Telekinesis

[morning_star]

It is called thinking.  It is what students do when they learn things, not when they are shown the answer.  It does not take that much thinking to make obvious correlations. 

[Awakened_Mind]

I'll agree that discovering something for yourself is the best method of learning. Anything learnt is really self-discovery anyway IMO. The problem I'm having here morning_star is I'm not entirely sure understanding what you define as telekinesis. That I cannot discover for myself, I need it clarified for me to understand. I can find information on the PEAR study and the particle experiment independently, you've done well at pointing in that direction. I haven't seen them grouped into telekinetics before. I'm interested in this seemingly broadening definition of telekinetics.

Science can do much about explaining the muscles and motion involved in clenching a fist, but the act of doing so is really an example of telekinesis in itself. Mind effecting matter, if mind and matter are separate that is

-AM

[Sharpe]

AM, no, because you have neurons attached to your arm which signal the muscles in your arm.
With telekenesis there is no connection between you and the object.

[morning_star]

Sharpe must not understand what the data collected from the particle experiments imply. Telekinesis is the mind's influence over physcial matter.  Macro telekinesis is the levitation or visible movement of a relatively large object.  Micro telekinesis is a much smaller scale as depicted in the PEAR experiments.  The question about the existance of telekinesis has been answered.  Whether or not macro telekinesis can be performed by a human depends entirely on the mental strength and the progress they have made toward the truth.  I have accidentally done a few things that have been witnessed by my family.  It is mostly associated with electronic equipment, but I have also propelled objects across the room while looking at them.  Don't ask me to prove it, I cannot replicate what I can't control.  However, this is beside the point.  I am only telling you what I have learned from my experiences. 

[Awakened_Mind]

It really depends whether the dualists or monists are right Sharpe. Whether there is mind and matter or just matter.

-AM

[morning_star]

I think it is safe to say that your presence on this forum indicates a belief in a soul.

[Awakened_Mind]

Not necessarily. Some are here to argue the materialist perspective. Sharpe tends to give that impression. I like it. Both sides of the argument need to be recognised and understood.

-AM

[Sharpe]

Morningstar, I believe that your experience of telekenesis is a lie.
So, I do not have to take anything you say as a fact.

Because I know for myself that there is no "mind" classicly interpreted like in this thread, I believe that telekenesis would be useless for evolutionairy progression.
For this FACT, it would eliminate any sign of telenesis existing.
Because we have arms and legs.
Telekenesis wouldn't only be useless, it would destroy the evolution system we are in.
Having telekenesis abilities allows you to release neurotransmitters on command. (If you know where they are located)
I know this because I asked myself the question: "What would I do if I had 2 wishes?"
Easy: Release the perfect ammount of the needed neurotransmitters to make me think I am walking on clouds.
The second wish is making me immortal.
Because, beside these 2, you don't "need" a car or a big house, it's all in your head.
Even your status, high or low, it's all in your head.
If you had the ability to release these neurotransmitters on command, you wouldn't have the need to progress.
Why would evolution want this?
Well, I can easily say that it doesn't because evolution will progress and that will never stop, unless every living lifeform is dead.

I think I have given you enough problems to ponder upon

[morning_star]

So you do not believe in telekinesis because it you think you know how it works and you understand it completely and you know for a fact that it cannot exist because you have the answer to all of life's puzzling questions. The student who thinks he has surpassed the master is the student who does not surpass his competition.  I would try to expand my mind instead of negating everything that conflicts with my current belief system. It is called "learning."  Children do it better.

[Sharpe]

Yes, I know that I have more knowledge than you.
Also the fact that you did not try to fix any of the problems I gave against telekenesis, but you only attacked me on a personal level.
And your sarcastic words are incorrect because I did not say I had the answers to life's puzzling questions.

And I also noticed you think you "know" what people are doing, but it's hilarious how little you know of how people actually think.
I don't need to "learn" anything from you, because I know more than you. ""

[Novice]

morning_star and sharpe -- the pot and kettle calling each other black   

[Sharpe]

Oh excuse me for coming up for myself, thou superiority.

[Sharpe]

Please don't ban me

[Novice]

I didn't mention a ban nor did I give any warning to you. I merely made an observation -- you and morning_star tend to 'debate' things in a very similar fashion. I simply found it amusing -- that's all.

[morning_star]

I tend to debate things after I have investigated them.  Don't make the mistake of disregarding my experience as an opinion.

[Doringo]

Please don't ban me

Is the obsequious tone because you actually thought you were going to get banned, or is it something else?

I think it is safe to say that your presence on this forum indicates a belief in a soul.

If everyone here believed in exactly the same thing it wouldn't be very fun, would it?

[Sharpe]

I didn't mention a ban nor did I give any warning to you. I merely made an observation -- you and morning_star tend to 'debate' things in a very similar fashion. I simply found it amusing -- that's all.

Ok, hey you observated us to make urself feel superior over us to everyone on these forums, to feel happy.

But seriously, me and morningstar are 2 completely different people.
It is disrespectfull, to say that we are alike.
Because, you do not know me, or him.

[Novice]

There was nothing 'superior' in my comment or response. I was neither rude nor condenscending. I merely stated that the two of you respond similarly in this thread:  you both know you are right, you both know the other is wrong, you both address each other in a condescending tone. I found it amusing because I don't think either one of you realised you were doing this...which is evident from your responses.

Everyone sees things differently, especially if you are on the outside looking (like me watching you two go back and forth).

Mentioning similarities between two people is disrespectful??   

