Extra-terrestrials (watch the videos before voting).

[Tiny]

If you want to see some terrific UFO shots, go to google and type in "punch hole cloud".

There you can see the photon-cloaked saucer/oval/arrow/cylindric ships parking in the sky with their huge electromagnetic field sucking the moisture from the cloudlayer above right underneath them.

[Questioner]

"First contact" happened a long time ago.

Remember,alot of use missed it,and still are skeptical about aliens making contact in anyway.

[Yamabushi]

Remember,alot of use missed it,and still are skeptical about aliens making contact in anyway.

I remember. But it doesn't matter and it doesn't change the fact.

[Dusty2010]

Different species seem to have an interest in this planet for several reasons. The greys have been conducting biological and genetic tests for thousands of years. There are hundreds of reported bases underground used by various governments and other species of aliens. It may even be possible that the center of the earth is hollow and contains advanced technology and cities. The only way to get there is through an underground base or volcano using a UFO.

Wouldn't a possible way of access be through using AP?  I've never even heard of this theory but one of my reasons for wanting to be able to have a conscious OBE was to visit the center of the planet.

[zareste]

I've read a lot about hollow planet theories, and they just seem wrong next to seismology data. People have seen wide underground places with an apparent 'star' in the center, but those are just big caverns inside the crust and the stars are artificial. (still an interesting sight, but not a hollow planet)

I think it's possible that the iron core is hollow, as no seismic waves seem to go through it (which is perhaps more indicative of a hollow object than a solid one), and Earth has a constant 'ringing' coming from somewhere. I imagine the only entrance would have to be a vortex

Heck, maybe it would be fun to astral project down there. Dangerous, though. You might want a subterranean guide to go along, and one that you trust

[Dusty2010]

I've read a lot about hollow planet theories, and they just seem wrong next to seismology data. People have seen wide underground places with an apparent 'star' in the center, but those are just big caverns inside the crust and the stars are artificial. (still an interesting sight, but not a hollow planet)

I think it's possible that the iron core is hollow, as no seismic waves seem to go through it (which is perhaps more indicative of a hollow object than a solid one), and Earth has a constant 'ringing' coming from somewhere. I imagine the only entrance would have to be a vortex

Heck, maybe it would be fun to astral project down there. Dangerous, though. You might want a subterranean guide to go along, and one that you trust

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm new at this. 

Why would it be dangerous?

[zareste]

It's just unfamiliar territory, and I hear a lot about astral predators down there, not to mention underground bases whose inhabitants might not want people to find them

But I'm just the cautious type.

[Dusty2010]

It's just unfamiliar territory, and I hear a lot about astral predators down there, not to mention underground bases whose inhabitants might not want people to find them

But I'm just the cautious type.

This is a dumb question but...  astral predators?  Like who/what?  I've never had a self-induced OBE, so I'm not familiar with this stuff.  Another thing is can the inhabitants of these bases (human or non) really detect that someone is present but only in mind?

[zareste]

They can, yeah, and some might treat you like a trespasser, so a guide is always handy.

I'm not very good at projecting, myself, so perhaps the others on this board could help more

[Dusty2010]

They can, yeah, and some might treat you like a trespasser, so a guide is always handy.

I'm not very good at projecting, myself, so perhaps the others on this board could help more

Ah.  If anyone else wants to contribute, that would be great!  I've personally wanted to go to the earths core since I heard about AP...  I'm glad I didn't just fly on down there and get hurt.  Which brings up another question, can you really get "hurt" during a projection?    I was always under the assumption that you were basically just something that exists but takes up no space, so you couldn't really be injured?

[Sadd-e Eskandar]

Maybe the beings inhabiting the earth's core, or the beings down under living inside those underground bases have the technology to track back to your body, your astral body and kidnap you.  I don't think you are keen on getting probed   .

[CFTraveler]

Ah.  If anyone else wants to contribute, that would be great!  I've personally wanted to go to the earths core since I heard about AP...  I'm glad I didn't just fly on down there and get hurt.  Which brings up another question, can you really get "hurt" during a projection?    I was always under the assumption that you were basically just something that exists but takes up no space, so you couldn't really be injured?

Only mentally/emotionally- it would depend on how stable you are in the first place.

