Bush Prophecy

[Legend]

I personally wouldn't mind a revolution.  The government is no longer working for the people and they have slaughtered democracy (the original ideas) so much that we're basically stuck to vote for 2 parties, which both have the same agendas.  It's not what I call "choice".  Besides, the gov. is backed up by all the big companies and etc.  I whs the people had more power (where it belongs).  The only part that may hit a lot of people is that once this happens, every single pennies you've saved will not make a world's difference.  Nonetheless, I'm still looking forward to it =)

I too have a prediction that things are only going to get worse with Bush. I don't know if he starts it but there is going to be more war and a possible revolution/uprise in the US. People are tired of the way things are and I think soon that people will finally wake up out of the brainwash of the multi-billion dollar, lets rape you for every thing you got industry.  As for how soon this all happens, I don't know just a gut feeling and I am usually right. However I do know things are only going to get worse for a while. Not good times to live in.

[Berserk_Exodus]

Adam, Still our choice as to what we will buy into and make into a self-fulfilling prophecy.  

Seems right now there is a lot of speculation that the next world war will have China invading the USA via Alaska, Canada and Mexico.  Basis for it is just about nothing.  In its 5000 year long continuous history, China has usually been invaded rather than invading other countries.  

Of course that can change, but historically, there is great resistance to that kind of thing amongst the Chinese people.  

This is the present and a new millenia - Anything is possible.  Even now, there are signs of Chinese dominance in the economic arena rapidly growing.  Chinese have ample resources, people, and motive.  They have to expand or they will deflate.  

I saw this on the Drudge Report today:

http://www.money.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2004/11/30/cneu30.xml&menuId=242&sSheet=/money/2004/11/30/ixfrontcity.html

As they person above stated, I believe that revolution is preferable to the future of humankind.  Do you want more of the same materialism and blind nationalist ideology or do you want freedom and enlightenment?  Sadly, the only route is through pain because the ruling class will not give up it's power without a fight.  I don't speak of a revolution of Communist sorts, I'm speaking of turning the hierarchical order entirely upside down.  I believe the spikes in oil prices and being forcibly weaned off of oil will help humanity achieve a natural order that should have been present before the oil boom of the 1900s.

The military power of a country should be based on how many autonomous fighting people are in the army, not based on how many warheads one side or the other's packing.  Balance of power does well for awhile, but now it can mean utter destruction even if the balance tips just a little.  In the scale of human history, this is an extremely quick and volatile society!  In under 200 years, we went from riding horse drawn carts to driving high powered gas-guzzling hum-vees and having tanks and missiles and jets that can break the sound barrier, and at what cost?  Too much power in to few hands.  

I have the feeling that there is so much excess and meaninglessness in this Western society that it must be cast away if anything better can grow...  I think that's what the ruling party fears.  There are a growing number of young people that are losing any remnants of faith they had in the government simply as a sign of the times.  If the time comes where I must make that choice I know exactly which side I'll be on.

[Jenadots]

Hi, everyone.  The problem with revolutions is that they often start out with the highest idealism but quickly degenerate into chaos and corrupting power struggles or get co-opted by a dictatorship who claims to just wanting to restore order, but never quite leaves once order is restored.

We need evolution far more than revolution.  Evolution of thought as well as spirit.  And I think that inner evolution if going on in our species and the conflicts within are being reflected in the conflicts in the physical world as well as the violence in our storm patterns.  

What is the point of having revolution if it is the same old "us" that is there after it is over?  

There is much in the our society, government, businesses and lifestyles that is truly vile.  Some of it is relatively harmless.  But some of it has had terrible effects on our character and our families.  

I work with teenagers.  I am both stunned by how good so many of them are and also appalled at some of the others.  This generation doesn't seem to have too many in-between kids.  It is like watching them split into two camps - those who will be wonderful adults and those who we will all cross the street to avoid.  Not too many fence sitters in this new generation.  The school I am in is a microcosim of the city I am in - truly reflective of the broader population.  

On the plus side, the ignorant-and-vile-and-proud-of-it segment of this young group is relatively small compared to the whole group.  But they are nasty and hateful towards just about everyone and those in the larger group.  The only thing that seems to confuse them is when the kids in the larger, more self-aware group reaches out to them without criticism or anger.  

And that larger group - what a great bunch they are.  They will change the world as they appear to me to be much more self-aware and conscious of the world than previous generations. They may not have aquired all the knowledge they need yet, but there is a search for wisdom I have never seen before.   They don't seem to be so interested in the typical, superficial teenage stuff.  They are intense and seem to have an inner hunger for something that is undefinable.

This is the generation to watch as they grow into adulthood.  Unlike my own generation of baby-boomers, this group doesn't make a lot of noise about their idealism or search for a better value system.  My generation had the idealism but not the follow-thru.  This generation is more subtle but also more determined to create a better future than what they see around them.  

So, hold off on the revolution.  Given the chance, I believe this is the generation that will evolve this country into a value system that represents the best in all of us.  It has crossed my mind that these are the first of the Indigo children that I am seeing turning 17 and 18.  If that is so, about 20 years from now when they begin to move into positions of power and influence, the American and the world's scenario will change for the better.  

I am so proud to be their teacher and this is the generation I have waited my whole career to teach.  Their lives have touched mine in such a deep way that it makes me a far better teacher than I have been in a long, long time.  

And for those of you who have teenagers, please do nurture that intense search for something deeper and better.  Oddly enough, it isn't really about money.  Oh, sure, they are as materialistic as any bunch of teenagers and like all the things they can buy, but they seem to realize that things are only stuff and have no meaning.    They seem to be breaking away from the idea that their things somehow define them.  
Pretty unusual at so tender an age.  

They have given me back my hope for the future.  

