Mormons baptizing dead Jews

[no_leaf_clover]

Proxy baptisms? This is the first I've heard of this and yet apparently its been going on for a while now. This is a good example of why any religious fundamentalism is bad. x.x

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/050415/mormons.shtml

[Shinobi]

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[no_leaf_clover]

Hi nlc,

It IS quaint, but I'm not sure why it's bad - at worst, it's simple foolishness, and at best they might be really helping some folks in the here after.   Where's the harm?  Just curious.

Take care,

Shinobi

Personally, I rather thought it was stupid to the point of being hilarious, but I know I should dare not say that when there are Holocaust victims involved (which I wasn't aware of at first anyway).

But, I suppose digging up anyone posthumously is pretty disrespectful, and for such reasons seems to just make it even more disrespectful (arrogantly assuming your religion to be so right as to justify digging up the bodies of others).

Besides the total disrespect though, there's also potential emotional distress to living family. I would find it rather disturbing to learn a close relative's body had been dug up and messed with, but maybe that's just me. Besides that, like I said, I found it funny from being such a stupid thing to do. Strange mixed feelings from me, I guess.

[Shinobi]

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[Shinobi]

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[Adun]

"stupid to the point of being hilarious"

My thoughts exactly.

[Hans Solo]

No harm is done, and they are only wasting their time and money so no big deal.  However, I didn't know Hitler was a Mormon

Han Solo

[James S]

Nah, Hitler wasn't mormon, Ghengis Khan was. That's why he was so feared - the chinese lived in mortal fear of his pamphlets.  

Hmmm...Buddha being posthumously baptised as a mormon?
Ok, so does that mean next time I see a monk in orange / yellow robes riding around near home on a pushbike I should pretend like I'm not home?


James.

[no_leaf_clover]

Hey NCL,

Now I see your concern, but they're not desacrating a corpse.  It's a proxy process - a name is forwarded to whomever is doing this, and they go through the baptismal process FOR the deceased.  No one is dug up - that would be especially creepy.

So now I understand your concern.  Thanks!

Shinobi

Ohhhhh lmao.

Yeah that would explain my concern.

btw thanks for making that clear for me.

[Leyla]

I'll tell you a few things about the mormons...

A mentally disabled girl I "looked out for" as kids was taken in by Mormons after her mother died suddenly of a blood clot.

They told this grieving teenaged girl that her MOTHER was BURNING IN HELL, and would stay there until she could afford to pay for her to be posthumously baptised.

So this little mentally retarded girl scrubbed laundry and swept floors to raise the money, to pay to the Mormon church.

They also taught her of the "evils" of drinking sodas and wearing short sleeve shirts.

God it p*sses me off just thinking of it.

Another thing the Mormons are up to recently is taking their own teenaged boys and dumping them off on the side of the road like stray dogs.

The pervert mormon "Elders" want six or eight teenaged brides to themselves; so naturally good looking, fit, teenaged boys are their competition.

The local shelters are over run with these abandoned Mormon kids they call the "Lost Boys."

Girls, meanwhile, are given to a grown man soon as they start their first period. The shelters are also quite full of them too. Usually running away from forced marriages.

Usually when they pick up one of these starving, dirty, urchins they find they're so uneducated and don't even know how to read or write.

[Hans Solo]

A mentally disabled girl I "looked out for" as kids was taken in by Mormons after her mother died suddenly of a blood clot.

They told this grieving teenaged girl that her MOTHER was BURNING IN HELL, and would stay there until she could afford to pay for her to be posthumously baptised.

So this little mentally retarded girl scrubbed laundry and swept floors to raise the money, to pay to the Mormon church.

They also taught her of the "evils" of drinking sodas and wearing short sleeve shirts.

God it p*sses me off just thinking of it

Evangelicals, or fundamentalist Muslims, would have probably done the same, although they would of told the girl that she was retarded because God is punishing her.  These type of people suck.

Another thing the Mormons are up to recently is taking their own teenaged boys and dumping them off on the side of the road like stray dogs.

The pervert mormon "Elders" want six or eight teenaged brides to themselves; so naturally good looking, fit, teenaged boys are their competition.

The local shelters are over run with these abandoned Mormon kids they call the "Lost Boys."

Girls, meanwhile, are given to a grown man soon as they start their first period. The shelters are also quite full of them too. Usually running away from forced marriages.

Usually when they pick up one of these starving, dirty, urchins they find they're so uneducated and don't even know how to read or write.

Wow.. these are some pretty strong claims.  I think it would be best to provide some evidence, or at least some links, to back up this assertion.

Han

[mactombs]

Er, not even close, Leyla. I live in Utah, I was raised Mormon. I can safely say not one of your assertions even approximates the truth.

[Ramone]

Yeah, Leyla...I'm am in the same boat as Mactombs.  All of the stuff you wrote is a bunch of crap.

[no_leaf_clover]

Lol, it wasn't crap. It's apparently true.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0%2C12271%2C1505997%2C00.html

[Ramone]

You probably should have read that a little closer NLC...let me quote a bit from the link you just posted.

