Mediating an Arch Angel.

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

I normally keep out of the Communications threads but one Q&A kinda bothered me..

quote:SD: is homosexuality a barrier to becoming spiritual?
M: This is difficult to answer in human view. Yes and no. If you think of homosexuality in terms of humankind as one going through what might be called a "phase" then no, it is not. On a personal level you are screwing your base chakra's up a lot by doing this. It will not completely inhibit spirituality, but it will slow it down quite a bit. Some people experience this urge because they held onto something from thier past lives somehow, and this is a bad thing in these cases.

I don't think a angel would say anyone was screwing up their chakra.  We are whom we are suppose to be, be it gay or not.  Having a certain sexual preference has nothing to do with ones chakra, now maybe they drink or do drugs..THAT can mess with your chakra's but not being gay.  

We come here to learn lesson's and grow from them, so if someone reincarnates and happens to be gay it will have no bearing what so ever on their spirituality, they will learn or at least hope they would learn those lessons.  

Perhaps one of their lesson's was to learn better understand of narrow minded people and to forgive them.  Being gay, could you imagine how hard that would be, seeings how people are still treating gay people as if they have the plague, and their some kind of sexual preditors looking for kids to play with.  What a horrible thing to take on to ones shoulders, a very tough lesson to have to go through day in and day out.

Just for one minute sit back and put yourself in their position, could you take up the challenge, with so much negativity directed towards you?  And now you have a Archangel no less telling them being gay slows down their spirituality...*shakes head*  very sad..very sad indeed.

Nay

I agree with Nay here that this "Michael" seems not to know much about Chakras. So does anal sex between heterosexuals mess up the base chakra too? Or what about ordinary straight sex where base chakras are still involved? ArchAngel Michael seems to have an unconscious bias against gays. And btw, not all gays are men so what about lesbians, are they screwing up their base chakras too?

[LordoftheBunnies]

quote:Some people experience this urge because they held onto something from thier past lives somehow, and this is a bad thing in these cases.

This answer left me feeling a bit confused as well.  I know that we aren't always the same sex every life time, did you mean that people may have so much desire for the opposite sex that they have trouble letting go when they reincarnate again?

[Circe]

I don't consider Kundalini raising a form of spirituality. You're "spirit" is the person you are, not how well you AP or any other form of psychic ability (Lower negs can do all that stuff...hardly spiritually advanced). And when will people learn that life difficulties are challenges to help you grow, not a reflection of your soul (hindered does not mean "stopped" or "death").

So what now? Are people born with disfigurements or mental impairments less loved by God or evil and that's why they were born that way? Is everything difficult a bad thing or impossible to overcome?

Instead of jumping to conclusions, how about improving the communication...on both sides.

[LordoftheBunnies]

Some more questions for Michael which might help clarify this:

Can heterosexual physical sex also be a hindrance to spiritual development (at least one some level)?  Is it also a phase of evolution that humankind will eventually move beyond (I've read some theosophical and gnostic sources which suggest this).

[SpectralDragon]

I am wondering if people are coming to this thread with open minds or if they are just coming here with thier opinions already made. Here is what I mean:

quote:M: This is difficult to answer in human view. Yes and no. If you think of homosexuality in terms of humankind as one going through what might be called a "phase" then no, it is not. On a personal level you are screwing your base chakra's up a lot by doing this. It will not completely inhibit spirituality, but it will slow it down quite a bit. Some people experience this urge because they held onto something from thier past lives somehow, and this is a bad thing in these cases.

Note the first sentence, then the second sentence. Then keep in mind that since this is a diety with a conscious he is NOT GOING TO SIMPLY SAY THINGS TO PLEASE YOUR EARS. Also, this suposed archangel (and yes I said suposed because you are supposed to question these things when it is a mediation) would have more knowledge of such things than you, so is it him who does not know the correct thing, or YOU?

This is in no means a post to bash on people, all I am saying is think before you speak, LISTEN, TRY TO UNDERSTAND, AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND. You might be surprised. I always say everything is right until proven wrong. For example, THIS is what I got out of that message:

this will not break you spiritually, but it's generally not a good idea.

That's how I interpret it.

ONE LAST THING. Micheal was very cautious when showing me what he thought of this. Keep that in mind when pondering this.

