War of the souls

[Jenadots]

Me, again. I do see clearly - 100%.  If war is so much a part of you, and your aura, then you will surely find it -- and find it in your own back yard.

I do honor those who fight and die for the safety of others here and elsewhere.  Some have been in my own family and they are worthy of honor.  

I just happen to think there are better ways of fighting than by massive killings of others.  Not that I wouldn't do it, even as I approach the gateway to geezerdom.  I would certainly fight - and kill if in a kill or be killed situation.  

And just because there might be another war, what makes any of you think it wouldn't be followed by more wars to end all wars?  We have had a century of that.  In every generation of men, and let's be honest here, it is mostly men - there are those who would be tyrants and killers and who seek to dominate others.  Yes, there are alpha women, but it is mainly men who do this for reasons other than self defense or defense of their families.  

War may clear away the "nasties" of the world.  But there will be more born in the next generation and somehow they will rise to power in whatever country they can.  

Boils down to this -- we, as a species, need evolution far more than we need wars.  The good always dies with the evil -- and somehow many of the truly evil ones manage to survive.  They simply let others die at their command.  

We must evolve past it.  That takes time -- perhaps hundreds of generations.  Obviously, it isn't now.  But it has begun as there are more and more people who have begun to ask a crucial question:  when does it ever stop?  How many more people have to be cannon fodder until it does?  

As I said before:  Manifest something better.  Focus on something better.  Collectively and individually.  You might be surprised to find that it results in something better.

But I doubt you will accept this challenge.  Too much focus on the next war and how brave you are going to be in it.  Dying in a war is easy.  Living through one is the hard part.  I pray those of you who seem so enthralled by the prospects of one, never really have to see one.

And whomever said no one wants a battle in their own back yard, just where do you think it will be?  A massive war will not be limited to somebody else's house or country.  It will be staring you in the face.  And it will not be a game like this topic seems to be for a few.  



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[Aileron]

jenedots I think you misread what I wrote.
When I said nobody wants a war in their backyard, I meant that war as a global disease, is often hidden by people so as to ignore the problem. Its a frightening thing when death and violence hit home. Dont ever mistake saying one thing for meaning the enjoyment of war and holocaust, that is a dangerous assumption.

When people search for answers in their "union" of imagination and belief, they often hope through parallel understanding of both the good and bad sides of humanity, that we are taught and can teach each other the values of these lessons, but nobody learns better than through experience.
We all want to seem like the hero at one time or another, and Im sure many people in these forums attempt to assume the stance of being that hero when in discussions of their opinions and ideas, for what better to bring about the absolute change of humanity to an evolved species than the prophet of that coming change.

It seems silly yes to think that if by practicing martial arts we will achieve energy control and thus being able to defend our family and friends. This is a noble dream, albeit an unrealistic one.
Sadly most of the people here probably dont think that if their war they dream about comes to fruition that it will involve guns and knives, rather martial arts, ki-blasts and prophetic epiphanies deployed at the enemy at the most crucial of moments.
Yet with all this dreaming and childlike flinging of prophecy one thing does become absolutely clear, that we as a species are far to unevolved to move past war at this point in our history.
It is not pessimism, it is realism.
Fact is, no matter how many of us gather together to attempt to create peace, there will be those in a greater authority as you said who will still opt for war as it brings more than one influence to the table.

We can look at so many figures who attempted to bring peace and only became martyrs who died at the hands of those screaming blood and rage; Martin Luther King Jr, Ghandi, Jesus Christ, etc.
I agree that it is rather unpleasant and seems unnecessary, but in reality, imagine a world without war.
Go on try.
Dont imagine the restrictions in place because of this peace.
Dont imagine the restraint of people keeping their tongues in check as others gather influence in civil matters
Dont imagine the antagonizing environment surrounding you as you try and speak your mind but are binded by the peace, for what is conflict but the utter build up of disagreement?

Imagine peace, ultimate peace.

can you imagine it?

I cannot see it without the restraint, and that is not freedom.
Every single being on this planet is different, and it is our differences that make us human.
Because we desire peace, does not mean we should attain it.
Because we desire war, does not mean we should attain it.

I agree that many wars lead to more wars, but look at history, look at our current state.
You cant honestly say that without war our world would be a better place, because really not a single being here knows what it is like to live without conflict, not a one.
Id like to think that with peace, real peace, an equilibrium is achieved, and perhaps I am overstepping my insight as to what you mean, but on our planet, the only peace comes through advantage, position, power, fear, and respect.
No peace has been achieved ultimately to stop the killing in any war, it has been to achieve a balance.

nobody wants to die or kill.
we all want change.

a revolution happens.
people will die no matter what.

a sad fact.
a real fact.

