Zeta Project:- For discussion of Zeta's answers

[Edi]

Regarding Michal_E's question in the Conversation thread:

quote:
Could someone in contact with the zeta or a guide ask if an explaination addressing the shifting of the focus of your consciousness to a higher plane resulting in an AP in the simple way described by the zeta can be made available.

I can tell you of my latest experience... after working for 2 days with few sleep I lay in my bed and 'intuitively' (read: by guidance) did the following: I felt love in my heart, just as it was, then for a few seconds pulled myself together emotionally to feel bad, smaal, afraid and so on, just negative, I could feel and almost see my aura shrinking, and then again opened up and reached for love and it was like WOW... like I had stretched an emotional rubber band which then catapulted me right out of my body.
I don't suggest make feeling negativity a habit, as it's the opposite direction of where to go... it just amplified the effect here. I don't know how to call where I ended up, not RTZ, not conventional astral (where all those creepy things are supposed to be.. lol, never saw them), maybe 4th dimension, I'm not clear about all those different namings... I was in my room, could move things (this didn't reach over to physical though)... I'll do more experiments and let you know if I find something.

Probably the key to the 4th dimension is love and emotions... but I'm not sure about the lock and how to insert the key yet

goodnight,
 Edi

[no_leaf_clover]

Does anyone have any information on exactly how the mass deaths will occur? Is there a specific way to avoid death, or will death somehow pick and choose who it comes to?

[Tab]

omg is this like zeta hotline? Can I make a request?

They said they were aware of the content of the forum, so here goes

I've had dreams the last two nights about aliens. Weather this is just me filling my head with all of this crap, or it actually relates to these scenarios somehow, is unknown to me. I wonder if Zeta has anything to say on that :/

Also, the zetatalk site claims that actual control of psychokinetic abilities by humans in this round is impossible, and psychokenesis only manifests randomly or is uncontrollably triggered. They then mentioned that Yogis were using simple tricks to imitate PK. I personally find this erronous, since I've myself seen and done PK with friends. Not only that, but what HPB experienced in the far east must have been pretty damn spectacular for her to want to come back and write books like she did about it. So, what's with that?

Zeta also said that all our current concepts of God are off. I wonder if this includes the theosophic and vedic concepts of 'god' so to speak. I can't help but wonder how right or wrong HPB was in her writings.
And finally, I wonder what the zetas have to say about stuff like this :/

I'm not saying I buy into this stuff completely but I'm curious.

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:I'm not saying I buy into this stuff completely but I'm curious.

With all due respect to Mayatnik and others I think the jury's still out for me, too, but it's definitely and interesting subject. Before Goingslow was banned, I remember him telling me that the only problem he has with the channelings is that you can channel all sorts of beings from the astral that will tell you all sorts of things. It does, however, fit in with a lot of things I already believe and does seem to add more dimension to the ideas of Sitchin, etc.

[Edi]

Serenity1, you wrote

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These are my personal expereinces and reflect no critisism on any individual on this forum, as I enjoy Astral Pulse and the wealth of knoweledge I've found here.

Sorry but I just had to laugh here ))

Hey, just because there was some discussion about this lately this doesn't mean everyone has to include a disclaimer of this type.. as long as you're not deliberately attacking someone, feel free and safe to write whatever you care about! []

your questions will be dealt with soon

and sorry tab, I forgot your questions about pk, yogis and their tricks! I'll catch up with that too next time, promised

See you,
 Edi

[travelinbob]

no_leaf_clover and tab:

I agree with you 2. Like Mayatnik's first massive post says, the truth shall be known. So if these guys are for real, it will be known eventually. I'll keep my eye on them myself and make up my own mind. The channelling or telepathy is a tool that can be used for good or evil. Lets hope these guys aren't being manipulated by somebody out there. Or maybe someone in the astral is just pulling the biggest paractical joke in interdimensional history.[] But it could also be the real thing.