I have projected underground (RTZ), but found nothing but dirt, rocks, caves & a molten core.  You know, nothing interesting.

I have also projected to the astral underworld (which is a different thing) and wasn't attacked, but I had guides with me.  Sorry for such a boring answer.

[Dusty2010]

Only mentally/emotionally- it would depend on how stable you are in the first place.

I have projected underground (RTZ), but found nothing but dirt, rocks, caves & a molten core.  You know, nothing interesting.

I have also projected to the astral underworld (which is a different thing) and wasn't attacked, but I had guides with me.  Sorry for such a boring answer.

That's what I wanted to hear, to be honest 

[Tiny]

I have projected underground (RTZ), but found nothing but dirt, rocks, caves & a molten core.  You know, nothing interesting.

That's reality fluctuation by expectation according to Robert Bruce.



The hollow earth is real and modern mainstream-science has no authority to tell anyone otherwise with their severely-flawed but creative theories which they like to impose over everyone as facts, their ignorance and arrogance is of pure ludicrousness.

[CFTraveler]

That's reality fluctuation by expectation according to Robert Bruce.



The hollow earth is real and modern mainstream-science has no authority to tell anyone otherwise with their severely-flawed but creative theories which they like to impose over everyone as facts, their ignorance and arrogance is of pure ludicrousness.

So what you're saying is that if my observation supports modern science it's flawed, but if it supports an alternative theory it's true?
Really?
First of all, when I went underground it was indeed an RTZ projection that went wrong- When I separated I 'fell through' the bed and went down instead of up.  I was not planning to go there and had no expectations.  However, I found it so distasteful that I almost bolted all the way through, just stayed long enough to experience all this oppressiveness.

Now, if you choose to believe one source over another, it's your problem, and shows where your prejudices lie.

[Tiny]

So what you're saying is that if my observation supports modern science it's flawed, but if it supports an alternative theory it's true?
Really?
First of all, when I went underground it was indeed an RTZ projection that went wrong- When I separated I 'fell through' the bed and went down instead of up.  I was not planning to go there and had no expectations.  However, I found it so distasteful that I almost bolted all the way through, just stayed long enough to experience all this oppressiveness.

Now, if you choose to believe one source over another, it's your problem, and shows where your prejudices lie.

My dear,

I'm a hobby researcher and the evidence is all clear no matter how many lies NASA and other hoaxy space-organizations keep telling about what the aurora-borealis is or what the polar entrance-holes they have photographed are.

On the other hand, there's absolutely no evidence supporting the idea that the Earth is of a molten-core, it's a pure made up fantasy just like many other theories modern mainstream science considers as "facts".

One thing I'm sure you can relate to is how our phony-mainstream-science believes that dimensions are defined by the number of dimensions of an object, saying the 4th dimension for example would contain objects having 4 dimensions. You and I know this is complete bovine excrement and people throughout time have travelled the Etheric/RTZ Astral and Mental planes knowing exactly what the higher dimensions are and how they look like. This is just another example of the many severe flaws of our phony-mainstream-science and their creativity. They don't even listen to people and their experiences with the higher dimensions.


There are two types of humans. The elite and the population of dumb-peasants. The ruling elite consider us nothing but dumb sheep who need to be handled.
The upper echelon of the elite hold the true scientific-knowledges about space and esoterics, utilizing it for their highly advanced technologies (that would solve all of the populations' problems of today by the way) while we, the peasants get a fraction of all this with a deceptive twist to it.
We are virtually slaves to the nobility just like hundred years ago now just worthy enough to live in order to feed the rich and it has always been that way. Only fools assume that this has changed throughout modern history.

Knowledge in today's world is scarred by many controlled organizations such as NASA whose primary objective is to blanket and twist the truth so the populations can be held at the desired low level of intellect and materialism.
Many NASA employees should know very well that the Earth is hollow, especially the ones who regularily photoshop out unidentified objects (including the polar entrances ) from space, earth moon etc. that do not match the modern-phony-scientific world-view that the elite want the people to believe in.

If the elite could, they would probably have the people of today believe that the Earth is a disc. It is only because of the few brave pioneers who have always been laughed at and ridiculed, that we know some fundamental things today.