[The Founder]

Perhaps but you seem to be looking with this with a closed oppinion. What you have done is effectivly reword what we have all been saying and thinking it was different. I am not here to promote the war but to help you survive it as best I can. However I should point out that "true evil" does not exist, I don't assume you think it does but the phrasing is still deceptive. Try not to think of this as a battle of good verses evil, that opens up far too many paradoxes and subdebates, just find your enemy and survive his attacks. That is all you need to concern yourself with.

This evolution to bypass war and reach a peaceful glory is just the same as we have also been saying, yes we need to evolve but the matters of war will not fizzle away. Unfortunately war will have to end the same way it tends to rage, with a bang. This IS the war to end all wars, it is the final chapter, the last confrontation. Here is where the story either begins or ends. I'm sorry if any of you either find it too hard to believe or are simply scared by it but I have witnessed this stupid war from almost its very birth and I am fully aware of its progression to this point. Have trust in yourself and your neihbour and survive for the greater good. You all have the power and are all needed, sceptics and believers alike. The only issue is, are you prepared to make the ultimate sacrifyce?
Without honour, life is just a badly written story.

The Founder

[Jenadots]

Dear Founder..we all face the ultimate sacrifice, as you call it, sooner or later.  Having faced death twice in my life, I now see it as simply a change of address from one dimension to another.  I am sure there are millions of others who do not see it as a finality, but a change of consciousness.  Considerably different from earlier views, in other centuries, of the difference between life and death.
Certainly, there were religious & philosophical views of a life after death but it was seen as somehow not real, not now, not for us to know or experience.  That has changed.  

So I do believe human consciousness is slowly, but surely changing and evolving into something more and better than we have known in the past.  A few million now can become a few billion in your lifetime.

I do not fear the ultimate sacrifice as I do believe there are worse things in life than death.  Surviving a massive world war might be one of them.  I am not so very concerned for myself as I have likely
lived 60% of my life.  I am concerned for the younger people, like yourself, and like so many in my own family whose lives will be shattered, wasted or destroyed - whose hearts will shake with unbearable pain and fear that might, hopefully, lead them to the courage it will take to survive.  

Aileron spoke of peace being an impossibilitly without restrictions of some kind.  We all have restrictions.  But consider that one is as free within one's own mind, heart, and soul as one chooses to be.  
Peace at any cost is not peace.  And yes, some wars are worth fighting and dying in.  I cannot imagine the horror our lives would have become if Hitler had prevailed in WWII or what our world might become if someone like him really takes control of the various terrorist groups running wild in the world today.  

There is an evil loose in the world today - call it what you like if you don't like the word evil - but it is a killing sickness that affects us all one way or another.  If we just kill the killers of others, we become them or too much like them to live in civilized society.  Not to mention bad karma.

So, perhaps we need a manifesting forum - a way that those of us with some talent and desire in that area can begin to focus on healing the species of man and the planet of earth.  Simply that may create that something better I was thinking of in my earlier post.  

JD

[Aileron]

jenadots, please dont misconstrue my posts as being an attack on your opinion in any way. I actually find your posts to be much more realistic than others in the forums and I have a lot of respect for you.
I just think you may misread many heres desires, although I do not doubt many here (myself included from time to time)as being a little endgame crazy.

I do believe a certain peace is and must be possible, just not any time soon with the current events, although I agree that it is the beginnings of what we do that create the end result, and the sooner we all begin healing, the sooner we can surpass the ugliness of violence.
BTW, there is a healing section in the forums for everyone to get involved in such things.

I personally believe as an addition that people such as the ones on these forums and out there in the wars and rebellions fighting are all necessary, but that it is not my meaning that everyone needs to be this way.
Our world needs its evil and good (I will for one use the words because they do not have to define people, but for the actions and intentions)for the balance of our world is what brings beauty.

This is also not to say that violence and death and destruction is beautiful, but if one cannot see the beauty in the cycle of life, one lacks the foresight to see beyond five seconds ahead of them.
Embracing what we are is life.