[chunkofquartz]

My follow up questions about that are non-emotional, I am simply seeking information.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by chunkofquartz


My follow up questions about that are non-emotional, I am simply seeking information.

Good, though emotions can be used, just keep an open mind.

One thing I would like to add, he surprised ME AS WELL. Geez even my best friend is doubting me again, this kind of thing on this forum has to stop.

[Nay]

I DID LISTEN! Sheesh..no need to yell at us.[]

We had a misunderstanding at one time, but it does not mean I'm going to now take everything you say as the truth.  What "Michael" said did not ring true to me... at all, period and it still doesn't.  

For one, something so close to God (Michael) would not state something so obviously one sided.  To blame someone because of their preference, to as what is slowing them down is...caca.[]

You might what to take a moment to figure out if you really are speaking with Michael...  In my opinion, speaking with such a strong being is impossible, they're are just too much for us to take in.  

Nay

EDIT: Just now saw your last post.  Why is it, everytime comes on this site and people questioned something, they yell.."this has got to stop"  Why can't you stop and listen to what people are saying and think for a minute that you may not be communicating with whom you think you are.  I'm not saying you aren't communicating with some thing.  It just doesn't feel right to me, and believe me I have learned to trust my instincts.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

I DID LISTEN! Sheesh..no need to yell at us.[]

We had a misunderstanding at one time, but it does not mean I'm going to now take everything you say as the truth.  What "Michael" said did not ring true to me... at all, period and it still doesn't.  

For one, something so close to God (Michael) would not state something so obviously one sided.  To blame someone because of their preference, to as what is slowing them down is...caca.[]

You might what to take a moment to figure out if you really are speaking with Michael...  In my opinion, speaking with such a strong being is impossible, they're are just too much for us to take in.  

Nay

I wasn't talking about you . I have an idea why you are saying what you are.

And about the being actually being micheal....that's why I asked people to question it, you can never fully trust a mediation, I have said that SOOO many times now.

If this topic is racking people's nerves I will be forced to stop, especially since this is getting into a soft subject.

[chill]

quote:ONE LAST THING. Micheal was very cautious when showing me what he thought of this. Keep that in mind when pondering this.

You mean that YOU were very cautious in expressing those views ?

[]

Sounds like arrogance to me when you use phrases in capital letters such as 'KEEP AN OPEN MIND" (almost in the same breath as saying 'QUESTION'...) and 'HIS GOAL IS NOT TO PLEASE YOUR EARS' (or or something similar).

The truth can be unpleasant to hear, true. But here it's something else. It sounds too much like.. a human being speaking.

I agree with Nay.

[chunkofquartz]

I get annoyed when threads die because they touch on something that's actually important to someone.

Things would be much better if people would just ask questions and not complain when the answers aren't what they want.

[LordoftheBunnies]

quote:Geez even my best friend is doubting me again, this kind of thing on this forum has to stop.

Just to avoid any misunderstanding, SD is refering to me here.  I didn't particularily agree with Michaels answer either, although I don't want to make a definite statement either way.

quote:For one, something so close to God (Michael) would not state something so obviously one sided. To blame someone because of their preference, to as what is slowing them down is...caca.

quote:M: This is difficult to answer in human view. Yes and no. If you think of homosexuality in terms of humankind as one going through what might be called a "phase" then no, it is not. On a personal level you are screwing your base chakra's up a lot by doing this. It will not completely inhibit spirituality, but it will slow it down quite a bit. Some people experience this urge because they held onto something from thier past lives somehow, and this is a bad thing in these cases.

It doesn't seem to me that Michael is making a one sided statement.  One thing that should be taken into consideration, is that what Michael mentioned about homosexuality and base chakras goes against the opinions of probably 99% of the people on this site.  If he was trying to manipulate us, I doubt he would say something that would turn the majority of us off.  Also, as one who prefers to play the role of mediator, I've noticed that debates over "moral" issues such as this tend to become very one sided.  I.e. either you agree think abortion is wrong or you don't, either you think being homosexual is wrong or you don't, you either believe that we evolved or were created and can't take a middle view.  I believe that part of what Michael is saying is that the answer is not so clear cut as we would like to think and depends on many factors which can vary according to the individual.  So, the answer is both yes and no.

