What if there where a lower dimesion than this one ?

[Psan]

In continuation to above post, coming back to the question of dimensions..
Again, the term dimension was borrowed from mathematics, where it is used to define the degree of freedom of the quantities being expressed. So a circle is 2D because the equations have a power of 2 in them (x^2+y^2=r^2), and a sphere is 3D because a power of 3 describes it.
The 3D equations corresponds well with the real world, so we call our world as 3D world. Obviously there is no such thing as a 2D or 1D world in reality, if you follow the correct definition of 'dimension'. Even an equation having 100D would only describe something of a real world, and not something of spiritual.
The new-age-ish interpretation of 'dimension' is totally different. Here a dimension corresponds to 'spiritual plane', and just because there are numbers below 3, would not guarantee a plane below the physical plane.
Anyhow, the physical is wrongly called a 3D, its actually 'the first plane', which happens to contain 3D objects perceived during our daily lives. Of course now we know that physical plane is also not strictly 3D, but multidimensional.

But, the possibility of planes 'below' physical remains open, as there are no rules of this game, no proofs, no equations. If you want one create one.... as simple as that

Generally speaking, more evolved a soul is, more planes it can perceive. And, given the fact that we are not aware of any planes below the physical, we are least evolved ones, and are on the lowest plane possible. That means we are just starting the evolution and we are a form of most primitive kind of soul.
You can compare ourselves with a single celled organism at the start of life on this planet.

[kenshinhan604]

What if there where a lower dimesion than this one ?

than we have a problem

if a gate way is open between us and them then we will be invaded


   

[Julius]

There are lower plans, ones in which time changes the flow of a vibration.  It's a place in which changing physical location and Physical body's is possible.  It is the next step of evolution, conceptualizing on the world beyond, above and below.  We are souls, but live because the soul itself cannot separate itself form "energy" the binds of its existence.  We live to uncover that link, we must know self as self and make in image of that for the soul to keep and separate essence form the universal. Our conceptions of the world are so small, and pathetic. One must turn to feelings of the soul and trust in them to make the body a use full tool in separation.  One place that we have explored in depth is the astral, above us at a higher vibration.  The lower vibrations are actually distorted vibrations by time itself, and can only be entered by someone that has separated themselves form the oneness.  It is easily seen in memories, that everything is preserved in a specific time and place by our brain, but what does that instant in time represent to our soul?  Nothing more then action, movement, our soul watches. Forget what you have read and learned and just look. You'll see that "3D" and Time are but one thing and that Time itself is an object that can be manipulated, changing vibration to a lower under dimension that leads back and away.

[Sethdood]

I'd just like to say that nothing exists outside of the physical and beyond the reaches of [future] science. It is my belief at least that all these realms percieved as spiritual are just different parts of the one reality, and the difference is the frequency of the vibration.

As we know in music, a note can have an exact same pitch, tone, and note value within the same octive range, and still sound different because of it's timbre, the "flavor" of the note, which is near impossible to describe sometimes. So let us also keep in mind that it may not just be the vibration and frequency of matter and energy which dictates what it is, but it's [equivelent too] timbre, and once that is thrown in, multidimensional theory becomes much more vast in itself.

But to stay on topic, becuase of frequency of vibration it is safe to assume that there are "realms" or "dimensions" lower then the physical. I believe, however, that human travel to them is unlikley. We are evolutionary beings of progression, and the idea that we may lower our vibrational level for some sort of gain is rediculous. There would be no natural mechansim to "regress" becuase we would have never evolved to have it, becuase we only evolve to have abilities which assist our survival in some way. A baseball team trying to win the world series wouldn't spend time practicing how to suck.

[narfellus]

I'd just like to say that nothing exists outside of the physical and beyond the reaches of [future] science. It is my belief at least that all these realms percieved as spiritual are just different parts of the one reality, and the difference is the frequency of the vibration.

This seems like a little contradiction, Sethdood. You said there's nothing outside the physical, followed by saying that spiritual realms are really manifestions of the One All, or God, or whatever.

But to stay on topic, becuase of frequency of vibration it is safe to assume that there are "realms" or "dimensions" lower then the physical. I believe, however, that human travel to them is unlikley. We are evolutionary beings of progression, and the idea that we may lower our vibrational level for some sort of gain is rediculous. There would be no natural mechansim to "regress" becuase we would have never evolved to have it, becuase we only evolve to have abilities which assist our survival in some way. A baseball team trying to win the world series wouldn't spend time practicing how to suck.

Let me try to explain a little bit from my own understanding of these matters. My opinion of course. The terms higher and lower and faster and slower vibrations can get confusing sometimes, especially considering the illusory nature of physical reality. Meaning that physical life IS physical, but it is not as solid as it looks. On a subatomic level everything is in motion, everything is changing, and everything is born, lives, dies and is born again. All particles have consciousness at the smallest level, the Monads, and everything IS the One All, just at varying degrees of awareness.