But if someone starts asking you to sell all your stuff and move out makes me wonder. Also all the doomsaying is not to my taste. Thank god I don't like kool aid.[] But I do have a pair of Adidas[xx(].

I hope they can come up with more concrete proof before its too late. The posts of the conversations are interesting, but they are not overwhelming evidence. And I do tend to give them the benefit of the doubt because of my own experience.

[Michael_E]

I was thinking about what you wrote and saw how it tied into a buddhist meditation i recently learned called loving-kindness. In this meditation you elicit the higher feeling loving-kindness through visualization, reflection and using a mantra(loving-kindness). I did this meditation upon going to sleep last night with a little twist steered toward stimulating an AP and got good results. I didnt get out but there was the ol' vibrations, lightness in the limbs and a deeper state of awarness.
  During the loving-kindness meditation i tried what you said about pulling together negative feelings and then reaching out of that back to love and felt the loving-kindness and deeper state of awareness multiplied. That method you suggested really seemed to be doing something and it felt more natural to me than some of the other techniques i had been trying.
I think the key here is the transferring to a higher state of consciousness, in both our cases it was love. Ap takes a transferring of the mind to a higher state of consciousness and so does the experience of love so i can see how one would lead to the other.
Thanks for sharing your experience it was very helpful in trying to understand a natural approach to ap.

quote:Originally posted by Edi

Regarding Michal_E's question in the Conversation thread:

quote:
Could someone in contact with the zeta or a guide ask if an explaination addressing the shifting of the focus of your consciousness to a higher plane resulting in an AP in the simple way described by the zeta can be made available.

I can tell you of my latest experience... after working for 2 days with few sleep I lay in my bed and 'intuitively' (read: by guidance) did the following: I felt love in my heart, just as it was, then for a few seconds pulled myself together emotionally to feel bad, smaal, afraid and so on, just negative, I could feel and almost see my aura shrinking, and then again opened up and reached for love and it was like WOW... like I had stretched an emotional rubber band which then catapulted me right out of my body.
I don't suggest make feeling negativity a habit, as it's the opposite direction of where to go... it just amplified the effect here. I don't know how to call where I ended up, not RTZ, not conventional astral (where all those creepy things are supposed to be.. lol, never saw them), maybe 4th dimension, I'm not clear about all those different namings... I was in my room, could move things (this didn't reach over to physical though)... I'll do more experiments and let you know if I find something.

Probably the key to the 4th dimension is love and emotions... but I'm not sure about the lock and how to insert the key yet

goodnight,
 Edi

[Michael_E]

quote:Michael_E: 1. The leaders of our nations make obtaining money a priority, according to them how much money a nation has or is worth is the main indicator of that nations development. What would be some good alternative priorities for our leaders to set,now, to more accurately measure a nations development?

Z: The way of living of its people would be a possible measure... meaning if they are cared for medically, if everyone has access to enough food and other basic things necessary for living. If all basic requirements are met, one could measure the amount of luxury, free time, culture, science etc., and maybe the amount of conflicts.

I thought this was an interesting answer since i had written a paper last semester on the topic of development and how it is measured which also included some discussion on the implications of defining progress or development in terms of net worth instead of access to basic necessities like: food, health, education. It just seems to make more sense to me to set health, and education and some kind of respect or social conscious as a priority as opposed to getting famous or rich, obtaining money at the expense of others.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover

Does anyone have any information on exactly how the mass deaths will occur? Is there a specific way to avoid death, or will death somehow pick and choose who it comes to?

One problem I have with all these supposed alien races speaking about mass deaths is how many people seem to unemotionally accept it.

We the white american middle class like to think the mass deaths will be in other countries and that america will be spared. That somehow all the deaths will be total strangers.

How would you feel if one of these aliens admitted to you that 1 of 3 americans would die and that most of your freinds and family were going to be among the dead? what if they told you that you were to be one of teh dead?

