A big concern of mine

The_One · February 11, 2011, 17:14:40

I wanted to post this message after a few days of watching videos on Youtube. My own belief is in spirituality, but haven't any of you thought that it may be Satan who's giving you these experiences?
This is really starting to concern me, and I'd really like to see what you lot thought. The reason why I brought this up is mainly because of the RFID chip which are being used, and could be classed as the mark of the beast.
May be I'm thinking to much into it, and religious points of view are getting to me, and I don't want to end up in a shallow heaven / hell.

Xanth · February 11, 2011, 17:45:02

I won't say it's not possible... anything is possible.
I, however, don't believe in Satan, the devil, demons, god, or anything even remotely "religious".

So, for me personally (and I can only speak for myself here obviously), it's not related to anything religious in that manner.

I can definitely understand if you were religious, and looking at it from that perspective though. All anyone can do is give you their own opinions.

Pauli2 · February 11, 2011, 22:54:03

Which Satan?

Xanth · February 11, 2011, 23:44:33

Quote from: Pauli2 on February 11, 2011, 22:54:03
Which Satan?

There's more than one? >_>

The_One · February 12, 2011, 04:53:43

Feel very annoyed that Christianity was forced on me as a child in schools, even though I wasn't christened.

Astral316 · February 12, 2011, 06:53:16

We have no way of knowing if astral projection is what it seems, if it's just a ruse created by a demonic figure, etc. For me it boils down to this... life is a test. You can either let Christianity provide you with unverified sparknotes or you can do the research for yourself.

toba122 · February 12, 2011, 11:33:51

You are your own satan

But anyways, I doubt it's any satan that makes you astral project

The_One · February 12, 2011, 13:09:56

Thanks for responses. I've read a bit of the bible, and to me god seems to be very sadistic in nature, a sort of "follow me or die". A good example of this was Noah, and also Egypt with the Exodus, and also Babylon. (To name a few)
These thing just made me hate the bible even more. I mean really, how could you love a god that kills thousands of people including Innocent, just because there were a few bad people. How many times has the bible be screwed over, over the years by malicious people?
I've been to the Buddhic level (what happened to get to this level was quite amazing also), and I've never felt that amount of love in my life, and I really don't believe you can physically.
Christian would have me say that this was "work of the devil". I'm really at a lose??

I'd rather be in void, than know a god that does that.

P.s. I'm sorry if I'm giving you a headache, but this is important to me.

Xanth · February 12, 2011, 13:19:03

It's very important for people to reconcile their religious beliefs in such a way that allows them to pursue that which they desire to do.
We definitely understand the predicament you're in The_One.

I'd point you towards CFTraveler... I believe she mentioned recently that she too is Christian and probably has great insight towards how she reconciles this aspect of her life.

justin35ll · February 12, 2011, 14:26:14

To be honest my own personal experiences have brought me to where I am now and what I believe. And from the books I've read basically I don't even believe in a certain religion anymore. Along with that god or satan. I believe there are more developed beings out there such as guides or helpers but in my opinion is this stuff in anyway ran by satan? No

interception · February 12, 2011, 15:39:30

I know where you are coming from. I have been raised in a Christian home. Not a strict Christian home mind you, but still. Bless my parents, wonderful people. They never forced me to go to church.

There are many things about the christian faiths that I have grown to dislike. Yes, there are many universal truths in it and that's what I take from it.

Do I believe in an scapegoat entity called satan that has his thumb on my soul? No. People are basically selfish, and that more than anything is the root of evil. Selfish greed.

Do I believe in a god that allows people to burn in hell who have never even heard of him (eg, african tribesmen)? Nope. How can anyone?

If the christian faith is where you feel comfortable, fine go ahead. If it is not, then seek a different path. It is really that simple. The uncertainty you feel will dissipate as your mind opens up, trust me.

I agree, Id rather go to oblivion than sit in a choir with 140 000 doe eyed angels singing for a god who created purposefully limited thinking beings and then allow them to be eternally tortured in some horrible hellhole if they don't bow down to him.

It is childish and ridiculous and unnecessary to believe this. Its an archaic believe system based on 2000 year old points of view... and its demise is long overdue.
But hey, if you want to believe that and if believing it makes you feel special, go ahead. We can coexist peacefully as long as they don't try to convert me.

NoY · February 12, 2011, 16:27:08

The bible is a device for universally ordering the future nothing more

and in my travels i have seen that it works like a charm

:NoY:

Lexy · February 13, 2011, 02:15:12

Quote from: The_One on February 11, 2011, 17:14:40
I wanted to post this message after a few days of watching videos on Youtube. My own belief is in spirituality, but haven't any of you thought that it may be Satan who's giving you these experiences?

Absolutely Not.

urshebear · February 13, 2011, 03:27:45

I like Frank kepples take on religion,it feels like something I have always known but never thought about before hand.
also like the thought = action rule so...
If you believe in satan, he exists
if you dont, he doesnt.

Also Astral projection goes back thousands of years and apparently is mentioned a few times in the bible.

The_One · February 13, 2011, 06:53:45

Thank you very much for replies, I really appreciate it. The irony of all of this is, I'm not christian.
I'm sticking with spirituality.

Lexy · February 13, 2011, 22:14:44

Quote from: The_One on February 13, 2011, 06:53:45
Thank you very much for replies, I really appreciate it. The irony of all of this is, I'm not christian.
I'm sticking with spirituality.

then why is it a big concern?