"Many of these "Lost Boys", some as young as 13, have simply been dumped on the side of the road in Arizona and Utah, by the leaders of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS), and told they will never see their families again or go to heaven.

The 10,000-strong FLDS, which broke away from the Mormon church in 1890 when the mainstream faith disavowed polygamy..."

These aren't Mormons, they are FLDS...fundamentalist being the key distinction between the two.

[no_leaf_clover]

Even if I had read more closely I wouldn't have picked that up. I know very little about the history of the Mormon church save its great influence on Utah's unique government and early movements for women's rights. If the Church of Latter Day Saints is a break-away of Mormonism, I don't see how that's any less Mormon than Lutheran is Christian.

[mactombs]

I don't see how that's any less Mormon than Lutheran is Christian.

Or how Mormonism is any less Christian than Roman Catholic?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the official name of the church, not Mormon. Members like to shorten it to LDS, Mormon was given by people who called them that because of the name of their scripture. FLDS has a very important clue right at the beginning - F. Yes, the F word. Fundamentalists of any kind are flat-out kooks if you ask me.

Seriously, if there was a whole state of people like the FLDS things would be very, very different around here. And I sure wouldn't be sticking around to observe it ... Wait, hold on, my candle's burning out and I need to get Ramone to pedal a bit faster so this durn Internet don't go out on me again ...

[James S]

I'd go along with that. It all fit's squarely in that "God protect us from religion" bracket.

About 10 years ago my wife's mother died on a car accident. A few days after the death some Mormons went around to her home, and started with the line that they were very sorry to hear about this tragedy, but at times like this it really is important to know about God.

Well, my wife and her father very nearly helped these two to personally meet their God! It was one of the tackiest of sales pitches. My wife still isn't sure how they found out about the death so quickly. She still has burning desires to let their tyres down if she sees their pusbikes parked somewhere near home.

As to Fundies, anybody here read Terry Pratchett?
Got a nice clip from the book Good Omens - a converstion between Aziraphale the angel and Crowley the demon:

Aziraphale: "Asteroid strike? Quite the fashion these days, I understand. Strike into the Indian Ocean, great big cloud of dust and vapor, goodbye all higher life forms."
Crowley: "Wow."
Aziraphale: "Doesn't bear thinking about it, does it."
Crowley: "All the higher life forms scythed away, just like that."
Aziraphale: "Terrible."
Crowley: "Nothing left but dust and fundamentalists."


James.

[Leyla]

Who would've guessed a bunch of Mormons from Utah would deny these aligations.

The "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is just another name for the "Mormon Church." They are a branch.

I have no problem backing up my claims. Here, take your pick!

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=mormon+%22lost+boys%22&btnG=Search+News

[mactombs]

As to Fundies, anybody here read Terry Pratchett?
Got a nice clip from the book Good Omens - a converstion between Aziraphale the angel and Crowley the demon:

Oh man, Terry Pratchett is great reading! I love the Discworld series, too. Good Omens was fantastic! It was such a boon to me when I read it, because it was in the years I was most heavily being ostracized for leaving the church.

Who would've guessed a bunch of Mormons from Utah would deny these aligations.

The "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is just another name for the "Mormon Church." They are a branch.

I have no problem backing up my claims. Here, take your pick!

Maybe you need to increase your reading comprehension skills before making claims on written material. First, I'm not a bunch of Mormons. I clearly stated before in this very thread: "I was raised Mormon". Now, granted I didn't clearly state I was ex, but most people would pick up on the implication of my statement.

Yes, Googling the Internet yields far more accuracy about Mormons than actually asking an ex-Mormon living in Utah. We all know it's God's Truth if it's on the Internet.  

[Ramone]

[Edit] Leyla.

I said I was raised Mormon, I didn't say I was Mormon.   Being that I was raised Mormon and at the time happen to be living in the "capital" of the LDS faith I would think I know a whole lot more about it than you.  Do you notice anything about all those links you just pointed us to?  Maybe the words FLDS and 10,000 strong...

Hey, that link that NLC sent yesterday had a few facts about FLDS down at the bottom of the page.  You should probably go read that, but then again you will probably just skim it like you apparently do everything else and make-up whatever you want.  Or better scenerio, you will continue to press your point and do an extensive search on the ever truth-telling internet and try to dig up some dirt on the LDS religion.  At which point I will laugh at you for two reasons...One, you have put more effort into something so pointless than any intelligent person would ever think of doing.  Two, because EVERY religion has dirt...even those like me, who claim no religion, have our skeletons.

[Leyla]

So you are both claiming to be victims of "lying" news orginizations.

I am sorry that your personal bias prevents you from facing reality.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=mormon+%22lost+boys%22&btnG=Search+News

[Shinobi]

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[James S]

[Edit] Leyla.

Now now Ramone, we're not going to start making things personal are we?
Besides, it would probably surprise you to know just how intelligent she really is!

It's all about opinions, so lets play nice.

Mactoombs,
I was in a similar situation to you when I read Good Omens. It completely cracked me up.  
Ditto to the Diskworld series. I just love Pratchett's take on things.


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[Gandalf]

I've edited out personal insults here... keep it civil guys!

nothing wrong with an argument but keep the decorum eh?

Doug