What is a Medium?

[Tayesin]

Hi daem0n,
Similar feelings can be generated by darksiders to the point where it may fool many people.  But, with the well experienced there is a knowing of the 'flavours' or characteristics to the Feel.

You know what I mean, it's how I know it's you in my field and vice-versa, etc.  It's the Flavour, the differences that make the characteristics of Feeling.

The 'flavour' of darkside is distinctive and easily noticed.  You know this.

So even those 'negs' may only fool you or I for a little while, if at all...  until we had tasted that feeling and have the Knowing then.

It's the same for working the Mediumship tools, the Feel of Guidance, and the like.

[daem0n]

flavours, i call them sig, for energy signature (left from interest in psionics)
i can change my sig and replace it with different one, of course you can get to original, but it requires effort and multidimensional awareness
i mean that i can "transfer" the original to higher dimensions, leaving the "dummy" in this, it is still the same, but in bigger picture

so anyone that cannot access these higher dimensions is left with the dummy and no matter how much he tries he won't get the original sig, feeling  and thoughts, but rather those projected through the dummy

which brings us to the point of "light"  entities, some are light through and through, and some are light up to certain dimension and you get the ugly face
you see through astral ones like glass, but the higher the more difficult it gets
and when i was scanning some (or rather being them from enlightened view) they were ok, friendly, etc, as i pushed further the true feeling, thoughts and memories came up
not mentioning that some of "negative" had their masters "feeling" like light
these demon war thing can be a real nuisance
and their sig is distinct, IF you get to it

so, knowing that there is always something higher, trust noone, until you are sure you grasped the whole of their being (now being sure is different matter)
better safe then sorry

[pmlonline]

Raw emotion - gut feelings - intuition, cannot be isinterpreted.

Dear James,

I see.  Your wording makes sense to me now.  It is well known that the Emotional / Desire / Astral body is a reflection of the Intuition body.  It seems that in most cases, at least on present Earth, Intuition is reflected down on the Desire body and converts to raw emotions.

Your wording of "gut feelings" really resonates with me.  My point is there's a difference between emotions and intuition.  Emotions come from the Desire / Astral body.  This powerful emotional state can be noted while astral projecting.  Even higher in vibration is Soul projection also referred to as Mental projection.  Intuition is higher in vibration than the Soul.  Soul is the higher Mind also referred to as Abstract thought.  Below Abstract thought is the lower Mind, Concrete Mind.  Below the Mind, in vibration, we find the Emotional / Desire / Astral body.

Thanks James.

Love & Peace,
Paul

[pmlonline]

Now James has illustrated the importance of Feeling.  This is a different kind of feeling to the normal use of the word in our day to day talking.

Very good Tayesin.  I agree, which is what initially caught my attention because James wording of emotions through me off guard.

I think in everyday guru talk, ,  there are unique words to decipher the differences.  Raw emotions / everyday common feelings are different than Intuition.  Although I'm not suggesting that Intuition is not reflected or converted into feelings.  It seems that in a lot of cases, and perhaps nearly all cases, that the true energy of Intuition is converted to feelings which stem from our emotional body.  Since Intuition is of such a higher and purer vibration, it should be safe to suggest that the feelings that come from Intuition are very unique and different than just everyday common feelings; i.e., intuition is definitely something to be closely listened to.

Love & Peace,
Paul

[pmlonline]

intuition is direct knowledge, but we cannot process it efficiently as of yet , and are left with vague "feeling", simplified for 3d

A+ !!   I think you hit it right on it everyday terminology.  That I like.

[Eol007]

A rough cut note: I don't know if this adds weight to the discussion or not!

Looking at the basic mediumistic focus (attunement) outline steps rather than the role: -

Although I have been taught this (put other words) it seems that the aspiring medium will strive to do the following: -

Bring their awareness to their own en-souled spirit then go straight to attuning with the divine/god rather than deity in the theistic sense, become aware of the world of spirit, feel into/permeate with the world of soul, and be grounded yet mindful of oneself with the senses in the physical all at the same time!!!

This way when attempting to act as a medium one is more able to be a suitable instrument before even considering inviting communication with non physical beings etc.

This also serves as a protection and increases to power available to be able to work more effectively as the medium etc! Can you see how it negates all the clap trap about, reminants/shells (whatever you call em), thought forms, negs ... and is brings forth qualities worth aspiring too: like higher(truthful) guidance/inspiration and of course genuine one two one communication with loved ones etc. Or if compared with Frank and MajorTom's discussion on the Relative Plane: skipping out the astral and going direct to F27+/Park and so on!