It's funny how so many of us imagine ourselves sitting atop a mountain all safe and content while the rest of humanity perishes in grusome and agonizing ways. Would you by chance be watching your enemies perish? Ahhh yes the joy of watching from afar your enemy dying painfully. hmmmmm, that reminds me, I heard a pastor once talk of how those takin in the rapture would be watching the deaths of those who were unsaved. I wonder what kind of person gets pleasure from watching anothers suffering.

Xander

[no_leaf_clover]

Xander - I don't like the fact that many people suffer at the times surrounding their deaths. However, it is my personal belief that death itself isn't as bad of a thing as people make it out to be or any 'end' to anything except your physical body and your experiences from it. The people that will die in upcoming events (who knows, maybe I'll die too!) will die more or less for a reason: ignorance. Though some of the deaths may be some pretty bad experiences, it's for the benefit of civilized life on Earth, unless you're one that likes what we've been doing to each other for the past thousands of years, and we have done much worse to ourselves.

I know it may sound heathen to those who aren't used to such things, but I've had lots of family members pass on, and it doesn't take me very long to accept it. There's really no reason for anyone to fret over things like that for any extended period of time in the first place, especially if the events haven't even happened yet! My own death isn't even of much concern to me. I simply want to get some things done before I die, and as long as I'm able to do that, I'm all up for eventual death. What scares me is the thought of never dying.

We just look at things differently, I guess.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover

Xander it is my personal belief that death itself isn't bad

It's not that I think death is in itself bad. I'm just annoyed by the level of apathy most people have towards one another.

Xander

[Sn0wball]

Xander, why are you talking like america is the whole world? [!] [V]

[Mrsix]

I'm curious, is this "Mass Death" supposed to mean a true death, a death of energy, when once it happens, there is no way of ascending into the astral, or other afterlife areas?
Because if it isn't, i'm not really bothered. We all gotta die sometime. If, however, I learn that this supposed Mass Death means a death of energy in all levels, than I'm gonn start to worry.
Not that I take any of this literally.
When I was a teenager, I used to play with the pendulum, until I learnt you actually subconciously will it to where you want it to go. So I take all this Zeta stuff with a pinch of salt.
There has been, and always will be, people saying "the end of the world is here! NO, there! Agh!"
If it will truly happen, I beleive we as a human collective will learn of it in our own way.
But, that is just my opinion.

Yep

Rob

[Nagual]

Why worry if it's the "ultimate death"...?  If it is, you won't be anymore so you won't have any regrets/thoughts/feelings/...

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:Originally posted by Mrsix

I'm curious, is this "Mass Death" supposed to mean a true death, a death of energy, when once it happens, there is no way of ascending into the astral, or other afterlife areas?

It will be only a physical death. I don't think consciousness can truly be destroyed, but who's to say? It's possible to avoid dying simply by moving away from any possible hazards once things are obviously going in a bad direction for Earth. Afterwards I'd be ready to see some things that haven't been seen on Earth in millenia []

[darkangel13]

i think we should all look at this in a positive way, like a beginning rather than an end, b/c i think i can safely say that if the ignorant die and the aware/enlightened live, the majority of the people on this forum would live[]...we should definitely just make sure to prepare: enlighten as many people as possible, make escape plans if things go bad in the areas where we live, and definitely watch for signs (in dreams, and in the physical)... i had a few dreams around may/june/july 2003 that i'm convinced have to do with the planet coming... in other words, just be prepared for what is to come, whatever that may be.
     -Kristina >^x^<

[bitkari]

i suspect that in any apocalypse, the split will be more along the lines of luck more than anything else.

[Van-Stolin]

Reading the latest chanelling from Edi, I can only ask more questions.

I recently found out that Atlantis might have actually been a part of South America.  A scientist (can't remember his name) made lots of measurements and compared everything to ruins that are found on a dried lake bed in South America and everything matches up perfectly, the place is also rich in Oricalcum, a rare ore of Gold, Copper and Tin.  Oricalcum was said to be in Atlantis, in Plato's journals.