Summerlander · February 14, 2011, 19:02:32

It is only a concern if you are afraid. I'm not religious but I subscribe a little to Buddhism. I will sum up a Buddha quote here: "You can only be truly free if you don't fear what might become of you." - here lies deep wisdom (see my signature).

I've been projecting since 98 and I've never seen a demon simply because I don't believe in them. Sure I've met some strange characters like hooded figures, cartoon-like people, even 'harlequins'! But they did not harm me in anyway. Now I get excited to meet and interact with these strangers regardless of whether they are concoctions of my unconscious mind or something more.

My point here is that the pragmatic mind does not experience demons. They are nothing more than manifestations of fear arising in your mind which, once faced, cease to be.
Take the Buddha story, for instance. When prince Siddhartha Gautama was in his deep meditative trance in order to achieve enlightenment, a demon known as Mara, the lord of illusions, emerged. This demon strived to keep the prince attached to his ego as the latter worked towards its renunciation. Do you know how the prince defeated Mara? By recognising that the demon was an aspect of himself, the devil in all of us. His experience was purely psychological, and, once it was over, he was "awake" - Buddha

Just like a child who fears many unrealistic concepts will have nightmares, so will OOBErs have unpleasant experiences if they fear and believe in demons. When experienced they are nothing more than manifestations of our fears just as the inaccurate replicas of our bedrooms in Focus 2 oc are nothing more than thought-form constructs manifested from subconscious expectation. I've read Kepple and he is spot on in my opinion. The religious are the ones who get stuck in the "astral mud" because of the boundaries they believe in.

You really think there's a judgemental god like the biblical one? Christianity is very much fear-based in my opinion. How can one be truly deserving of a heaven when their "good" deeds are only based on the fear of going to hell? Salvation? Pfft...You are only truly deserving of a heavenly state of mind when you do not seek or ask for it. Here lies true wisdom...

But, what do I know right? Devout Christians feel free to rip my post apart. You can label me as "lost" but I'm pretty sure that as Christians you'll find it in you to forgive me.

Demons don't exist. At least not in the sense that the Bible seems to allude to. There's no such thing. As for the Biblical God...what do you think? If he is so merciful why did he kick poor Lucifer out of heaven for being a rebel who refused to follow him. Is that what we should do with our teenage kids when they rebel? Come on...

Religion is one thing...astral projection is another!

Monk · February 14, 2011, 19:07:44

Nice quote, but bad context and usage pertaining to the quote...

Summerlander · February 14, 2011, 19:52:09

Why is that, Monk? Care to elaborate?

Monk · February 14, 2011, 20:06:28

Using a quote that in the original context pertained to a deconstruction of "everything" to justify even more thought constructs is quite skiddish.

Summerlander · February 15, 2011, 05:04:51

And what thought constructs would that be?

It is very simple and Buddha, regardless of whether the story was true or not, was only used as an example. If you believe in demons, you will see them. If you fear them, they will come after you. If you face them, they'll no longer exist in your mind just like Buddha faced the last ounce of his ego and it no longer was. He was in control in the end. That's what being "awake" means. It was purely psychological. He merely erased an element of his psyche. He did not "deconstruct everything" because after his meditation he was still alive and able to interact with the external world as a new person.

The_One · February 15, 2011, 14:45:51

Thank you for your insights, I'm not going to let Christianity get in my way. The more I think about what I've read in the bible, the more nasty god seems to be. I used to let Jehovah's witnesses into my home to see their point of view, and I remember them telling me about a story. It was about a man that god let Satan torture just to see how loyal he was to god. Even to the point of giving him a diseases and killing all of his family (quote me if I'm wrong). Just remembered this the other day.
Religion is differently a barrier, and I'm choosing what I want to believe.

Summerlander · February 16, 2011, 05:05:03

That's it, buddy. And don't let those people into your house again. Goodness me! LOL! Reality is whatever you make of it. You are free to believe in whatever you want to believe in. Also, OOBEs (both here-now and metaphysical projections) are completely harmless. Believe me, nothing will come to get you there if you have no fear.

I never focus on anything like that when I project. Instead I use my OOBEs to either have fun or to make observations for the sake of study. I have already been able to make some interesting observations which do not involve any god of any kind. For instance, if you decide to visit someone in a Locale II projection, you might find yourself in their thought-form worlds, imagination or even dreams regardless of whether they are sleeping or awake. When you tell them about the experience, things seem to make more sense to them than you and they usually express shock. Also, projections may allow for retrocognition and precognition. There are so many things you can do in other altered states of consciousness but I'll say no more and let you explore. Look at the phenomenon from a fresh perspective and forget all that religious nonsense and New Age beliefs. Make up your own mind...

OOBEs/AP/lucid dreams can be exciting and they are certainly interesting. They may also provide clues as to what an afterlife may be like...an afterlife where you can be happy without a belief system that includes God in it. Not everyone believes in God and they can still be good people and just as deserving of happiness as the devout Christian who unfortunately fell at the hands of mass delusion.

Summerlander · February 16, 2011, 05:06:24

Btw, that's just my opinion. For Christians out there, if you want to believe in god, go ahead!

The_One · February 16, 2011, 06:39:14

Strangely enough, I had a dream one day about a "situation" that did happen a day later. The lucid dream was also very vivid. I suppose this would be precognition.

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