What I feel tends to occur is people are either attempting communication without forethought and or are being poorly instructed regardless of their well meant intents (bless em)!

This is sometimes described as 'sitting in the power'.

Best,


Stephen  

[pmlonline]

Similar feelings can be generated by darksiders to the point where it may fool many people.  But, with the well experienced there is a knowing of the 'flavours' or characteristics to the Feel.
The 'flavour' of darkside is distinctive and easily noticed.

Dear Tayesin,

Now what instrument do you think would be detecting such a darksider?  That is, would it be your Desire body, Mind, Soul or Intuitive body be detecting the darksider?

Love & Peace,
Paul

[Tayesin]

Similar feelings can be generated by darksiders to the point where it may fool many people.  But, with the well experienced there is a knowing of the 'flavours' or characteristics to the Feel.
The 'flavour' of darkside is distinctive and easily noticed.

Dear Tayesin,

Now what instrument do you think would be detecting such a darksider?  That is, would it be your Desire body, Mind, Soul or Intuitive body be detecting the darksider?

Love & Peace,
Paul

It is all Energy.  

We notice the differences easily, even the sleepers feel it.  

An example of knowing/feeling such differences can be observed right here.

My Intuition (which has never been wrong to date) points to two 'flavours' in this question...  COLD and DARK.

The avenue these energies are coming through is unrequited Ego.

You could ask me how I know this, and I would reply, because I know from prior experience of the flavours/energetic characteristics it holds.

That is all I need to know, Intuition is clear and working, as always, details and beliefs are no longer needed to function, and this question isn't relative based on this understanding.

Are we done yet ?

[You]

Any medium you encounter is most likely a fraud. Read about what Harry Houdini did to those poor saps, man he's such a badass.

The only person you should trust to be truthful about contacting spirits is yourself. Even then, be skeptical.

[Eol007]

Hi Tyciol,

Sadly this is very true. Many people (often extremely vulnerable) are exploited due to people and organisations (often corrupt or barely within the law) purporting to be mediums, psychics, clairvoyants etc.

This is a great shame as individual and pubic trust is so often damaged by such cruelty! There are of course people who have been exemplars, and this is something any aspiring medium should aim to become.  

It is absolutely of paramount importantance that anyone who is prepared to offer themselves in service on the path of mediumship - should have amongst many other qualities: absolute integrity and come from a place that is only of unconditional love.

A good question to ask and it is sincerely hoped that my short reply is of some small comfort for you.


Stephen

[pmlonline]

Any medium you encounter is most likely a fraud.

Dear Tyciol,

I would agree there are a lot of frauds.  Some time ago I studied and became friends with a lot of local channelers.  I found most of them to truly believe in what they did.  Unfortunately most of them did not care to test the information from the spirits.

An example of knowing/feeling such differences can be observed right here.  My Intuition (which has never been wrong to date) points to two 'flavours' in this question...  COLD and DARK.
Are we done yet?

Dis-information has returned. The darkness lies there, behind this.

Dear Tayesin,

That's interesting.  I used to do the same thing long ago.   Actually I stopped doing that long ago because it's not of the light, and the teachings I follow discourage that.  I also used to think I was 100% accurate until I worked up enough courage to test myself.  I decided to test it because a girl I knew that also claimed to be 100% accurate completely misjudged me.  I did not do what she said I did.  We were very close friends and one day she destroyed our friendship because of her intuition.  The best intuitives in the world get around 25% accuracy?  Even if she were among the best in the world, she would be wrong 75% of the time.  Not good for karma.
Often what we think is intuition is usually the undeveloped desire body.  The undeveloped desire body swells up with an inner force when it is threatened.  That's too bad because I acquired a lot of Karma by falsely judging others.  Oh I truly thought it was impersonal observation, but it was incorrect judgment.
Anyhow, this is probably an off thread topic but I wanted to mention it because I've notice you posting this stuff numerous times lately at AP.  No offense intended ... just a loving FYI.

Love and Peace,
Paul

[daem0n]

so we return to facts and interpretation of them

the question to Tayesin was from the beginning meant to prove him wrong
he felt this as cold and dark
i felt it differently, the closest would be "metallic"
intuition includes connections and targets
and as to interpretation, even blind man could see your point
i feel like i am watching chess match ...  i prefer go
to the last breath, one could say  

[Tayesin]

Paul,
I have moved this reply to the Chat section so we no longer clog up other people's threads with our discussions.