BTW SD, I don't think you should drop this thread, and if you do, ask Michael to make some sort of final comment about showing tolerance inspite of the different morals or paths we may take.  

[SpectralDragon]

Maybe I did come off seeming too harsh, and I am sorry for that. the reason I put things in caps was to emphasize it, not try and bash people in the head.

I need to stray from this for a bit, please give me one week intervals between these guys, I know that's long but it's necessary for me.

I need to focus on the other thing in the forums I am doing for people anyway.

[chunkofquartz]

Thanks SD for your time and your effort sharing your abilities with us.

[chunkofquartz]

I would like to point out to people that Micheal didn't take an easy way out, that adds credibility. I mean, the answer given probably wouldn't make anyone happy whether they're 'for' or 'against'

I wouldn't have asked if I wasn't prepared for any answer, I wish the rest of the people were the same way. What I want to do is collect information about this and make my own decision.

When people complain and make SD uncomfortable all they do is make it so I can't get information. Please don't complain about things.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by LordoftheBunnies

quote:I don't think a angel would say anyone was screwing up their chakra. We are whom we are suppose to be, be it gay or not. Having a certain sexual preference has nothing to do with ones chakra, now maybe they drink or do drugs..THAT can mess with your chakra's but not being gay.

I don't think Michael is so much saying that a homosexual couple can't have a loving spiritual relationship that should be respected by others, but rather that the mixing of same the poles of a magnet can make it difficult to raise the kundalini, i.e. the sexual principles in alchemy.  Not impossible, but a difficulty.  Karma isn't always perfect after all.

Either way, I'm going to ask Spectral to do a mediation again tonight so Michael can clarify some of things he said, Spectral was actually sort of surprised at Michaels answer on this as well.

EXACTLY my thought. Nothing wrong with homosexuality in itself. But if the relationship you are in is double masculine/feminine, it screws up the polarities. I also think that the Base chakra thing could be related to this issue. Not sure though. Think of 2 magnets,
place 2x + poles near to each other and keep them there, they keep exerting a away-pushing force on each other.

Also the increased number of homosexuals could probably be directly related to the excess amount of human beings on Earth. One of natures many ways to reduce the amount of humans here.

Summasummarum:

Everyone has 'designed' their own life path even before the physical life, so if you are homosexual and have always been, it doesn't mean anything negative. Besides the soul is without gender in the end, or actually it is both feminine and masculine. There are also persons who THINK they are a homosexuals but actually just keep your true self locked within due to some 'traumatizing' or other experience.
Can think of many many different scenarios that could lead to this.

Then there is the majority that just isn't interested in the opposite gender in their life. I do NOT think of it to be a hindrance whatsoever and neither any kind of psychological disease. It is their life, their own destiny and path.

Then one other thing. Michael himself has _NOT_ written the post nor the answers, SD has done it. Which means that the message goes like this: Michael -> SD's Filters (sub-consciousness & belief system) -> SD's consciousness -> keyboard. So it is pretty evident that any input gets affected by the filters.

I must still thank SD very much for all this, because I found that part of Michael in myself []

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by LordoftheBunnies

quote:Some people experience this urge because they held onto something from thier past lives somehow, and this is a bad thing in these cases.

This answer left me feeling a bit confused as well.  I know that we aren't always the same sex every life time, did you mean that people may have so much desire for the opposite sex that they have trouble letting go when they reincarnate again?

Actually I've had that. Been a female last life. Had strong emotions as a child about this. This is also probably one of the reasons why I COULD be a bisexual if I wanted it. A bit hard to put to words right now.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by LordoftheBunnies

Some more questions for Michael which might help clarify this:

Can heterosexual physical sex also be a hindrance to spiritual development (at least one some level)?  Is it also a phase of evolution that humankind will eventually move beyond (I've read some theosophical and gnostic sources which suggest this).

Haha, JUST LOOK AT THE PORNOGRAPHIC INDUSTRY!!!!!

Argh, you should already know the answer to the question []

[Andromache]

That was excellent thinking Lordofthebunnies:

Chill: The point of SD pretending to be Michael would be what?

Debates contain premises, premises are composed of a subject and predicate...I've sifted through the stuff you've written in the past and all I see are adjectives, which is not an argument, more like ignorant.