Now that that's said I hope you'll get my sense  

[Sadd-e Eskandar]

What do you think the aurora - borealis is?

[JaxV]

So wheres your proof Tiny?

And heres me thinking letting go of the ego was part of becoming elightened....

[Stookie]

I can only imagine the reality fluctuations that those expectations will cause.

[Dusty2010]

So wheres your proof Tiny?

And heres me thinking letting go of the ego was part of becoming elightened....

This.  It's not that I doubt you tiny, but you're claiming there's little proof for a molten core...  Well where's proof that there's not?  You talked a lot about there not being one but I'd like to see some concrete evidence before I make my decision.

[CFTraveler]

Tiny, believe me when I tell you that I do not automatically dis-believe anything, and at the same time I don't automatically believe anything either.  I understand what you are saying about 'dumb peasants' and 'ruling elite', but realize also that today's 'dumb peasants' are tomorrow's 'ruling elite'.
Some of the information for the 'hollow earth' theories originally came from the same organizations that used to be the 'ruling elite', if you look into it.  The sources that promote these theories are not the same sources that created it.
I'm not going to get into an argument about what theories are true and what theories are made up- you obviously have made up your mind about it, but what disturbs me, not about your specific posts, is the attitude of some here that automatically assign disbelief to anything that even smells scientific, and automatically believe anything that sounds alternative.
This to me is being as vulnerable and easy to manipulate as anyone who automatically believes anything the 'ones who are in charge' say, and there is no telling what the truth is.
But if logic tells you that molten cores produce electromagnetism, something you can prove by doing an experiment on your own,
and someone is telling you that the earth is hollow and there is a physical hell where people who are evil die and go to, which is btw the first documented source of this theory, to promote their own ideology, well, I know who I'm going to believe.
That doesn't mean again that everything the scientific community says is right- they prove it's not every time someone discovers something new, and old scientific theories get thrown out the window all the time.
But that doesn't mean that some basic theories are wrong either, just because the majority of professionals think it is.

[Stillwater]

but what disturbs me, not about your specific posts, is the attitude of some here that automatically assign disbelief to anything that even smells scientific, and automatically believe anything that sounds alternative.

Indeed, they are both forms of indoctrination. The healthy tendency that the critics of each knowledge base should maintian is skepticism, not to be confused with closed-mindedness.

[Ignazio]

I do not believe one bit, that Aliens Exist!

[AmbientSound]

I believe in the possibility that other sentient and non-sentient extraterrestrial beings exist, based solely on the law of probability and the fact that there are infinite probabilities. Though I have never met any myself, I know someone who claims to channel them. There was also an article somewhat recently about Bulgarian scientists actually communicating with ETs through pictures. I cannot vouch for its credibility however, because I could never know if it really happened or not unless I was there to see it with my own eyes (not to mention that it could have  been some hackers just looking for a cheap laugh!).

[Ten]

Just my ten pence worth, but rather then arguing about the validity of one method over another eg science/alternative, we should be focussed and all have the same goal in mind. We should present the info we have meticulously. We should state where this info comes from. We should be able to back up our claims with evidence (of whatever stripe) and we should all be united in intelligent and informed debate about this information.

We are all obviously very curious people with a desire to get to the truth of a matter. We are served much better in this purpose if we can remove our emotions and ego from these debates and keep our goal THE TRUTH in mind at all times.

I have no personal experience of UFO's except that two of my closest friends claim to have seen two glowing orange crosses performing mind boggling aerial feats in the sky. They were out in the garden smoking a cigarette when they saw this and shouted and screamed for the rest of us to come and have a look. When I got outside there was nothing there. But seconds later (and this I did see) two RAF tornado jets screamed over head in the direction my friends were pointing.

My immediate response was to seperate my two freinds. I then proceeded to interview them in detail about what they saw. They both told the EXACT same story.

I have known these two people for a very long time and have no reason to believe they would try to decieve me.
I believe they saw what they said they saw.

Is this definitive proof for the existence of ET's? certainly not. But it is food for thought.

This coupled with probabilty theory leads me to suspect that there may well be other advanced forms of life in the galaxy. However without conclusive evidence the jury for me (as always) remains well and truly out.