Non-physical Entities and Internet

[Psan]

Hi
Sounds too far fetched, but is there any possibility of contacting non-physical beings via Internet?
The media though which they(spirits etc) can contact include -
1. Human mediums.
2. Simple objects (pendulum/boards/sticks, but a form of channeling)
3. Radio waves
4. Telephone
5. TV
6. Computer

Very impressive list indeed. (for examples of these communications please visit http://www.worlditc.com )
So did they got their hands on a www or smtp/pop server yet?
I heard a few stories about people getting anomalous mails. But I get 20 such mails daily and they go staright to the junk-mail folder without my knowing
Are there any serious examples of a contact through Internet? Thanks

[CaCoDeMoN]

It is probably impossible, net protocols are very complicated. I think that a being that could do such think, would just communicate in a vision.

[Psan]

Visions...hmm
Only a handful of guys in this world know how to detect them or even interpret them.

Once they succeed in putting some text files in the comp (which they did, as reports say), it should be easy to mail it across or make a post in a forum.
After all clicking the mouse a few times (by supernatural means, they dont need to know the protocols ) should not be harder than manipulating the hard disk directly.
Or once they could call someone on phone and speak to  him through voice, data should be a simple matter.

[CaCoDeMoN]

What reports?

[Psan]

Some examples :

http://www.worlditc.org/c_04_s_bridge_25.htm
http://www.worlditc.org/c_07_senki_b_09.6.htm
http://www.worlditc.org/c_04_s_bridge_23.htm
http://www.worlditc.org/c_04_s_bridge_24.htm

These are all actual scientists and the messages are straightforward and meaningful (unlike the nonsense that you see here on this forum)

[CaCoDeMoN]

Hmmm... This is interesting. If such thing is possible, then if spirit would have enough knownledge about computer, it could communicate easily with living people. In currently used computers modification of hard drive data would be extremely hard, because all checksums must match. Without matching checksums the transmission would not be readable, and would only cause read errors.

[Psan]

You are right, if they did this its remarkable.
Although they dont clearly tell what s/w was there or how they got the text.

There must be a good number of dead computer engineers there. But may be not enough to do something useful. We need more of them  

Perhaps its not that the tech is not there, but interfacing with physical is difficult.

[CaCoDeMoN]

You are right, if they did this its remarkable.
Although they dont clearly tell what s/w was there or how they got the text.

There must be a good number of dead computer engineers there. But may be not enough to do something useful. We need more of them

Perhaps its not that the tech is not there, but interfacing with physical is difficult.

Software? Only BIOS was needed. The computer was probably some kind of Commodore, and it had operating system and programming language stored inside BIOS permamently.

[Psan]

Ok , must be one of those old comps, I dont know much about them.

[Eric g]

Maybe the ghost are operating the computer on a total different level than we do.... so no input device is needed for them but some kind of manipulation of energy will do the trick

[Psan]

Eric,
Its anybody's guess actually.
So let me tell you whats my guess -
1. They did some energy manipulation of the keyboard (sort of short circuiting the keys with energy) and entered the text letter by letter.
2. They hooked their non-physical keyboard into the PC and typed it out using their non-physical tech.
3. They set the bits in memory, bit by bit, by manipulating it electrically (very difficult)
4. They etched whole file on the hd/fd using magnetic manipulation (very difficult, because of file structures etc)
5. They managed to connect to the PC via com port or something to their own non-physical equipment through some kind of astral-physical interface and transmitted the whole text.

The last one is most probable and if you see the text, there are no spaces, new lines and punctuations, which means they tried to be efficient and passed their data through some coding system.
Emphasis on efficiency, compression and coding are characteristics of any electronic communication system, which surely indicates possibility #5.

I'm also attempting such communication.

[-lines-]

It'd seem to me that if I needed to transfer a message to a hard drive without using the input devices in a conventional sense, I'd short the keys. It's simple, quick, and you don't have to know squat about the inner workings of computers or the COM ports and such. It'd save time not to use the spacebar after each word too. Course, they could've just culled what they were trying to say, but it may be that it was already culled and that all the words were important.

[Psan]

Yes, thats one of the possibilities. The omission of extra characters suggests a 'spritual sms'
The implication is very important, if this is the case, not only they could sense the keyboard, the exact positions of the keys but also affected it electrically.

