Zeta stuf ...do you all believe in that?

[MJ-12]

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[Tarot]

I havent read any of the Zeta stuff that I keep hearing but I have never heard of them and any consciousness that uses "Fear" is not one to be trusted. For we are the "Light" and all the "Love " we will ever need.

Peace, Light and Love

P.S. Aliens is not a context to be used when one has achieved the Understanding that we are all "One." For how can one alienate it's self from itself?

[Edi]

MJ-12, stretching the mind would be important for some people. Not in order to believe things, but to stop obsessively disbelieving things. As an example, when in former times women used herbs for medical purposes, and people in general were not able to accept the fact that a simple plant could determine illness or health, those women were burnt as witches. People rather liked to have a 'god' be responsible for their health than themselves, so they essentially shut their eyes and gave away responsibility. Your quote maybe distorts the Zetas' message a bit... we just don't know what is happening on this world on a larger scale, and shouldn't be led to neither blind trust in nor blind fear of whatever.

Tarot, if you don't read the Zeta stuff at all, how can you then say they "use Fear"? Words do not transmit fear, they only let the fear and confusion surface which is already there in a person. How can information (i.e. words), of whatever origin, stir up fear in you, if you are all light and love, as you say? Where does this fear come from originally?

If you say to a small child "I'll now open the tap and let the water flow until the world drowns!" it will probably be afraid - unless it knows that there's nothing to be afraid of. Fear is only lack of knowledge and understanding. I ask you to bear this in mind when you approach unknown and strange material. If it fits - why not. If it doesn't fit - dismiss it, nothing to fear.

Edi

[Celeste]

Hi Mustardseed
 I enjoy reading your posts btw!

I don't believe the Zeta stuff is channeled from aliens. Chances are it is lower astral entities at best.(worst) I've worked with both pendulums and rods also--introduced to that about 8yrs ago. I don't use them too much on-- a rare occasion if at all.

 I've not read any original messages in it or any of the Pleidian material. As always, I only want contact with my Higher Self/GodSelf anyway.


 Celeste

[wantsumrice]

i ask you: why do you think that it is so farfetched? why do you not believe that the mind can handle such things? do we so fully understand the mind and brain that we can determine that these 'zeta' are fake? who are we to say that all this is fake? who are we to say that chicken tastes like chicken and that the newpaper you held this morning was 'real'? what makes YOU believe that we dont need guidance? what makes you believe that we-are-so-great? when was it said that the zeta told us to kill our pets? why do you fear these creatures?

all this leads to, what do YOU believe life is all about? what is its purpose? why are we here?

with complete sincerity and respect,
~ivan

[MJ-12]

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[wantsumrice]

ahha great questions my friend, i would take teh time and answer them right now but i have ahead of me at least 2 hours of homework and its 10:30 pm.

just think about these questions: why do you keep asking about things that you are not needed to know about?

~ivan

[MJ-12]

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[wantsumrice]

My question there was directed to the questions that you asked me. About all the projects and whatnot...they are not important. What is important is how you perceive things. I understand that you are skeptic about the whole zeta deal, but why fear them? There is no point in fearing anything for that matter. It is your ego that is speaking, and we must look past that and you must feel your innerself...therein lie the answers to all your questions.

If you question their credibility what else is there needed to know? ALL information has been given to you, you just need to search for it around the site. Questioning the zeta seems like the new trend here at AP, and i dont understand why? I ask you, Why do you question their credibility? Why not just embrace it and follow what your intuition tells you!

I KNOW what life is all about, and i do not need reminders. Of course there is middle ground for skepticism. It is healthy, and it is the only way that one grows.

You ask me if i accept these? I go by my intuition and i do not accept nor deny the zeta, i understand their purpose here and i understand my purpose here, and that is all there is to know. Anything else is really...i dont want to say unimportant but i say it. You think that because all they say is love and compassion that i believe them? I have grown to take nothing personally so i will not respond. That just undermines my intelligence.

My friend, they are ready for any question you throw at them, it is the question of 'are you ready to accept the answer?'

I am truly interested to know why you fear them? is it because you do not know them well? is it because they are the unknown?

embrace all my friends!
~ivan

[cainam_nazier]

I keep an open ear on the topic just in case it all turns out to be ture.  I find myself wondering if it is true but at the saem time not really wanting to believe it.