Love

[You]

Metallic cold dark.... *stares* Okay I need to read more... *brushes thumb joint and wraps tongue*

Personally, I don't think a real medium would advertise as a medium. More likely they'd offer it when it was necessary, and it usually isn't.

I personally want a real job, like programming, healing, manufacturing, the military, electrician, farmer, stuff like that. Things that provide direct tangible influence. Not things that 99% of the people who share it with you are scammers. Not to say that the former don't scam... especially with little 'screw-the-little-guy' tricks, but I don't think it's as pronounced, and done more out of necessity of profit than total disregard, I'm sure most guys are fed lies to make them believe in what they're doing.

[James S]

Mediumship on its own is often looked at as the stuff of batty old women with really bad dress sense & makeup, selling their services in trashy womens magazines to the gullible and desperate.

When it really becomes useful though is in areas of spiritual guidance or councelling, reiki or other means of aura/energy body healing. In fact the healing arts are probably the most noble use of mediumship. Recieving spirit guidence to help locate a cause of dis-ease in somone's energy body can be of huge help to a healer.

I'm someone that has spent 19 years of my working life in a "real job" - working in the computer industry. I'm very dissatisfied with it as it is not who I am - something that I have recently come to grips with. What I really am is a healer & teacher. I am someone who seeks to use my psychic skills for humanitarian purposes, for the benefit of people who come to me to learn or be healed.

Those psychics who are genuine do not go into metaphysical lines of work for the purpose of earning money. They know that what they are doing is fulfilling a calling of the Universe, and know that in doing so the universe will (and does) provide all their monetary needs.

If they're in it just for the money, they're fakes. But remember also, that is is to be expected that if someone asks a psychic for healing or guidance, if that service comes for free, it will not be taken as seriously or be appreciated as much as a service that is paid for. People expect to pay for quality.

Regards,
James.

[You]

Those psychics who are genuine do not go into metaphysical lines of work for the purpose of earning money. If they're in it just for the money, they're fakes.

Why? Many people go into medical practise to make money. A lot of lawyers go in to help people, that doesn't mean all lawyers who go into it for the money are fakes. It is similar with politicians.

Do you have the idea that people who are more concerned with money than helping people are somehow incapable of psychic phenomena?

[James S]

Hi Tyciol,

"Do you have the idea that people who are more concerned with money than helping people are somehow incapable of psychic phenomena?"

Basically, yes!

Same goes for doctors, lawyers, or any other position of humanitarian work. If the money is the first priority, then the person is in the job for the wrong reason. Looking for financial gains more than looking to the needs of others is the best way of supressing any true psychic gift, as these gifts need to work from a position of love, and MUST come from the heart if it is to be at all effective. This is especially true for healers.

Besides, if the practicioner is honest and genuine, and the clients can see that they work in love, and care more about the people than the money, that is their best form of advertising, and they will get far more business and far more money through that giving attitude, than a practicioner who is seen to be more concerned with the money than the people.

Kind regards,
James.

[pmlonline]

Those psychics who are genuine do not go into metaphysical lines of work for the purpose of earning money. They know that what they are doing is fulfilling a calling of the Universe, and know that in doing so the universe will (and does) provide all their monetary needs.

If they're in it just for the money, they're fakes. But remember also, that is is to be expected that if someone asks a psychic for healing or guidance, if that service comes for free, it will not be taken as seriously or be appreciated as much as a service that is paid for. People expect to pay for quality.

Thank you dear James!  I couldn't agree more.  I know the philosophy I follow teaches to never charge money for spiritual services.  People will donate and the universe will provide when necessary.  I've heard so many people say they were awakened in the middle of the night or had a real dream about donating to a certain place.

Peace & Love,
Paul

[experimental]

hi ,

i went to see a medium a long time ago at a freinds house , she was  very gifted and told me alot of things related to my family that only i could know " well to cut a long story short " i asked her how she was so good at channeling to spirit , and what actually happened when she recieved such messages in her mind , " she told me that "  the imagination and the power of a external   thaught  coming into  your mind has a definite speed .  A message or thaught that you did nt think of that may enter your mind without the intervension of your imagination is more rapid and quicker than you thinking of it , she went onto to talk about the " art of stillness  and stilling the mind to allow a message in and to identify it through the speed responses , she also mensioned picture thaught activity ,


Sorry for changeing the subject slightly , but i found it very intersting


Experimental ; D

[Eol007]

Hi Experimental,

Good recall - obviously the sitting with the medium had an impact for you  

These are important points as if one is to embark on the path of mediumship it is paramount to be able to distinguish between the rise of one's own thoughts and that provided or sent to you by other people e.g. spirit. There is also a subtle difference btw those received or exchanged psychically with people and those of people in spirit. The use of the words  

"the imagination and the power of a external thought coming into your mind has a definite speed..."

do well to portray how the discerning mind can be used to act as a clear channel for spirit!