The questions is that if they can do this much, why cant they do it often? Or on a permanent basis?
Suppose I keep this page open, it would be a simple matter for that spiritual being to type it out and press the submit button.

[-lines-]

But what would make interfacing with a COM port and attempting to communicate in an unnatural and unknown way of sending the signal so that they somehow manage to form letters once received by the processor. I wouldn't even want to attempt this myself, with no prior knowlege of how the ports work to produce characters if you somehow manage to get past the interface part. It seems unneccessarily complicated when using a keyboard marked with letters would seem more natural. You'd need to affect the electrical signals to manipulate a COM port anyways, so why start from scratch with no knowlege when you could use what is plainly availible for use already?

[Psan]

Thats right, they would take the easy way.
Also, I'm not sure if those old pcs had a com port even.
Even if it had, it takes +/- 5 volts to send a Bit, which is a bit large voltage for spirits to manage.

However the guys on the other side were scientists and an engineer themselves, so they had the knowledge, otherwise they would not have attempted. It becomes a pain soon when you want to communicate an entire book, so possiblity of an interface remains.

The question is still there anyway. Why there was no progress on the other side after they achieved this ? Its unfortunate.

[CaCoDeMoN]

In these times magnetical manipulation of the tapes(the computers probably didn't have hard drives then) was the easiest method. No checksums, extremely simple file structure, large spaces between bits...

[CaCoDeMoN]

Thats right, they would take the easy way.
Also, I'm not sure if those old pcs had a com port even.
Even if it had, it takes +/- 5 volts to send a Bit, which is a bit large voltage for spirits to manage.

My Commodore 128 computer has got serial port, but I am not sure if it is 5V, maybe 12 V, and it is not possible to manipulate data on computer using it without some kind of external program.

[Psan]

You've got a commodore. Thats cool stuff
May be you can declare this to spirits, and get some messages across.
You are correct about the tapes. Perhaps the rising complexity and sophistication of computers prevented further communication. As always - the other side of the coin is there.

[Kazbadan]

Its stupid if you dont believe in comunicating spirits on the internet....

you are speaking to one now

ahahahah!!

now, really: who spoke on commodore? If feel nostalgic about that...my couse had one.

[Milamber]

I think it is possible for non-physical entities to communicate via the internet/email etc...
Depends on what you believe. Do you just believe in ghosts, not angels (or higher beings than us that watch and take care of parts of this galaxy and universe)?
I do believe in a higher order of beings. I believe I have had contact with one at a point in my life. If there are such beings, and they sometimes interfere in human life for whatever reason, do you think they have NO KNOWLEDGE of the internet? The internet has become huge. 'Angels' take care of the universe, they know stuff, why wouldnt they know about communications like emails and websites? They can know if you are about to get hit by a car (and if it is within their agenda) and prevent it, but they cannot read your email??? Come on! If you are going to believe in the supernatural at all, might as well integrate possibilities that fall into the same lines of logic given past experiences with these types of beings. The old 'stick a tape in a graveyard and record ghosts' is kind of lame, sure it could happen, but do we have to limit ghosts and angels/demons to video/audio tapes? How many posts on these forums are from people you do not know, hmmmmmmm, could it be...an angel?
If an angel can speak to you on the street, and you think they are just a regular person, then they can ALSO send you an email perhaps, even host a website, if it is within the design and whatever complicated balance they are trying to maintain.

[-lines-]

In these times magnetical manipulation of the tapes(the computers probably didn't have hard drives then) was the easiest method. No checksums, extremely simple file structure, large spaces between bits...

So you'd rather try manually entering data, figuring out which sequence makes which characters, instead of using the keyboard in the same fashion? Simplicity rules.

[CaCoDeMoN]

So you'd rather try manually entering data, figuring out which sequence makes which characters, instead of using the keyboard in the same fashion? Simplicity rules.

Not I. Some kind of spirit could do it.

[-lines-]

... You didn't get it. If you would rather enter it with a keyboard, a spirit would try to do it the same way. If it already would need to mess with magnetic feilds or electrical pulses, wouldn't it try to deal with it using a keyboard for an interface rather than trying in vain to monkey around with the surface of a disk or a serial port?