Founder, Im sorry, I know your trying to give people the insight to do what ever it is they need to do, but if you really dont want to convince people of your belief (no matter how much you truly believe it yourself)and are just arming them with the knowledge, do just that and stop worrying about what people think.
I have my opinions and Im sorry, your war is still just another war to be fought if it happens, but it wont be with metaphysics and telepaths. Another war is another war on our planet, something that constitutes people dying, and it wont be in any glorious ways.
sacrificing oneself for another is one thing, but the last thing people will be worrying about while this war is happening is whether the thread in our universe is tearing or degrading.
The maya didnt have any prophecy about that occuring, their belief was that on the 21st, the equinox (which will occur)will bring the sun and a planetary alignment across the milky way to create "The Tree of Life," which you can look at from many different angles, since the maya used very accuratly their astronomy for both structural and architectural beauty and use, harvesting and production of goods, weather patterns, as well as using in the slightest a variation of techniques to understand human development since our species are affected by seasonal, yearly, and daily changes, etc etc.
There was no prophecy by them on any war...ever for the year 2012.
Read up on them if you like, but expand beyond the mayan factor, and moreso into the actual civilizations before, during and after.
oltec, toltec and aztec.

anyways, all I am saying is there are enough soothsayers telling and forecasting wars for different reasons, under different banners, and really, a war is expected, it really is, and not even because of any prophecies although you can always pull a current event and propogate some historical forecasting of an event and relate the two. Very simple, not too mention satisfying on many different levels.
A war is expected because in the congo there is a war, in israel there is a war, in iraq there is a war...my god man, there has been wars going on constantly for thousands of years.
A war to end all wars under some idea that it is because of the degredation of the astral and physical realm isnt a silly notion, it is just another notion among thousands.

Not that I dont hope for that kind of war because that means that maybe Ill be able to manipulate reality surrounding ICBM missiles and detonate them all creating a chain event that destroys one third of the earth if not all.

[The Founder]

The Mayans, I can't be bothered checking to see if I did but I should have made it clear that I don't trust them. I used them only as an example of evidence that had been thrown at me. (Odly enough in an atempt to disprove me.) I did however, make it quite clear that I offor no evidence as I know there isnt any. Please do not rely on the (briefly mentioned at best) Mayan thing and more on the fact that I have always known about the war scince birth. I would like for that to be the last time I have to say that, lol.

"but it wont be with metaphysics and telepaths." as I said earlier to claim bs or simply say 'your wrong' about anything is foolishly presumptious. Do not assume I am wrong, rather consider I may be right but remain skeptical.

Jennedots, I do care what people think, or their own sake. You are right however and I am not here to convince people, as I myself said. I will not however ignore straight forward questions and I will debate with those who are cynical not because I disbelieve them but simply because I want to see why they disbelieve me. I don't assume to know all the truth. If somebody thinks I am wrong about soemthing they must have a sensible reason for doing so. I search for the real truth, and I will accept that truth whatever it may be. I know we do not ahve the luxury of chosing our own truths and so when I debate I am simply trying to make both of our arguments clear and looking for a compramise. In order to find the truth you must search in yuor heart and trade with others who have done the same.

I will always however put my knowledge out there to eb heard, in that you can trust.

The Founder

[Adam]

Ah goody. Someone else who can see past the bullsh*t too.

Yes, I'm looking forward to these coming events, Founder. To be honest... it seems like my life is really just about preparing for what is to come. I sometimes envy those around me who can just live a 'normal' life! They seem to be a lot happier you know, not f***ing being challenged all the time, being pushed to let go of stuff, and grow stronger. And ... it's not even like I can get to a point and take a break. I get challenged, move on, and then yup! It happens again.

My life really, is about reconnecting with my spirit on a day to day basis. It's like I can't bother with things that just don't mean anything to my spirit... you know? And my energy at the moment is all about letting those things go.

But to be honest, I'm keen to do some butt-kicking mate. I don't know WHY all these new-agers seem to dislike destruction so much - I mean, COME ON, these guys (one label is the illuminati) are going to be wiped off the face of the earth, one way or another. And I'm very happy about this. This destruction has been a long time coming, and I'm going to be very happy about the space it will leave for our growth and fulfillment. Much joy to be had!

Got any idea as the timeline for the events? Like a specific year? My spirit itches [}:)]

Edit - By the way, I saw on your forum that you mentioned something about the messiah. There's a chap called Oazaki who hasn't posted around here in a while (he should be back in mid-july), but he believes that he is the coming messiah. If you read the 'The year 2004: Prediction' thread, it should explain it all... pretty long but. I certainly think there is more substance to Oazaki's words than many people seem to think.

