet that taught people how to meditate, they started figuring it out for themselves. Yes, then I know they taught other people but the fact still remains that everyone does it differently; no one does it exactly the same. They do what makes them feel most comfortable. Sure they might have read and use the same "technique", however, when they get down to it, no one person executes that technique in the exact same way with all the exact thoughts and emotions. Just learn to trust yourself, then you will start to actually KNOW yourself, and as I said, the best teacher IS yourself. The whole Just Do It concept is based on this. Trust yourself enough to know that you know how to do it, then just do it. It will work. What causes it not to work is skepticism. If you don't believe in yourself first, then you cannot help yourself.

[Baki Hanma]

If I may I would like to voice or type my opinion on this topic like the rest of yous have . I am fairly new to the practice but not at all to the awareness of its existence.

It would seem from the many forums I've been to their are people who believe and people who don't. Naturally of course.. What I have learned in my own experience is that whether you believe in Telekinesis or not, either way your right. Why? Because you are the creator of your own reality. Once you sink into the belief of TK being impossible or even find a little evidence that would somehow lead you to believe that it isn't possible. Then that would be your reality. In other words it is impossible... For you!!

Its all about manipulating energy and vibrations. It has scientifically been proving that everything is energy, and that the mind - conscious has a connection with this energy. People manipulate energy all the time and mostly without even knowing it. I myself have only produce small results as in moving pendents, sliding pencil across the table, and slightly bending of the spoon (For some reason I have yet to fully bend it  ). I have proving to myself that TK is possible. So therefore no one alive can convince me other wise. My only challenge now is convincing myself that there is no limit to what you can move. On an energetic or atomic level, size and weight does not exist. Therefore, theoretically at least, using mind power to move a mountain is no more difficult then moving a pencil, and yes I mean this literally. Though at the moment I have yet to produce or seen such a feat. I have no doubt it is very possible.

Personally I believe that the only reason that such abilities will take years (if years) to harness or fully develop is because we have evolved over the years/decades/centuries in a manner in which we relay to heavily on material possesions to solve all our problems. I'm not sure how this happened, but it did. These so called psychic powers weren't psychic back when they were being used on a daily basis. They were as normal as writting, or riding a bike, or anything natural.

I don't think its fair to just assume something is impossible just because it hasn't been performed by the majority. I'm quite sure the many fascinating things that have been discovered today by science were deemed impossible decades ago. The knowledge was always there. It wasn't created, it was discovered. The same with Telekinesis. Science as we know it just hasn't caught up yet to were things like TK can be proving as a simple fact. It could be that there isn't any reason or use for such abilities in the current world we live in today. Our beliefs and mind powers are focused on other things like money, sex, power, responsibilities, yatta yatta yatta you get what I'm saying, that we don't put in the appropriate mind power or time to rediscover these now latent powers and apply them to our everyday lives.

[Stookie]

Once you sink into the belief of TK being impossible or even find a little evidence that would somehow lead you to believe that it isn't possible. Then that would be your reality. In other words it is impossible... For you!!

The only problem with this is, why does my skepticism keep others from being able to show me? They can't show me because it's not my "reality"? What about their reality? Why does mine overpower theirs?

These so called psychic powers weren't psychic back when they were being used on a daily basis. They were as normal as writting, or riding a bike, or anything natural.

There's no evidence that "psychic powers" were ever normal and natural. If anything, there's a mass of evidence that non-physical activities were limited to the initiated and kept secret from the non-initiated.

I don't think its fair to just assume something is impossible just because it hasn't been performed by the majority

I still haven't seen the minority. 1 single person even.

My problem isn't about TK, it's about beliefs. I can believe that superman is real with my whole heart. I can believe that Christianity is the one true religion. I can believe that a war in Iraq is good for the world. The 100% belief in no way makes these things true.

When people die for their beliefs, it's because they believe it with their whole heart. Take a step back a look at people who live by their beliefs vs. people that live by their ideals. Beliefs turn people's lives into self-created illusions.

[Baki Hanma]

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Once you sink into the belief of TK being impossible or even find a little evidence that would somehow lead you to believe that it isn't possible. Then that would be your reality. In other words it is impossible... For you!!