[Mrsix]

Sorry everyone for going over old ground, but who exactly are the Nibiru? Are they the 'baddies'? They don't sound like a happy bunch..

I've typed them in the search, but there's just too much info to look for, so could someone be so kind as to wrap it all up in a brief nutshell???

Thanks []

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:Sorry everyone for going over old ground, but who exactly are the Nibiru? Are they the 'baddies'? They don't sound like a happy bunch..

I've typed them in the search, but there's just too much info to look for, so could someone be so kind as to wrap it all up in a brief nutshell???

Nibiru is a Sumerian 'word' meaning something like, as Zecharia Sitchin translates it, 'Planet of Crossing'. Nibiru is a 10th planet in our solar system that has the orbit of a comet and comes around every few thousand years. The Sumerians saw it when it last came around and wrote about it, and they were also in contact with extraterrestrials both from that planet and elsewhere. The Sumerians referred to the beings as the Annunaki, or something like 'those who from Heaven to Earth came'. The beings most described in Sitchin's books are the beings from Nibiru, which I guess you can call the Nibiruans. Sitchin refers to them as the Annunaki, though it may very well have been that 'Annunaki' was just a term used for any extraterrestrial race the Sumerians encountered.

The beings from Nibiru aren't out to get us, though from what I understand they are only being allowed to observe the events that will be coming up that will involve the Zeta, Pleiadians, and etc. because of things they were involved with in the past that concerned the human race. You can get much more detailed information from Sitchin's series of books, the Earth Chronicles.

[Mrsix]

Thanks alot, that clears up alot of questions i had...

Ta muchley!!!

What I don't understand is how an alien species so advanced couldnt actually create gold themselves, and instead had to mine it, but there you go...

Rob

[Hephaestus]

Sorry but its impossible for any form of intelligent animal life to survive on Nibiru, only forms of life would be microbal and even THEN its unlikely.

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:Sorry but its impossible for any form of intelligent animal life to survive on Nibiru, only forms of life would be microbal and even THEN its unlikely.

Nah. I've heard that a lot, and the truth is that not every planet in the universe that is capable of intelligent life is going to be exactly like Earth. If an Earth-like planet was orbiting at distances like the ones Nibiru does, sure, life as we know it would be very basic there. But with a different atmosphere, different mass, different amounts of thermal energy, etc., life would theoretically be able to survive in such a place, and that is exactly what Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian, and texts of other origins are pointing towards.

quote:What I don't understand is how an alien species so advanced couldnt actually create gold themselves, and instead had to mine it, but there you go...

Actually, they probably weren't as advanced as you may think. Our technology now is probably somewhere in the ball park of where their technology was back then. Give us about 100-200 years on our own (depending how fast breakthroughs in rocket fuel, etc. would come), and we would be right on the tails of where they were back in these biblical times. It was the Zeta who had tech enough racked up to build the Pyramids and other huge structures that we can't rebuild with modern equipment.

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
It was the Zeta who had tech enough racked up to build the Pyramids and other huge structures that we can't rebuild with modern equipment.

We could rebuild them with our modern equipment or without it given enough manpower and money and the desire to do it. But today slavery isn't in vogue so it would cost quite a bit of money for all the thousands needed to be employed etc.

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:We could rebuild them with our modern equipment or without it given enough manpower and money and the desire to do it. But today slavery isn't in vogue so it would cost quite a bit of money for all the thousands needed to be employed etc.

It may be technically possible for the whole human race to rebuild them, but practically it is impossible and will never happen. If you don't believe that then we can wait until they are rebuilt exactly as they are now. If we, in our modern culture that totally blows Ancient Egypt out of the water, would have that much trouble so as to make it impossible for all intents and purposes, you can imagine how much trouble an ancient civilization consisting of only about 1 or 2 million people would have. Also, the methods archaeologists believe the Egyptians used to move the blocks onto the pyramid are quite retarded if you look into it (There are no records on how the pyramids were built, and hence archaeologists can only guess based on what primitive tools the Egyptians may have had. These theorized tools, though theoretically efficient for their size and ease of use, would probably not aid much in the construction of structures of this magnitude. On top of this, how the blocks were set into place as the Pyramids ascend are highly controversial.).