[Aileron]

seeing past all the bs?
There is nothing on this planet that is bs except for people trying to convince themselves to ignore the world they live in by concentrating haphazardly on a future that is uncertain.
Your willing to tell me that in your belief, each day that comes you are prepare for the future you believe to happen?
Whats going to happen then, in this future?

If you dont know for certain how do you prepare then, ignoring what the rest of us "normal" people are doing and practicing your martial arts? Meditating? Military school? Watching DBZ? Are you attempting to get a diploma? Do you have one already? Is your place of employment away for you to research what is needed for your future? Do you sit around on the computer reading what other people are posting agreeing with one person or disagreeing with another drinking whiskey sours and laughing at idiots like myself who attempt to bring rationality into topics such as these (at least rational to those of us with "normal" lives I would like to think)? Even for the inane uselessness of attempting to do so, what reason do I have to do such things? I have yet to answer that question.
So what do you do to reconnect to your spirit? Do you sit atop the tallest hill or mountain and think, feel and reflect?
Do you ingest substances perhaps believing them to widen your introspective being? Those mushrooms, man they really opened my eyes ya know.
How long have you been studying on these things? Ya know, the illuminati and such.
I wanna hear your answers cause you seem to have in your testosterone fevered post real passion, but I hear no reason, no logic as to why you would want destruction. You talk about what it will bring but man your substance seems full of rage to me.


Founder, you dont trust the Mayans? How can anybody trust or not trust what an ancient civilization wrought? Do you not trust the egyptians as well?
What is it you dont trust, their prophecies? If thats the case I already discussed minimally what their beliefs were used for. Their mythical and spiritual beliefs were greatly dispersed and varied, and although they imparted portions of that among their astronomy, it wasnt their myths that should followed.
Did you not trust whether they existed or not? Let me asure you they did.
Perhaps you are confused as to how others such as Jose Arguelles (I believe that is his name, correct me if Im wrong) fed into the mayan machine.


Next, I dont rely on "The Mayan" thing, I rely on cultures and civilizations to have done, do and will do what is in human nature to do. Exist under what ever they believe is the best system for themselves, and Im sorry, there is no way I would EVER rely on someone who thinks they have known about war since birth.
Do you live in the middle east? Have you been dominated over for centuries? Have you lived in the Congo under strict regiment? Are you part of an underground revolution?
Id like to know this cause I find it absurd that someone would tell anybody to rely on their knowledge, especially when that person is saying they have known something they could not possibly know for their entire lives since birth.
Have all your past lives been relived and if so, were each one of them in every single war and conflict that has existed?

Im sorry, I respect you as a person, I do, but your notions to me are insubstantial and flitty at best with good intentions.

I never came into these forums with my own intention of getting into debates, but Im seeing more and more the confusion people are attempting to spread.
You have every right to believe what you want, but I plead that you do not try and convince others (and I know you have said that you are not attempting to do so but there is no other reason why you would be here giving your opinion about what is going to happen without at least hoping to have one person {Looks like thats happened}agree with you and find their own personal outlet through your meandering)
We are meant to find truths on our own and if it means sifting through what is "BS" and what is not, so be it, but I came to realize a long long time ago that people will see what they want, and I do not have to try to convince anyone of my own beliefs (BS since this is what I am trying to do now).

You want substance?

Think back on what a messiah might truly do in our world now. Would they even have to get on the internet to spread their word?
Wouldnt their voice be enough, and wouldnt it have to be, since anyone can say anything on the net and seem like someone else with proof to back up what they say?
Would a messiah even attempt to prove anything to people?
Perhaps a messiah has no name, perhaps having all names.


Point.
Dont make any decision on who you think is a messiah just because they talk about something you agree with or give substance and meaning to your world.

I cant even define what a messiah is, can you?

(pounds desk)Damnit, Im sorry, I didnt want to get so involved here, but I always fall into the same pit over and over with the same things being argued about.

[wantsumrice]

Wow, very well said Aileron.  There is nothing wrong with getting into debates and the such, why?  Because debates are what keep this forum alive.  If everyone had conformed and believed the same thing without throwing their opinion into the air, where would this forum be?  I'll tell you, no where near where it is today [].