These are qualities and aspiring medium should strive to reach and continuously aim to improve upon. It also indicates the importance of working on ones own development. Be it by oneself or in learning environment like a development circle for example. As one can make all the mistakes there before running around the planet spouting off what they believe to be accurate spirit communication etc. Far too many people are pushed on to the public stage, albeit be it with good intent before they are ready!

A couple of years ago I had opportunity to fledge at a student demonstration at a well known spiritualist centre in London, but bottled out at the last moment. Although I could establish good contact with spirit and was able to obtain extremely accurate information from them - somehow I knew I was not ready. Although (and I don't mean to sound ambiguous here) I had made and attempt at open platform at the very same venue several months beforehand. In itself that had been an incredible learning experience, as I had followed a lady (apparently a working medium) who had not been very successful during her demonstration and had found that the energy in the room had fallen as flat as a pancake. Following that you might imagine it was like drawing pins out of the proverbial haystack. I learnt that regardless of how well I thought of myself (egotistically) that it takes more than just ability to be able to successfully demonstrate ones prowess as a medium. Later in the session I was asked on to the stage again to work with the very same lady and with a psychic artist. I thought 'oh gawd' what have I let myself in for. We were asked by the president of the centre to work together and make 3 way links with spirit. Thankfully we got a couple of contacts through for some of the people in the audience, but it was still hard work all the same.

Just after the session ended and everyone had left the room the president asked me to stay behind and again invited me onto the platform. She invited me to sense and feel the differences in energy in the room and to make note of how it is important factor in working on the platform. What I had learnt was that as much as we are individuals that it is the group that makes the link, be it working with other mediums, spirit and the loving connection they have with the people in the audience. It is a collaborative effort, a shared experienced to be valued, enjoyed and respected. I feel that this little lesson also helps to illustrate the responsibility a medium has to themselves, to people in spirit and to their loved ones and friends here in this world.

Therefore all the gift and talent in the world pales into insignificance without the link of love.

Sorry if this sounds all wishy washy sentiment, but I feel you raised important points worth examining.

Stephen  

[Tayesin]

Hi Experimental,
The medium you asked the questions to provided the most clear answer I have heard in ages.

I was taught that the 'real' answer is the one that comes first, followed quickly by the input of my own mind.  This has proven itself to be the case over the years.

So I see the value of the words that medium used, it explains it beautifully.

Stephen,
I truly don't understand the need for platform work !  Yet I do see how popular it is at the local spiritual church here.  Seems so many people really want to hear from someone else what they could be taught to do for themselves by the same people they want to listen to.

I suppose it shows that we are slowly moving on and up, that more people are interested in the 'spiritual side of life'.  I must be impatient !  Can't seem to wait for the majority to take the next step towards their own empowerment.  Maybe it's because I haven't seen that much real growth (from my perspective) in the populations, well, not as much as i had hoped when I was a child.

So you feel okay now with the fear factor of working with larger crowds ?  That's one of my sticking points, don't really like doing crowds, much prefer one on one.  But, I see that platform work will force you to be what you are in order to provide the services needed.  That's gr8 too.

[Eol007]

Hi Tayesin,

Agree with what you say. Obviously I was only giving the platform example as an illustration from personal experience, and not every one should feel that they are to follow a trad route; be it platform, private sitting and healing etc. But then I am (as are you) not a toe the line SP traditional medium LOL!!!

What you say is key in today's age as mediumship should not be exclusive and controlled by the few - it is open to us all as part of the path (to be explored if wished so) home-wards.


Stephen  

[experimental]

yeah good debate ,

 i agree "   love "  is important to help a possible connection  with spirit , and i also like the idea that the medium told me , i found it  a exelent  opinion , and can see the sense in what she said ,

Anyone can sit there and imagine somthing  in their mind as a message their themselves may think there are makeing with  somthing beyond their own thaught process , but determinineing the speed of the thaught impact  does sound like a key possibility in identifying .

 And another good point is " the picture thaught activity "  , it sounds like some type of " third eye clairvoyant ability "  to be able to clear the mind and thwart the imagination  and allow  visions in to your mind  without interveneing thaughts and imaginitive states to get the better of you , to maybe come up with evidence to a sitter present .  

Its all very intersting


experimental