I'll leave you two continue.

[Sharpe]

No, I know what we were doing, but the thing that interests me the most is how you deny that you feel superiority as this probably seems to go against the "society", am I correct? (or are you thinking that I know nothing about you or how you think to make those conclusions?)
Besides that point, you obviously must have had a motivation to post your "observation".
The word amusing leads to comedy, comedy is laughing for finding something lower than you (aka superiority).

I'm just saying, you can deny truth all you want, and you can make observations whenever you want, just watch to whom you observate and speak of your observation, because some people do not like it when the other thinks he knows better than him.
I did not like it when morningstar was doing it, and I also do not like it when you are doing it.
You aren't better than me.
There's nothing similar between me and morningstar, he has absolutely different beliefs.

Now, can we get back on topic please?

[morning_star]

I know I am not condescending and I know where I stand on the issue of worth. 

I believe my goal has been mis-interpreted.  Think in terms of light.  That will help you understand.  It is foolish to think that some of us know everything.  Only by sharing the information we know can we help everyone else progress and BE helped by everyone else.  It is a collective accomplishment. 

[tksjm]

So you do not believe in telekinesis because it you think you know how it works and you understand it completely and you know for a fact that it cannot exist because you have the answer to all of life's puzzling questions. The student who thinks he has surpassed the master is the student who does not surpass his competition.  I would try to expand my mind instead of negating everything that conflicts with my current belief system. It is called "learning."  Children do it better.

I completely agree with you on that. Just because something is studied and observations are made, and one finds out something unexplained, does it really mean that one cannot achieve something extraordinary? I mean come on people, do you really believe everything your told? Do you Really Believe everything you read? If you think about something not gonna happen, it won't happen. If you believe something will happen, it surely will.

Now, from my testing that I have made using both a Psi-wheel, and a up-side-down watch{easier to spin than a watch just sitting on a counter} i have succeeding in moving the psi-wheel consecutively, as well as the spinning of the watch. I even went so far as to jot down what and how it happened, as well as to make sure nothing else made effects to which both the watch and psi-wheel moved on thier own. They didn't. So I know for a fact that Telekinesis is possible for some, they just need to find out the directions on how to do it for themselves. TK is not not possible, because i found out for myself with my own two eyes that i can indeed move things with my mind. {I just think that it's strength correlates the same way as would your body when lifting wieghts, as your body becomes stronger after enough training, so to i believe will telekinesis strength improve.

[silentfox]

it is possible
i love this feild of stuff any ways  ive been doing this for many years longer than ive owned this account lol any ways some people need their hands to move it untill they recognise the mindset they need to be iin to just guide their energy or their surrounding energy the farthist ive done is 2 yards away under a jar and the doors and windows were shut obviusly lol any ways it took me a lot of free time and practice to get their (i was grounded lol)

any ways the worse thing you can do is thisnk ok im really good now i dont need to practice i made a big misstake with that and now im regaining my abillity and its alot more accurate with the turning in diffrent directions but unfortionatly i cant get the distance any more i can get about a foot now but its without the jar lol so always practice i even practiced in school alot of my friends were pagans so they didnt flip out when i did it they just joined and we had fun lol

~silentfox~

[silentfox]

hi tksjm lol didnt realise ive seen you four times already and posted after you almost as many hahaha i agree with you completly from experience

hey i just grabed this from one of my old post try these methods and tell me how it turns out oh i am going to try and recolect all my methodes used and ideas that worked and didnt work and post them just to see what works for other people but once you get a feel for the energy around you you should be able to do any method almost
i can almost fold foil XD

through experienc i sujest a couple of things

  1. try to use your perifrial vision (side vision) unstead of direct ey to wheel contact witch causes your eyes to twitch ,then you loose focase on what you whant it to do. while you are doing this try to sort of space out without loosing consiusness (falling asleep,drifting into never land) and focuse on the enegy /ki/chi/magneticfeild/chakra what ever you prefer to call it but i stick to energy .so focuse on that ,and if you are yousing a  jar this might work for you try to let the idea/image of a hurrican manifest inside the jar i say manifest because you need to stay focused . and dothis without thinking this can be easy if you just force your self to believe it , AND DONT QUIT.

i really hope this helped because this is the methode i yoused on my wheel under a jar just try not to get tense

  2. you could also try to do it with a freind together that is into this also (vary rare) but when i got my freind to do it he picked up fast then when we tried together we had to sort of sync together but the wheel nearly flew off the pin that was cool.

one more thing
3.fist try both hands then move to one then no hands /or try puting distance between you and the wheel

wish you luck
im tired

~silentfox~

[tksjm]

There was one experience that when i was totally relaxed on my bed, a fly landed on the tv set that i was watching and i just didnt want the fly to be in my room, much less in my house, so i raised one hand out to send energy at it, and as i did i just saw the fly, no other thoughts, just energy and the fly. And after a few moments of looking at the fly i closed my hand quickly as if i were crushing something and the fly dropped to the floor, dead. I dont know if it was me who made the fly drop dead, but i know that it wasnt coincidence either. I know i can control energy, and i  know i can move the psi wheel....and i'm sure that this post probably doesnt belong in this thread, but i believe that i used telekinesis and energy {weither or not they coexsist is beyond my knowledge so far} to effect the fly somehow......and after that i started to get back into moving the psi wheel after a few months to a year of non use. I dont know, maybe something in my head said to do something the same way with the psi wheel as with the fly. I dont know, what do you think?

~TK