The physical level is "lowest" in that it is heavy, with weight and dimension.  There is no level that is "lower" or "heavier" or "more" of an illusion to the perception of our Higher Selves. That said, it is possible for knowledgeable persons to effectively "become" one of their constituent simpler elements, whether Air, Earth, Fire or Water, but this takes place on a spiritual level, not physical.

Interestingly enough, a keen imagination is at the core of all magical practice. It's easy to think that anything "weird' is just all made up hooplah anyway. That's the standard explantion in western society anyway, quickly followed by "it's work of the Devil." Not to say that such archdevils don't exist. Anyway, an interesting follow-up to the importance of imagination is that we and all of existense are effectively the "imagination" of Divine Providence, turned inside-out to experience Himself in a way that makes sense to an Infinite and Incomprehensible Intelligence: by purposefully forgetting what It is (Us) and remembering it all over again for the first time, through us. Which is what many people on these boards enjoy doing, pushing the envelope of reality.

[kenshinhan604]

just wanna say there are dimensions such as the after life where you pass on to the after life
and heaven and hell  

many religions have there beliefs on nthis as wel such as islam and chrtistianity and buddhismm and et al

[Arcaenis]

Are you guys serious? There are alot of them lower then us.

[Arcaenis]

I'm not going to say how you can go there, but you can. I'm sorry, sometimes I have to remember there are alot of people not as skilled or experienced as me.

[Scorpyn]

I always thought this area was more of a step sideways than up/down...

[MontanaHayseed]

The questions is valid.

Theoretically there should be no reason why not:

The physical plane, if it is "vibrating" at all ( would be great if this could be measured somehow, eh?) can not be vibrating at the lowest possible vibration.. there is no "lowest vibration"; there is always one lower....

Could there be a frequency that is lower than 1 cycle per second?  Why, yes: 1 cycle per 10 seconds.. or 100 seconds. or one cycle per gazillion gillion trillion millenia.  Granted, things will happen very (VERY!) slowly, relative to a realm that zinked on and off at 1 CPS (cycle per second), but things would still happen there..

Until we can say precisely, in a thin lipped and thickly bespectacled scientificky type measurable repeatable manner what in tarnation it is that we are (or would hope to be) measuring and how fast it is cycling, though, we really have only a vague clue as to what we might be talking about.

THe Astral plane is not as "grainy" as the physical plane seems to be,  in my (limited) experience.  So that would at least support the notion that the AP has a higher vibration... but what is vibrating and how fast does it go...?  Can these vibrations be registered by any independent thing at all? Anyone that can figure out a way to measure this will be halfway to solving the universe!

MH

[MontanaHayseed]

The questions is valid.

Theoretically there should be no reason why not:

The physical plane, if it is "vibrating" at all ( would be great if this could be measured somehow, eh?) can not be vibrating at the lowest possible vibration.. there is no "lowest vibration"; there is always one lower....

Could there be a frequency that is lower than 1 cycle per second?  Why, yes: 1 cycle per 10 seconds.. or 100 seconds. or one cycle per gazillion gillion trillion millenia.  Granted, things will happen very (VERY!) slowly, relative to a realm that zinked on and off at 1 CPS (cycle per second), but things would still happen there..

Until we can say precisely, in a thin lipped and thickly bespectacled scientificky type measurable repeatable manner what in tarnation it is that we are (or would hope to be) measuring and how fast it is cycling, though, we really have only a vague clue as to what we might be talking about.

THe Astral plane is not as "grainy" as the physical plane seems to be,  in my (limited) experience.  So that would at least support the notion that the AP has a higher vibration... but what is vibrating and how fast does it go...?  Can these vibrations be registered by any independent thing at all? Anyone that can figure out a way to measure this will be halfway to solving the universe!

MH

[Souljah333]

great question...in feed back more than anything else. lots of different opinions...that's always good. franks response was strange, but he's got it all figured out (i wonder what that feels like), a lot of firm believers in science and text books...that's always useful, and a few people with some experience in the lower realms (namely myself & Arcaenis).
THERE ARE LOWER REALMS.
it goes as far in one direction as it does in the other...it goes out in all directions, but no one asked a question about that. thank god.  

as above so below is a sound principle for beings that are only capable of thinking in the liner. it always amazes me when humans try to sum it all up with such grandiose explanations. there is more than we could ever imagine and i for one am comfortable with that.

not that i like of drawing a line between men and women, but it's too bad in a way that it isn't listed in the profiles...becuz i have a feeling that those who are the most open to the possibilities are women, or just really together guys.


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