The only problem with this is, why does my skepticism keep others from being able to show me? They can't show me because it's not my "reality"? What about their reality? Why does mine overpower theirs?

That very well can be the case. TK, as what I can understand, may work under the "Law Of Attraction". Energies exist all around us and is constantly being influenced by our minds. TK takes more then just belief to pull off. When one, two or more people enter the same reality even for a moment, as when people enter a contest, the one with the higher or stronger mind power wins. People could chop this up to saying of that persons skills were more developed then the others, or the person was lucky, or whatever the reason for him/her winning a contest. The person that wins could have, even unintentionally, could have been using the "Law Of Attraction" to bring a less skilled opponent. Of course I'm just tossing ideas around with that one.

For example Mike Tyson won all his first fights until he met Busta Douglas. He had that mental attitude and belief that he couldn't be beat. Every athlete knows it takes mental and physical training to succeed, and for a while he had an unshakable ego. In this case of him losing to Douglas, I think Douglas belief and Faith to win was on a higher level than Tyson's. Therefor his thoughts had an higher influence on the outcome then Tyson's did.


Point is you attract what you want in your reality. For instance your a skeptic on this TK thing so you may always attract those who cant produce such things on a constant basis. Also you could be influencing opposing energy towards that person being that your skeptical, and if the person's Mind power, manipulation abilities, Faith, and concentration can not over ride that influence. Then your reality will turn out on top, i.e your the winner. Yes a persons negative thoughts could slightly or seriously hinder another persons process, depending on how well skilled he/she is with TK.

I don't think its fair to just assume something is impossible just because it hasn't been performed by the majority

I still haven't seen the minority. 1 single person even.

There could be many reason for this. Maybe those who can produce this kind of ability on a high level, if they are out there, state of conscious must operate on a higher level then ours. In other words he/she may find it somewhat erroneous to go out and prove it to the world knowing that somehow there will always be skeptics even after the demonstration. So what then is the point? Some will believe it, others will dismiss it as some kind of trick or whatever and the one performing it may be ridicule for it or scold.

I know if I would to develop to such a level I wouldn't show the whole world either out of fear that I may not live a more normal life or be accepted. People will be bugging me for explanations and the government may want to run testes and I will probably not live peacefully. I have should a few people my limited abilities of this TK, moving the pendent and sliding a pencil across the table. They always accused me of cheating somehow. Some believe I was for real, those who believe in the psychic occult anyways.

Also there are many vids on the net of such limiting abilities of TK. If you haven't seen any look them up . Also I think TK requires a certain level of mind prowess. Here are some things I know is needed:



1 - Concentration

2 - Focus, no distractions

3 - Unshakable belief that you can do it and already have

4 - True and Absolute Faith

5 - Manipulation of the Energies; influencing and controlling the energies


It takes trial and effort to find that perfect combination of mind, body, energy, belief and thoughts to bring out telekinetic powers in most people. Also just because one may hit upon the right combination today, it doesn't mean you will be able to hit that exact same combination tomorrow if the combination the produce such event was not fully realised or understood. Using the above 5 rules, I was able to replicate it say 6/10 roughly.. I guess that could be cause I am being hindered by the influences of skeptics or something or maybe I have yet to fully realise to right combonation required to bring full TK and 100% of the time. However, the big thing is to not get discouraged if it doesn't work for you in the first few tries. Rarely does it ever work for anyone in the first 100 attempts and it is not unusual for it to take several thousand attempts before a person sees the first results. This is because everyone is different and some may be more in tune to the energies in such a way that they can harness it to pull it off, while another struggles for months and even if one produces results, rarely would it be replicated so quickly the next time. I've noticed this myself, although I also noticed that it came a lot quicker the second and third time than it did the first time.

My problem isn't about TK, it's about beliefs. I can believe that superman is real with my whole heart. I can believe that Christianity is the one true religion. I can believe that a war in Iraq is good for the world. The 100% belief in no way makes these things true.

When people die for their beliefs, it's because they believe it with their whole heart. Take a step back a look at people who live by their beliefs vs. people that live by their ideals. Beliefs turn people's lives into self-created illusions.