[redcatherine]

Photos can capture images of Ghosts
You may have seen photos which captured ghosts . There are sites you could google on the net claiming to have ghost photos . These photos
are not capable of being scientifically accepted of course . Most humans are unaware and can not see the spirit in a room . Images captured on a photo do not necessarily help them see better . Someimes it is just a light off the lens and there is no spirit there at all . I would like to see photos catch the spirit energy so that anyone could see it and we could demonstrate it to be genuine and replicable, not faked

Mediums do not always sense all spirits present neither does media
When two clairvoyants read a sitter at the same time there may be 5 different spirt there ; a b c d and e . One clairvoyant will see only a,b, and c and the other one may see c and d while neither may see spirit e. Seeing clairvoyantly is not the same as the physical sight . We have to change our receivers like tuning up or down on a radio tuner to be able to get the wave .

Some entities are not as capable of being seen as they dint transmit well . Others choose anonymity . Spirt has to learn to send better to be seen . Just being dead doesn't mean you will suddenly be able to talk to the live .

The medium has to learn to receive better and may find some entities not in the range they can see yet. It is harder to see an archangel than it is to see a spirit grandmother .  So just because spirit is there it doesn't mean they will be captured on any media either .

Failure to capture intelligible messages  on audio tape We have tried  to capture what we hear in circle on tape . It comes out like garbled white noise on tape . It is so bad that we stopped taping . I was taping sessions just to read back what each member gave off aloud to record it in our journals . But the interference from spirit was too much and it distorted the tapes so that i could not hear our own voices clearly and i gave up trying to record our sessions altogether . We never heard clear spirit messages on any of these tapes though . I would love to hear ones that could be validated and proven not to be faked I think the previews of the film White Noise are very interesting . I remain skeptical .

Enitities are energy and can transmit or receive online
Now non physical entities are ENERGY and all energy is part of the Electro Magnetic Radiation Spectrum . We can certainly expect then that energy will send and receive over normal emr transmissions conduits . But can we capture it  yet and replay it so that all can hear it ? No I don't think so ....not yet .I think that just as some can see and hear spirit most can not yet . And the capturing at this point in technology has not seemed to amplify the transmission in a way that allows for the non clairvoyant to see or hear it . I look with interest and skeptical speculation at the transmissions that others say are replicable.

Mediums have trouble with some media and preferences for others.It is interesting that some conduits of EMR assist readers and others do not . John Edward laments that he cannot read well over the TV . He reads well live but if he looks at that recording later of the TV episode he finds is hard to read the sitter . He really enjoyed accurate readings over his radio show and prefers that media. My mum used to read over the phone . I don't do this well . Many of my medium mates read over the phone too . Bill V. can project his consciousness over the phone and tell me who is walking by me in my room ...where a child is.... where a pet is . Bill can RTZ here through the phone lines . Bill can not read over the net at all . Jodi does not like to read over the net either . She finds it very difficult and draining . But I don't read well over the phone .

Are there any serious examples of a contact through Internet? Thanks [/

Internet is an effective conduit of non physical entities I prefer the internet . I have read well online there in chat . The internet does allow transmission of energy . We can heal over the net it makes a great conduit . We can send emotions over the net ...try this yourself in a live chat without words . Sit and feel the person you chat with . We can send our auric energy over the net so that others can read it as a medium and sense what entities are with the sitter at the time . We can project by following a trace of the energy over the net . So if someone is chatting to you and you make a bond with them , you can then follow this link to thier home and see in RTZ. It is possible to get a good reading over the internet . A medium can read photos posted on the net or read the energy of the sitter on live chat for exp ample . One can heal send emotions and all sorts of energy even tantric sex over the net .But I think most folks in the adult chat room already know that .  One can cleanse or exorcise over the net and drain over the net .

Going into a crowd is just as risky as the net so don't  get paranoid and cut your connection . LOL :)Just be aware and practice safely .
You can also be drained in public or get a neg attachment at a pub .Some people drain us without even knowing it . Some effuse energy and others are sinkers and being around them on the net is no different than being around them in the physical they can make you feel down sad and low . One can link and attach over the net and you may not wish the attachment cord to be there . Some people are energy vampires and do this on purpose . You can't avoid contact with them at the supermarket either but you can learn psychic defense .So do protect your computers with white light and prayers . The internet  is a very capable conduit of non physical energy .

[Milamber]

Yes it is possible for all that stuff, on the Net. Let me ask you this. Are we talking about just spirits, or just human-spiritual attachment cords, just stuff like that? Do you believe in angels, gods, and goddesses? Surely they would be very effective at using the internet. A wave of their "hand" and a whole email could be written...