T'is true that The Founder did impose his opinion, and came off somewhat preach'ish, which is probably what made you, feel like he was trying to convert or convince people.  But then again, Founder, your proof just does not exist!  Why?  Because it is nearly impossible to predict the future, whether it maybe through intuition or visions.  There are simply too many variables that go into an equation of events.  So many things could go wrong, or more accurately, change the outcome of events.  That is not to say that predicting the future isn't possible, but it is nearly impossible.  

The confusion that people are getting trapped into are simple dillusions, or dreams that others fabricate.  And it's because of the simple solution that everyone wants that makes these ideas so attractive.  These days, I EXPECT, sadly, I EXPECT to see people believing in these wishful thinkings, but then again, that is what makes these forums so interesting and harmful.

Adam, what is it about destruction that pleases you?  I'm sure you know about what is going on between the US and Iraqi's, the man getting his head cut-off, and the terrible things the US does to their Iraqi prisoners?  Is that what you want?  

Also, why would you envy others lives?  It must be true then...that knowledge not only brings power, but unhappiness.  If anything, you should be thankful that you are as aware as you are, but then again, "with power, also comes responsiblity".  Meaning, you are given a gift, now what are you going to do with it?

~ivan

[halfphased]

Here is one reason as to why Adam might like destruction so much:

Destruction allows us to get rid of something, to break it down, make it useless, etc.
So, the idea of destroying the illuminati might just sound appealling to him.  For, if the rumors are true and they do exist, they are partly responsible for the state of things.  If they are allowed to continue their existence uninterrupted, it would seem that people would continue to see what the illuminati want them to see and eventually deprive them of their free-will.
That's not to say that anyone has to be blood thirsty in their desire to destroy the illuminati.

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What are the rest of us "normal" people doing anyways but preparing for a very limited future heavily based upon the conditioning of the societies that we live in...  

One man's rationale is another man's folly.  

How can we communicate without influencing what other's think?  Unless maybe I have the power to control how they process the information they come across... [}:)][] (Psssst  I don't like the devil icon on this board.  I think he should have an evil grin instead of a smirk)  I mean, really, if you don't want to influence people, pack your bags and head to the furthest away cave.  There certainly have been moments when I've considered doing such a thing.

We depend upon people's beliefs in order for us to have communication.  We depend on people to put meaning into our words.  

If you were The Founder and you had this knowledge, I would think that you might feel compelled to warn people about the emminent danger.  So, being the civil servant he is, he makes his knowledge (and when I use the term knowledge I don't mean that his or anybody elses knowledge is absolute) available to others.  If someone comes across the information and relates to it and researches it and talks to people and comes to a conclusion as to take The Founder's information and accept it as true, I would think that The Founder would be glad that this person decided to open her eyes and now is more prepared and might decide to help out.  On the other hand, if someone read what he said and went "alright, I believe, I'm going to renounce my life and go train in the dumpster behind Wendy's"  I would hardly hold The Founder responsible for this person's lack of discernment.  Of course, this is 1 out of at least a million ways to look at this situation.

I must be a 3  []  *hugs*

[Adam]

Well, seems like i caused a litle stir. Good!

"The Hindu trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva symbolize the forces of Creation, Sustenance and Destruction. We see these forces at play in our every day life. There is birth (Janam), life (Jivan) and death (Mrityu). This applies to all forms of life. This phenomenon is always in motion and forever changing."

A quote taken from: http://www.indianest.com/hinduism/007.htm

That kind of sums up how I feel about the role the forces of destruction plays in this world. That it is part and parcel of the universe, and necessary for our fulfillment. I'm sure in your spiritual journey you have needed to let go of parts of yourself that were no longer needed? That you had to shed parts of yourself? That parts of you had to die away, so new growth could come? Could we not term this destruction?

What is the point of ignoring destruction in our day to day lives? In our growth as a whole? Would this world be better off with those that some label the 'illuminati'? Or without?

Myself, it's not even so much the people. It's the consciouness, and the thought forms that are the real 'enemies' here. There are certain ways of thinking that need to be destroyed. And I champion their destruction, because I think they have outlived their usefulness.

Best to start finding where destruction fits in with your being... accept or deny it, it is a part of our being we need to face one day.

[wantsumrice]

Destruction is a kind of strong for what you want to say Adam.  Shedding parts of me and growing new ones would be more like changing it...or eliminating it.  But definitely, destruction has a very power connotation.  Watch your language son! []

~ivan

[Moonburn33]

destruction is the opposite of construction.
negativity is part of the universe and it's not here for us to "push from" or look to as an example of not what to do, it's here because it's here, deal with it.


sounds like you need to spend some time developing your third TESTICLE.