I see what your saying. I don't think belief alone will produce TK. There must be other requirements along with belief, however disbelief will greatly hinder your developing of TK. Besides it must be more of an "I KNOW" thing, not I believe. You must know you can perform TK not just simply believe you can. Belief operates on more than one level. It could create your reality or illusions depending on how it is used. You should start out with the belief that you "CAN" do it. Then that belief must evolve into "Now I KNOW I can do this".
Sometimes it is very difficult to explain things, especially when there are many people searching for the opposing evidence that such things don't exist or work. Many things/events occur without an explanation, which the majority of us look for in order to determine the direction of their belief. Once someone cant explain something, it becomes unbelievable. I'm not exactly sure what to tell you. However if you wish to simply prove it works, just do what I did. Put at least 15 - 30 minutes aside during your day for practice. If you are interested in practice I wouldn't mind sharing a couple of books I have with you..

[dotster]

I still haven't seen the minority. 1 single person even.

Well, I would be more than delighted to show you myself, but I'm sure i live nowhere close to you, and if i made a video (no matter what the object being moved was) it was just continue to be shot down like the hundreds that already exist and the hundreds that will be. I'm not saying that you would put me down, because I know you're pretty cool person from previous conversations, but I know most people would say that I was using a magnet or it was the heat in my hands or a rouge hair from my head happened to fall on the object causing some kind of circular motion, or some sort of centrifugal force for extended periods of time; whatever the case may be. You can't force someone to believe, you simply cannot. If you can believe that anything really is possible, then you have an open mind, a TRULY open mind, and that is an amazing thing to have! They never thought it was possible for people to fly in the air, and people that attempted it were deemed crazy, and some even insane. But they worked relentlessly and firmly believed. No one else in the world believed it to ever be possible, but they continued to strive for their goal and in the end they had their success, their dream. They believed, and look at us now. Airplanes are one of our major people-movers, and happens to be one of the safest ways to travel. If you believe or not is up to you, but as for me, I really do believe in anything, and everything and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Baki Hanma]

if i made a video (no matter what the object being moved was) it was just continue to be shot down like the hundreds that already exist and the hundreds that will be.

Exactly, thats why I don't bother with vids or even in person for that matter. Certain people with an open mind, I wouldn't mind demonstrating the small abilities I currently have although I prefer to wait until I reach a state where I can perform consistently. People who are highly skeptical  will look for any means of logical evidence to dismiss the ability. Everyone operates under the "Law of Attraction" including skeptics. Thus they will attract all the logical and scientific evidence they believe will dismiss this whole thing as a hoax. Thus, in their reality they are right. The evidence they find convinces them beyond doubt that such abilities are impossible, and this can happen vice versa to those seeking the truth of such phenomenon. That right there is what I meant by belief being the first step. Of course belief alone will not produce the event to occur. It needs to be within the required combonation in order to pull off. The biggest areas we should work on at the moment is "Belief" and "Faith".

I still haven't seen the minority. 1 single person even.

What I meant was there wasn't a bunch of people displaying it publically. Thats what I meant by the "majority". There are some minor vids though. Check the net, heres one:

Nina Kulagina

and I cant wait to see how many of yous will chop this up to be some bull crap  ..

[Stookie]

I'm sorry, I should know better than to get involved in a TK thread. My apologies. Practice On!

[Baki Hanma]

I'm sorry, I should know better than to get involved in a TK thread. My apologies. Practice On!

Not to sound like a suck up but I dont think there is really anything you need to apologize for  . Your simply giving your own views and beliefs or disbeliefs on the matter just like everyone else.

[Stookie]

Thanks Baki. I just have the same opinion on it every time it comes up and really have nothing new to say. As an afterthought I didn't think it was fair to lean in one direction or another. You guys should be able to openly discuss TK. Hey, If I knew I could do it, you know I would!

[Baki Hanma]

I understand 

[dotster]

Baha stookie ^_^ Those GD tk posts. I like hearing what you have to say, so don't apologize for speaking your mind, continue to do so.

And for Baki,

Nina is old school. There is this guy on youtube (and he has some little yahoo tk group or something) but his video's are pretty cool. He's got cool idea's tool, and he tries to accommodate to his skeptics by moving things a certain way, how they ask him to, stuff like that. I haven't watched them all, but the one's that i have seen are pretty nifty. Here is his youtube profile: http://www.youtube.com/godspeed09