[madhatr137]

Back in...I want to say 1998...I was very interested in the Nostradamus Prophecies...in any case, for something that pertains to this topic.  That predicted George W. Bush's presidency.  This was, mind you, before I even knew that George H. W. Bush had a son by the same name.  It also went on to say that he would in a second term as president of this nation...  And it also did mention a large scale world war against the Middle East.     I wish could recall the author of that interpretation of Nostradamus' Predictions...but unfortunately I don't.

[Berserk_Exodus]

In response to Jenadots, that is all true.  It's not another militaristic revolutionary power that will win the day and make things better.  It takes a social revolution of sorts.  The counter-culture had some noble goals (some quite un-noble) but failed to make the movement coherent and was crushed and then absorbed into modern society.  I simply can't take this culture any more, perhaps I'm insane, who knows.

What else to aim for but change?  (We're probably going to invade Iran soon based on the current events.)  Most people can't see through what they are supporting.  I think there are more than you think like me, losing the political faith.  I'll admit that I may be quite immature and you can just blow me off considering I'm a 15 year old pup, but the future of this country is looking very grim after the power-grab and the resource eating of the 50's onward.  

All I want is to be free, I suppose that may be the psychological need for separation at this time of my life, teenage angst if you will.  I'm just sick of so many people I talk to which blindly follow whatever the propaganda machine tells them.  After WWII the indoctrination efforts turned to marketing, beating into people to buy things and consume and support the economy.  

Think about how homogenizing television if the majority of 500 million people watch that box five hours a day, with a limited selection of channels.  It is my belief that the Internet is the radical new variable in this social equation.  Instead of being forced to click through channels the scope of opinions is much, much wider and public opinion is TOTALLY free.  

I am not looking forward to the prospect of becoming a nine to five middle class worker for the rest of my life with a happy family and 100,000 dollar house.

[Jenadots]

BeserkExodus,  don't go beserk and don't do an exodus.  You are the very generation I was speaking of.  

Yes, you are in the thick of teenage angst which does pass.  But life always has its angst filled moments tho most of the time it is never as intense as when you are a teenager.  

So find and seek out the others of your age group that are really self aware and seeking that indefinable something.  You have a lot more choices than a 9 to 5 boring job.  Just enjoy being 15 for now and think about that later.  Figure out who you are before trying to figure out what it is that you want to do for a living.  More importantly, before you figure out what to do with your life outside of working.  

I agree TV is dulling and filled with propaganda and all sorts of people telling us what we are supposed to think about something.   And I watch it just like everyone else.  The trick is not to let it influence you before you have your own thoughts about something.  Use it as a tool for information and viewpoints, nothing more.  

The future is not as grim as many of the commentators would have us all beleive.  

And also consider that Presidents come and go.  That is the wisdom of our system.  No one gets to be President for a lifetime.  And there are always wars going on somewhere.  

I don't think Bush will invade Iran unless Iran does something really outrageous.  Most likely he and the all too gullible Europeans will just let the Israeli's who are the most threatened by Iran to blow up their nuclear installations - the ones they say don't exist and are just to generate electricity.  

And madhatter, Nostrodamus prophecies haven't exactly been 100%.  As cryptic as they are and so open to interpretation, you can make them fit almost any similiar scenarios from his lifetime to the present.  

Whatever will happen in Bush's second term and the Middle East would probably have happened anyway.  Kerry would have had to deal with the same issues and events.  

I do hope he lives out his term in spite of the predictions of disaster for him and the county.   Like him or not, a death in office is never a good thing or an easy transition.

In any case, you will find your place in this culture and join the rest of your generation in making it your own.

[madhatr137]

Jenadots,

"And madhatter, Nostrodamus prophecies haven't exactly been 100%. As cryptic as they are and so open to interpretation, you can make them fit almost any similiar scenarios from his lifetime to the present."

Oh yeah, I agree totally...I just always found it odd that I read a book that was an interpretation of Nostradamus' prophecies that later came to be true...the book very blatantly took what Nostradamus wrote, and applied it to modern politics.  The particular part that blew me away, even years after reading it, in fact the fact that I had read it didn't don on me  until just 2 years ago.... is that durring the Clinton Administration I read this book that said that the son of George H. W. Bush would become the president of the United States for more than a single term AND that he would wage a large war....and now almost 7 years after reading the interpretation, George W. Bush is president, going into his second term, and we're embroiled in a very large war in the Middle East that, quite frankly, isn't going to be going away anytime soon...with talk of repealing the term limitations for presidents...the times are pretty strange...  

As far as the future of the Middle East, and the world., check out The Project for the New American Century...its a Washington DC thinktank that has existed since the early 90s...and its members include Jeb Bush, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld, among many others....its polities are essentially the Bush Administration's foreign policies, and it will give you a pretty good idea of where that policy is headed with the NeoCons at the helm...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

No joke, this isn't a conspiracy page, its the actual thinktank's page.  They're also known as PNAC.

[no_leaf_clover]

Edit: I'm an absent minded idiot :DDD  This was supposed to be in response to a post made on the first page of this post. I must've been reading the first page and didn't realize there were 3 others after it. My mistake



Not agreeing with government is the whole reason the US exists today anyway. We've also had a civil war already, too, btw. People in the military risking their lives to 'help others' isn't really an excuse for the government to suck. In fact, that's the whole reason people are over there risking their lives in the first place.

Anybody see Rumsfield in Iraq taking questions from the soldiers? Horrible idea. Showed how much he really knew about what was going on in Iraq. Sounded like some of the soldiers over there were getting a bit fed up too.

[Jenadots]

At least they were free to speak their minds and didn't get shot for doing so.  That doesn't happen everywhere.  

So typically American, hanging out the dirty linen for all to see.  

Ain't it grand!