[volcomstone]

there is no destruction
only transformation

you cannot annhilate anything, impossible to remove completely.
always remnants, memories, stored information (akashic Wreckchords)

if you destroy something here, it becomes whole somewhere else.
when you transform something however, there is no destruction, merely evolution. It's like harmonizing chords, or tuning a guitar.

to destroy, in human terms, would mean to make useless to humans. however what is usless to humans is usefull to somthing else.

so you  can destroy and make more things unavailable to us, and allow lower entities to overtake our "usless" destruction. Or we can create and make something that can be usefull to us, or to something above us.

destroy = downward spiral, constuct= upward spiral.

[Aileron]

adam,Im happy you decided to enlighten us as to your views in more detail than what you originally wrote, because that post made you seem slightly foolish in regards to following a thread of belief without disclosing why you would feel that way.

You obviously have an open intellect, however your examples of Hindu myth regarding the three cycles of each deity representing life in each of its current wave lacks the realization that yes, although those parts of life are necessary, the people representing them are just as important as well, since they in turn often compel fate towards its path.
Thusly there is the need for people such as yourself who desire your ends, just as there is a necessity for those who desire peace/ rebirth/ construction/ etc.
Such as this, there are those as well treading a road within the realm of vishnu who must sustain the balance of the other two, linking as one might, the whole of the cycle.

We can define and redefine our own terms of how life changes and moves on, but in reality, our affect is within a great range of tones to match how something that happens is perceived.

A civilization becoming annhialated then another one either rebuilding, building atop the old, or a completely original culture then existing is a perfect example of destruction and creation while at the same time on a separate axiom when a child loses a tooth and an adult tooth grows in, there is no destruction nor creation, but transformation which some on their own personal level can define as the latter but many would just see it as a very small affect of the old falling away without pain, devastation nor loss and the new coming in.
Whatever our definition of life is, the fact is that this cycle on whatever plain it is seen as is a necessity and all who are involved as well.

[Clow]

Uh oh  another one but i promised I would stay out of these descussins didn't I.

[Kerrblur]

I am going to continue to stay out of this, havnt followed  a single dam thing, not one reply, just my base knowledge on this information and the creator of this crap. but I can make some good educated guess's.

heres my views on this BS.

Its a one sided view on a crystal ball showing unlimited views on things, and the discussion itsself, i apologize if its been discussed which im sure it has, the demons are us humans, were the demons, were gonna (IF YOU ALLOW IT TOO) destroy ourselves.

If you know anything about creative energies, youll think 3-dimentional or even 4? lol

Im sticking with my zeta guides on this one, not a person that is trying to get a uprising of believers in some kind of demon cult war.
you know creative energies, youll create it, we dont need a civil war.
People use your own intuition on this bs.  I know some particular people who are into this that I talk too, and there energies are blackened by there newfound beliefs, I cant even speak with them nomore, and I've been threatened already by these fools, lol hah even threatened by a evil demon apparently named Lance.  You get no good believing this. no good at all, i see no love in this.

Just hope for the 4th density transformation and love, there will be no demons. only the people who will fight it the change to come like the creator of this site and more, the demon inside them,the people in the (future) demon uprising club that has been increasing more and more freightfully(SP?), and I know who I will blame and point.

[Adam]

So Kerblurr... who are your guides? What do they say? I'd like to hear more from you on this.

There isn't any predictions from them of any 'bad' stuff happening? You know, destruction and death and chaos, etc? Just curious...

[Wronski Feint]

Im sure sombody in here pictures themselves at the end as a hero standing on a rock in the middle of a battlefeild with all of humanity standing in a group behind you while a army of demons come thrashing toward you, ah...the glory.  But there is the fact that if the world is comming to an end, it wont be because of a group of evil people doing it, because humans are the evil of the world, we kill, steal, pollute and destroy the innocent, so there fore we would be fighting ourselves.    If any thing will kill us it will be a comet or somthing like that and I would just stop trying to predict it and leave it up to a higher power (or what have you).

[Kerrblur]

thank you Wronski Feint

i see your new to this site, but you can actually think for yourself.

