a post for the newbies

[Trace]

fredhedd,

Thank you so much for your thoughts on developing the vibes using NEW.  I had a hunch I was headed in a productive direction, and now I'm more confident about it.  My experiences have shown that a bit of confidence in this type of work is empowering.  Being new at the practice of NEW, I only do energy development directly BEFORE going into trance.  Even in just a relaxed state, the results are impressive.

Another question:  When practicing NEW, I always do it with my physical eyes closed.  But I have noticed that behind my closed eyelids my physical eyes move around to where I am working, and even move in circles and brushsrokes when I'm doing those movements with my point of awareness.  My closed eyes are following my point of awareness's every move.  Should I try to have them stop that?

[fredhedd]

georg19, i'm not sure what kind of problems you are having due to you being a light sleeper.  if you can be more specific it would help.

trace, be sure to feel comfortable w/ your energy body development before you attempt any primary center activity during trance.  i only suggest raising energy while in trance to promote the vibes.  actually, you don't even have to raise energy during trance as much as raise awareness.  try moving your awareness up and down your body, instead of just in one direction.  this should stop any energy raising and promote more of a total body awareness instead.  you should feel some pretty heavy energetic sensations while in trance.  

do whatever it takes to get the new system to start working for you.  if you've already felt some sensations though, you should try and stop all visual aid.  the slightest concentration on anything but the feeling will take away from what new was actually designed for.  it also takes away from how impressive the system actually is.  it took me about six months to feel comfortable moving the energy around my body before i tried to stop all visual imagination.  about two months ago i managed to completely cut out everything but the actually feeling.  i can't stress enough how much i've progressed since then.  i can get major energetic sensations throughout my entire body in about two seconds.  i wasn't able to do this while visualizing.  

as soon as you can, stop the eye movement.  it's surprising how much more effective new is when the only thing you are aware of is the feeling.  eyes closed, eyes shut, it makes no difference.  if you find yourself visualizing or doing anything but feeling the feeling, stop it.   it's better to correct things now than try and break habits later.

strwrs, i don't know what you mean by trying to keep it interesting and less repetitive.  i didn't think you were doing anyhing like that and didn't mean to imply it.

and i don't know what squeek is talking about the old post thing for.  did i miss something?

[Trace]

fredhedd,

I think perhaps I didn't communicate clearly in my last post.  When working with the NEW system, I am not visualizing or seeing anything, and my eyes are closed (physical and otherwise).  I am just following the feeling at my point of awareness.  That is, until my mind wanders or I lose focus.  It was during such a break in concentration that I noticed my closed physical eyes were following me (my point of awareness) around.  Do your eyes do that?  I'm not looking with them or aware of using them in any way.

[strwrs_guru]

fredhedd........... squeek doesnt like to answer already asked and answered questions. he thinks we should be using the file library. and i do agree this is a good way to get info, i just like to hear it from our current gold members, etc. we as the newbies cannot help thinking our problems we experience are exclusive to our individual selves, we just dont know any better.......yet.

and i didnt mean to imply that you didnt like to talk to us.....i just got that impression from squeek. i wrongly assumed all the gold members wouldnt want to deal with our repeating questions.

it really helps us to know that some of you more senior members wont tear us a new one for asking a frequently asked question.

thanks for the help again.

and no offense squeek, we didnt mean to annoy you in any way, its just some of these sensations are really freaky the first couple of times.

[Tisha]

Hello everybody, it's so nice to hear from you.

I think I might know what's behind the dearth of responses to elementary questions these days.  Our most experienced projectors have already written one treatise after another on their experiences, along with vast quantities of advice for the many who've come before y'all.  I guess they're too pooped to do it over and over and over?

I highly recommend the "search" function near the top of the page.  Put in a topic (i.e., vibrations, trance, meditate, NEW, whatever) and see what pops up.  Also, check Frank's archived posts; there's a gold mine there!

I think what we need now is a "newbie" who's very experienced with OBE.  That'll get the advice flowing again!

As for little moi, I've been "grounded" from OBEs for awhile.  I had a vague recollection of an involuntary OBE last week, but it was so unremarkable I didn't even write it down.

[darkangel13]

ShadowWatcher"pg 1": DBZ? the people who talk about DBZ on these forums are people who have an 'alternative' *cough* fake *cough* view of ki and chi. They think you can fly, create chi blasts, energy beams and etc. Cool, but not realistic...

Not to be defensive, but DBZ would have to be my favorite show, and although some don't get it, i don't have an altered view on reality as you say...i'm not offended, but that is a stereotypical statement, and someone might be offended by it or one like it...just thought i'd speak my mind[:I]

[jilola]

I'll second the search function []
Only just tonight I suggested to a user to search for posts about phasing and he was inundated with threads. The amount of information on these boards is becoming downright unbelievable!

I doubt any regular would not respond to a sincere questions no matter how simple of often asked.
I for one will reply to anything I feel I have something sensible to say and offer suggestions when not.

And someone please send some bottled sense so that I can untangle my dreams and projections. They are getting too weird [xx(]

2cents & L&L
jouni

[fredhedd]

trace, you weren't unclear in your post.  in my response i was trying to get across how much more effective new can be if you are focusing on just the feeling.  anything else that you are doing is going to take away from the results.  if your eyes are moving around while moving awareness it will take away something.  it may not be that imposing, but every little bit helps.  maintaining focus is another story.  keeping your attention somewhere is a very hard thing to do at first.    


i agree w/ the search feature.  i don't mind answering the questions though and if it helps getting new members to start posting, i'm all for it.  even though the majority of the questions ahve been answered already, it feels so much better to get a one on one.  i'm sure it helps a lot w/ motivation.

is there anyone else that is reading this, having problems and not posting or makiing progress yet?  now's the time.

[fredhedd]

there are a sh**load of people that are members on the forum that have never posted.  for whatever reason it's happening, stop it.  take this oppurtunity to post here.  you are all members here for a reason.  i suspect to find help in projecting.  there are thousands of posts you can read here and the treatises, but if you are experiencing a problem that isn't clearly defined, then you are going to have trouble.  post your problems here.  i will try my best to help you, as will the others.  have a nice, unshy, not afraid to post day.[]