I'm not saying you can't object or be sceptical, actually I would encourage it. But there is a fine line between being a sceptic and being a sourpuss, immature, cynic. Poisoning the well is not a legitimate argument and it's not a show of intelligence, but it is arrogant (how did everything else around you become so stupid and you the only source of brilliance? There is not greater intelligence or experience than you?).

One more thing, you can't prove a negative. You can only prove a positive or fail to prove a positive.

[Taalnar]

Hi Spectral,

I have some more questions, but you can take your time.

I hope this doesn't turn into another Zeta thread.  Questions will always be bound to come up.  The sexuality part would no doubt stir a lot of emotions, this is no surprise.  I was thinking of the male/female polarity thingy of kundalini as well, but I'm not really sure.

Since it is a hot topic perhaps you may either like to ask micheal to elaborate or don't touch it.  Depends on how you feel, but its definitely a hot topic. []

Now for my question.

1) I'm wondering about prime number theory.  Is there any mathematical formula for prime numbers?  If yes, is there any hint you could give to solve it?  You don't actually have to give it away, but if you did it would certainly dispel any doubts that Spectral is channeling someone. []

Thanks. [)]

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by Taalnar

Hi Spectral,

I have some more questions, but you can take your time.

I hope this doesn't turn into another Zeta thread.  Questions will always be bound to come up.  The sexuality part would no doubt stir a lot of emotions, this is no surprise.  I was thinking of the male/female polarity thingy of kundalini as well, but I'm not really sure.

Since it is a hot topic perhaps you may either like to ask micheal to elaborate or don't touch it.  Depends on how you feel, but its definitely a hot topic. []

Now for my question.

1) I'm wondering about prime number theory.  Is there any mathematical formula for prime numbers?  If yes, is there any hint you could give to solve it?  You don't actually have to give it away, but if you did it would certainly dispel any doubts that Spectral is channeling someone. []

Thanks. [)]

Yes there is a formula that gives prime numbers, but it only gives SOME of the prime numbers and not ALL in between. But it still gives prime numbers []

[Taalnar]

quote:Originally posted by Mystic Cloud
Yes there is a formula that gives prime numbers, but it only gives SOME of the prime numbers and not ALL in between. But it still gives prime numbers []

It isn't "2^K -1 where K is any integer" is it?  That gives some primes, but not always.  Anyway, I have tried using discrete maths and stuff to try to get a formula but I'm not having much luck.  If you do discover a formula that gives 100% prime numbers, there is a $1,000,000 prize. There are other math problems with the same amount of prize money but the prime numbers interests me the most, hence the question.

[SpectralDragon]

Thanks for the support guys, but I was being a little rude back there, and I apoligize for that.

I have a favor to ask guys, can you # the questions so I can find them easier later?

And McArthur, I am going to go through the whole thing, find you Q's, and post what his answers were. This might take me a while, sorry about that.

[SpectralDragon]

I will mediate only once a week on every saturday from now on.

[Sam]

Interesting thread SD.

My thoughts are on the homosexuality issue.  I don't think anyone is qualified to say that they know any better than the next person when it comes to understanding the universe.  So I'm approaching this subject with an open mind.

My previous views on homosexuality have been that it doesn't matter whos screwing who, sex is just sex and too much of it can hinder your spiritual development, so balance must be struck in between having fun and making sure you develop other aspects of your self.

Michael maybe has a point, but I'm struggling to understand his perspective since we haven't heard any clarification on it.  Maybe the sexes represent seperate poles and trying to force two like poles together weakens them.  Could michael be seeing gender in terms of ones spiritual orientation, rather than their physical sex?  That might explain how two men or two women can have a spiritually fulfilling relationship, sexually or otherwise, because in their spirit they are really opposite "poles".  What michael may be saying, although I have no confirmation of this, is that homosecual relationships, ie the forcing together of two opposite sexes (whether or not they are physically the same sex) is bad for the base chakra due to incompatible energies.

Michael is a higher being, who probably see things in terms of spiritual development than us more physically oriented beings.  Any messages he communicates may lose a little of their substance and meaning as they enter a lower level of awareness.

Not meaning to disparage your abilities SD, but could you have misunderstood or misinterpreted what was said?  I don't doubt you have the abilities to do what you say but you are human.