When you take into consideration the great sophistication of the Great Pyramids, and compare to the methods and people that supposively made them, things don't match up....

When dated, the upper half of at least one Great Pyramid was dated approximately 1000 years older than the bottom half. Not only can this be an indication of faulty methods of determining age, it may be an indication that some sort of radiation was once emitted or harness into the Pyramids.

As has been mentioned in a separate post in the Astral Chat section, there are references to both the Pyramids and the Sphinx in a Stela from the era of Khufu, and the source of this information has been successfully dated and deemed authentic. Other than this, there apparently aren't many other references to the Great Pyramids from the Egyptians themselves, besides maybe a passing mention. Sort of strange, since they supposively built them, eh?

And, as you may have already heard, the Pyramids lined up perfectly with Orion's Belt in the year 10,500 BC. This was much earlier than the dates mainstream archaeology will give you on the dates these Pyramids were built on. Yet, in this year precisely, the Pyramids match up perfectly with the stars of Orion's Belt.

The two bigger Pyramids also line up with other ancient sites of biblical importance. A mountain that some believe to be the mountain from which Moses received the twelve commandments is hit precisely by the imaginary line one can extend from the two bigger Great Pyramids. From here, it doesn't stop. The line hits precisely on an important ancient Sumerian city, and the exact importance can be gathered from reading Sitchin's books. Through other geometric features, the Pyramids also relate directly into a grid that consists of Jerusalem and a great oracle site sacred to the ancient Greeks, among a couple other important biblical sites that I fail to remember. If you wish to know more about this, or attack it if you must, I suggest you flip through the closing two chapters of Sitchin's Stairway to Heaven as this does a much better job of explaining than I do, unless you would have me post the chapters on this forum (which I have more or less already done for you, and you can find this in the book reviews section).

Further, the Great Pyramids, aside from being by far the greatest pyramids at Giza, are the only pyramids there free of Egyptian hieroglyphics. The only hieroglyphics found are obvious forgeries made by a frustrated man from merry old England, as is also documented in the posting of sections from Sitchin's second Earth Chronicles book in the book reviews section.

The statues and monuments honoring pharaohs that can be found about the Great Pyramids should not be surprising. Many pharaohs built minor pyramids, the smaller 'fake' ones that skirt around the bases of the more sophisticated ones. In lack of such pyramids for rulers such as Khufu, a Great Pyramid is associated with Khufu. But in light of all this other evidence, would it not be likely for Khufu to, instead of building his own smaller pyramid, associate his name with a Great Pyramid by adorning it with his statue? Surely he would not have a means of building such considerably larger structures and then not hand them over to his successor, and yet the following pyramids seem to diminish in technology, all except for the other two Great Pyramids, of course. And when and why did three separate Pharaohs decide to collaborate (from the dead it seems!) to make their Pyramids form the pattern of the stars in Orion's Belt, or more impossible, the pattern of stars in Orion's Belt as seen in 10,500 BC?

And, the only corpses that ever came to rest within any of the Great Pyramids came there by forced entries into those pyramids. It is well known that the actual supposed pharaohs of the eras supposed to be those in which the pyramids were built were buried some distance away, and there is no evidence that they were ever implanted into any of the Great Pyramids.

In light of this information, surely along with more that I am currently unaware of, I would like to think most people would at least suspect there to be more that we are not told by mainstream archaeology. I would also like to think that in light of all of this and more, others would catch on and spread the information out of curiousity and wonder, for these things are surely not so easily explained or accounted for as of yet! Whether or not we can rebuild them is trivial. I can tell you it will not happen and I suppose you can determine that much on your own.