My problem comes with the information and answers given to all of our questions.  I either already know the information or expected the kind of responce given.  This keeps me bother wondering and disbelieving at the same time.  

The problem is I don't know where, why, or how I know most of this information.  It's possible that I know it because it is the same kind or argument I would use if I was trying to dupe everyone into believing all of this.  But it is also possible that I already know all of this because of outside sources.  That being I was shown or given this information through what ever means so that I am prepared for when it happens.  The other possibility is that I have read more than I realize on the subject and hence no new information is being presented.  

Of course it's possible that I am an alien and just don't know it.[)]

[James S]

The thing I find interesting here is that whenever anyone is sceptical about the validity of the messages we might be getting from aliens, they start going into a whole list of questions, usually either to try and validate all the same old conspiracy theories, or to be told how the universe works.

We could perhaps consider the Zetas as being like the researchers of the cosmos, spending their time travelling around on field studies learning what they can about all the different star systems and lifeforms.

Consider a Zeta then to be like a PhD student, and we are in our first year at college. So we go up to the PhD student and ask them a whole load of questions about what it is they are studying. First of all They've spent a great deal of time and effort committed to their studies, and they've worked hard for the answers that they now have. They're not going to give all the answers away to the first snot-nosed little college kid that comes up and demands to know everything. Second, what information they do give out is likely to be for the most part above our level of understanding.

So if the PhD student turns out to be a kindly person and expresses an interest in teaching us, they'd pretty much have to start from the very beginning to build up a foundation of knowledge bit by bit until we have some chance of grasping what it really is they are doing.

Unfortunately there seems to be some people talking to Zetas or Pleiadans who don't really understand what it is they are doing (don't worry Edi, I'm not talking about you, just take a wander through the internet and you'll see what I mean), and instead of taking the time to listen to their "teacher" and learn bit by bit from the bottom up, they start making up their own interpretations that end up being complete nonsense.

Regards,
James.

[MJ-12]

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[Edi]

Hi,

I think James made a valiable point with his comparison... but the explanation using "snot-nosed" was a bit off probably

quote:
Personally, I would not spend much time talking to someone who sees me as a snot nose for asking questions. I would want to move on and try to attain access to the Akashic Records. Keep working hard on self and ego and keep moving on.

I talk to them only for answering questions on this forum. But people rather ask questions about conspiration theories than about their self and ego... well it's okay. don't complain that the zetas spread conspiration theories if you ask them for it []
Telepathy isn't so straightforward to do.. using the comparison from James in a different sense (someone worded it already that way, I think noleafclover if I remember right): telepathy is like explaining a book of stephen hawking using words of a 4 year old... so it needs some work and understanding if one wants to answer some of the questions posed here in some detail.

Questioning the zetas is no problem. They don't regard you as snot-nosed, and are willing to answer every question posed on this forum.

quote:
Irrespective of question a true teacher would start at the beginning...if they truly cared or if they truly understood.

That's why the whole pendulum/guide issue in the beginning is not about answering questions (about conspiration theories et al.), but about work on self and ego, and trying to move on, step by step. You don't have to be "worthy" for answers, mj-12. And I think ivan doesn't believe all the zetas say, but lets them be and answer questions if they want, and lives his live seperately from that.

Edi

[timeless]

quote:Originally posted by Edi


Telepathy isn't so straightforward to do.. using the comparison from James in a different sense (someone worded it already that way, I think noleafclover if I remember right): telepathy is like explaining a book of stephen hawking using words of a 4 year old...

Bologny.  Many married couples who do not study esoteric stuff at all experience telepathy between each other. I a not talking about familiarity.  I am talking about she realizes she needs eggs.  He's in the car without his cellphone but he knows to pick up eggs. It is a natural occurance as we get in tune.  It is more what we get in tune with that is the question.

Saying telepathy is like explaining Stephen Hawkings using 4 year old language is ego talking.  I have a gift I am special you simpltons cannot understand.  I have a lot of telepathic ability and see zero special in it.  Actually if anything it is a good test of ego.  