I'll tell you what my guides tell me, they tell me theres going to be death, but there isnt going to be demons, the demons are ourselves, like yourself who can sit there and believe demons arew gonna run down the football field with there axes of fire to kill us.  You're going to be one of thoughs people who are isnt going to accept what God, and his higher beings, and beings of a higher density sent here to aid us in this change thats going to happen.  its been talked about even in the bible. God forbid i cannot say this without quoting it but I will ina couple minutes, i will find it.

You people who say this s**t are the ones who will create havok and ultimately loose, cause nothing will stop this Great happening.  Theres going tobe alot of people who dont even know, but cant handle the change thats going to be taking effect to there minds, and they die.  but depending on what kind of person they are, depends on there reincarnation back to this world, or sent to another for a life with the other Service-to-Self species.

So, stick with your demon beliefs, but i earge you to go outside and see some light in your eyes for once.

[Jenadots]

Aha -- I am just glad that the "predicted" Civil War Month is almost over.[]

Whatever and whenever the Great Anything happens, as usual, some will live, some will not.  In the meantime, I prefer not to worry about the end of the world.  It will find me, and you too, soon enough. []

[Aileron]

kerrblur, you should be careful who you demonize in your blind accusation.
Your higher beings who guide you I would assume to be more evolved than telling you who to suffer incivility towards.
YOur notions seem to be directed towards those who do not have your same beliefs and in fact you seem to blame those who do not, for events that have not and even might not occur.

So here is a little historical basis to tread upon.
first, it has been religious zealots and bible preachers who have directed anger and passionate heretical propoganda which has led to many wars and in fact in the most of uniquely hypocritical ways, the most recent, Al-Quada's own crusted beliefs in a Jihad against the US calling the US Infidels and so on, yet completely disregarding the muslim beliefs.

second, if any war does occur in the future, it will not be because of intelligent people such as Wronski feint who obviously has some sense of reality in how a majority see themselves, but people such as yourself who throws attack upon those who only try to enlighten without complete presumption.

third, who ever said anything about demons running down a football field with axes of fire?

You want to enlighten people with your wisdom, dont tell them they are the reason for wars in the future, or whatever you were trying to say.
not trying to get into an argument, just be careful with your wording.
[|)]

[Adam]

Kerrblur, just curious, but how many of those judgements were leveled at me? I wish to know this before I can answer sufficiently.

[Kerrblur]

Edited - hung over
Non of them are directed towards you, they are directed towards the concept of this theory, which You are right, I cannot say I am right and Did i ever say My way is right? directly word for word?, but I can speak my oppinion on something that has caught my attention.  something that right now in this world with crucial(SP?) times, doesnt need to be spread to people.

  I am well taught in the practice of creative energies, now im not gonna go into that, in another thread perhaps. even trying to put yourself in a position to think about something soo bad, such hate, and violence around us is totally faithless thinking and you wanna talk about something like that knowing what creative energies are will bring people This much closer ---- to making it true. Defending it, I cant believe your sitting here right now trying to.  

Now, I do not want you guys telling me that, 'i am trying to say Im right', My argument with this, is the fact of people 'choosing' to believe such a terrible event.  

Think 3 dimentional about what your defending.

in fact alot of people are going to die in the coming years, I'm probably going to die too, lots of things are going to happen, but for the GOOD.  and at this time of age with whats going on in the world, right now, we want peace, but noone honoestly thinks it but they want it. but dont initiate it.

So you think spreading the news about a demon war is going to help towards the process  of the awakening? Then following the transformation shift to the other density?  people who think this excrement, dont think about love, peace, faith, god.  Specially God, if you do, he dont want you too, unles you drop this horrifick idea, cause your TALKING about a demon war for God's sake.

    okay, im talking bull crap right now, I'm hung over, and i feel like a hammer is pounding my head, but Im not talking crap about something i dont know about, I read quite alot about this topic, and I also say, and constantly preach if you would spend the time to get to know me first before accusing me, I always preach how noone needs to prove themselves right.  

And I showed you this now.  The demon war is believable, but only if you want it.

[Adam]

Kerrblur, I thought that you were quick to make some judgements about the people here. Me, like probably everyone else posting here, can feel that we are certainly only around the corner from some rather large events, and I am simply on a bit of a search to find what is coming. I really do not know anything about a 'demon' war... it's just that I can feel a great fight going on right now, and I wish to try and get the bottom of that feeling, and where I fit in to the picture.

On another note, I noticed your post about the asteroids, and I've been following that up... if this is true... and I've got a strong feeling it is.. *really* strong.. then we are in for a hell of a ride, eh?