[Edi]

quote:
Bologny. Many married couples who do not study esoteric stuff at all experience telepathy between each other. I a not talking about familiarity. I am talking about she realizes she needs eggs. He's in the car without his cellphone but he knows to pick up eggs. It is a natural occurance as we get in tune. It is more what we get in tune with that is the question.

Yes. Everyone experiences this from time to time probably.

quote:
Saying telepathy is like explaining Stephen Hawkings using 4 year old language is ego talking. I have a gift I am special you simpltons cannot understand. I have a lot of telepathic ability and see zero special in it. Actually if anything it is a good test of ego.

YES, it is nothing special. I agree. I NEVER said "I have a gift I am special you simpletons cannot understand" or similar. I don't say I'm special, it's just that in order to have proper conversations one maybe needs a little bit of training, nothing more. Or I need this training, maybe it's much easier for others. It's not so straightforward for me and needed time to develop. Okay? It's no gift I have, everyone can do this.

Is accusing others of ego talking ego talking, too?

Love,
 Edi

[timeless]

Edi,

If you cannot see the ego in the comments you support and perpetuate then you are bound to get lost in the muttle of ego.  

It takes a theif that knows a lot about being a theif to catch a theif.  

[MJ-12]

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[James S]

quote: by Timeless:
I am very disappointed.

quote: by Edi:
but the explanation using "snot-nosed" was a bit off probably

Ok, I stand suitably chastised [:I]

Just a more colourful metaphore that gives an idea of how many higher academics view the know-nothings...erm...the less intellig...aah...the pimply faced little...oh Bollocks!

I'm just going to sit and cower in the corner here for a bit.

James

[James S]

Ok, enough cowering...

quote:By Timeless:
Many married couples who do not study esoteric stuff at all experience telepathy between each other. I a not talking about familiarity. I am talking about she realizes she needs eggs. He's in the car without his cellphone but he knows to pick up eggs. It is a natural occurance as we get in tune.

This is close, but not quite. Mind you I do believe it works in different ways with different people - due to their mental makeup, but if I may give some examples of my own experiences here:
No?
Well tough, I'm going to anyway! []

My wife and I have a very close connection with respect to Timeless'ss's...ss (thorry, thtuck on the etheth) example. We've flummoxed family members a number of times when we speak to each other in half sentences, because we seem to 'know' what the other is saying. And the picking up the eggs thing? we so do that!

My wife also has a strong connection to her sister. This connection could only be described as telepathic, and very similar to that shared by twins.

Now me, I've had some abilities as an empath for as long as I can remember. What I find different about the communication I have with an alien guide, is that not only does my empathic skills seem to be running at full power, I 'audibly' hear the voice, like someones stuck a small speaker inside my head - pretty much top dead centre.

How do I know it is an external entity and not just my own mind?
Believe me, I've been thrashing this one out for weeks. What it comes down to is the feelings associated with the voice. It's a non visual version of watching someone's body language when you're talking to them. When its the voice of my own thoughts, there is none of the empathic imput present. When my guide is speeking, I feel her emotions as much as I hear her words.

Well, I thought I was merrily off on a complete tangent here, but looking at Mustard's opening line down below this stuff I'm typing, it's kind of in line with his question.

Kind regards,
James.

[Tayesin]

Hi.

It may look quite foolish of me to have left with the 'I'm leaving post' and then come in occassionaly to post again, but that is something I am happy to live with. LOL  I do have some concerns here which is why I do come in from time to time.

This is the basis of my first concern......
During my life I have had contact both physical and astral with the race known as the Zeta.  And I can tell you that they are not what is being put across in the Project.  From my life experience with this race, I can tell you that they are drone like workers, not highly advanced beings.  In fact, when I have seen them going about their tasks they are always accompanied by at least one or more of the taller pale grey, almost white, coloured types (don't know what they are called).  These taller ones are the advanced, intelligent type that are the overseer's of the worker drones. So how can the Zeta also be the spiritually advanced beings that are supposedly in telepathic communications here ?

I agree with James about the ways to know that you are receiving telepathic communications from your Guide(s), as this has also been my experience.  I have met mine face to face and felt them, after this it is very simple to recognize them when they enter into telepathic communication with me.  

So this brings me to my next concern............
I know from direct and lengthy face to face experience with my main Guide that it is my higher-self, I know this to be a valid truth as far as my extensive history of contact has proven to me.  This also applies to my helper Guides (one who  is an alien), who I have met repeatedly face to face.  Here I read of people being assigned Guides by someone who they have never met, neither have they truly met these Guides for themselves.  Therefore these people DO NOT KNOW who or what these enities really are, nor do they know the agenda of these entities.  It is simply being accepted as a 'wow' experience and taken as a leap forward in their personal spiritual growth.

MJ-12 brought up a very important point that has been completely ignored in all these threads.  And this brings me to my next concern..............
The research group I am currently president of has had many interesting reports etc, about what can be called Psychotronic experimentation.  A number of governments including the US has been playing with this technology for many many years.  In simplified terms, it is essentially a process where mental concepts and communications are broadcast out into the Earth's standing magnetic wave and are then picked up by sensitives and others who are susceptable to the input. (MJ, is that a reasonable explanation?)
Furthermore, this is probably describing the far older versions of this technology.  When you add the abilities of Remote viewing and communications to this technology, it is very easy to see that what is happening here may well be exactly this process in action.

My next concern is...............
This project has very quickly gained so much momentum and a lot of support,that has on ocassions been hostile to the other members who question it's validity.  This is an indication that something is not all light and love, and yet the 'followers' have not bothered to question this one little bit.  This is one reason why it seems a little 'cultish'.

Another is the rhetoric that is used by the project members to validate the process and it's nature as being good for humanity.  This is so very reminiscent of the many cults that have gained momentum in similar ways.  All answers are generalized, all member responses are generalized arguments that do not sway anyone with a genuinely inquiring attitude.  In fact it has reverted to the old cult standard of, "Well if you don't agree just leave". I have to ask why this is ?

Next is that it seems that questions are not readily tolerated if they want very specific answers to very specific questions that will TEST the answer Provider's knowledge base and skill.  This rings alarm bells for me.  And I agree again with MJ on this point, why avoid the hard questions if the intent is for the betterment of humanity?  Any teacher worth their 'status' as a teacher will always go the hard yards with any and all students if they truly desire the preffered outcomes.  

And this applies to Aliens as well, this I also know to be true from specific meetings with a number of different races in the astral RTZ of their councils. You may think that statement is bovine excrement and you are entitled to your opinion, yet let me assure you that you have no concept of what I do in some of my work here and in other places.

Another concern is that the moderators should in their capacity tell everyone to question this as much as possible.  They above all should understand the importance of hard questioning in order to get to the bottom of this phenomena, as their credibility is on the line here.  If it were my professional credibiltiy on the line I would be trying to discover exactly what was behind this before giving it so much freedom and extra room on this forum.

Well, I am done again. Another two point five cents worth.

Love Always.[]

[James S]

Another 2.5 cents worth Tayesin? Nah, at least three cents worth there! That was some good solid common sense and wisdom.

In respect to your points about questioning, I am at a situation now where the Pleiadian that has been assigned to me as a guide has now put her foot down and stated quite clearly that I am either going to have to give up any of my suspicions and doubts and completely trust her before we can move ahead any, or I need to walk away now.

There are a lot of conflicting emotions here, and my intuition seems to be locked out of this one. It is not a decision I will lightly make unless I can know without any doubt whatsoever exactly who and what she is.

A teacher has the right to know if a student is willing to trust them. A student has the right to know if the teacher can be trusted.

Kind regards,
James.

[Squeek]

OOf James... that's quite the conundrum of a question to be asked [:O]

I have no idea what I would say if the same happened to me....  Take your time [8D]

~Squeek

[MJ-12]

bnm

[Soulfire]

quote:Originally posted by MJ-12


James, your guide sounds very controlling and manipulative, and definitely not sensitive to your human mental need for discernment. But you're in the best position to know what's really going on, so that's all I'll say.

That would seem to be true if you take the situation as described by James at only face value.  The complete and accurate picture of anything is rarely seen by looking only at the surface.  Consider the likelihood that there is something deeper to this situation than was expressed in James' statement.

--Soulfire

[MJ-12]

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