a very weird question about AP

[WalkerInTheWoods]

It is not uncommon to see all kinds of things like this when you are trying to project.

[T_Kman0610]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

It is not uncommon to see all kinds of things like this when you are trying to project.

im wondering if it may be my astral sight kicking in or something.

[kozzi]

T_Kman,

Yeah, I'm assuming this is quite common.  I was amazed to start seeing "through my eyelids" when I began experimenting with AP and LDs.  I've become accustomed to recognizing the state of mind required for seeing this way, and one of my favorite things to do now is look at my alarm clock without opening my eyes.  I assume it is very controllable.  I often wonder if it might be in the same realm of experience that Aleister Crowley demonstrated to hundreds if not thousands of people.  I believe I've got the right guy...  Anyway, he demonstrated an ability to see without his eyes (check on the name for me if you don't mind...  besides, it's an interesting story)

Kozzi

[Tenacious]

T_Kman-

it is not uncommon for one to have paralyasis when going into an astral state.  When I get into my deeper trances, I get paralized, but not my whole body, so far its only my arms and legs. Hope this helps


-Tenacious[]

[Kazbadan]

Hi t-kman! I never obed before, but something similar happened to me once. I was almost getting sleep, when my brother entered the room (in that time we shared the same room) and i looked at him. I could see him moving in the room and getting into the bed. While doing that i noticed that my vision was somehow strange, i could only see between an area more or less eliptical and everything inside that area was illuminated by a strange yellow light (fluorescent it´s more exact). Suddenly i noticed that i was with my eyes closed and my strange visual capacity finished. I stopped to see anything since the room was dark. I turned on the light to be shure that the room was indeed dark. It was really strange. The same phenomena has been repeated again in another day, and like the first one, when i noticed that was with my eyes closed, my vision finished once again.

I´m shure that it was not a dream, but maybe it could be a kind of hallucination (hallucination hypnosomething- the ones that come when you almost getting into sleep)

[alt0xFF]

hypnagogic you mean?

[kozzi]

yes, I believe the scientific community would call it hypnagogic.  However, hypnagogic is usually used to refer to hallucinations happening during the hypnoidal period.  The problem is that these images are not just hallucinations.  I've seen my room very clearly, and have been able to tell the time by looking at my alarm clock.

Kozzi

[Frère]

kozzi you talked about Aleister Crowley but I don't see anything relating this guy to astral sight. I'm interested in reading about how to control astral sight do you have any reference?

[Kazbadan]

Kozzi, one day i had an hypnagogic hallucination with my eyes open (i was almost getting into sleep). I saw a flying dice in my room and i could see too  the furniture. It seems that this kind hallucintaion it´s  hypnagogic too, but i´m not an expert on the topic.

[T_Kman0610]

i heard only hypnagogic hallucinations had only to do with evil or something like that. here chack this site out//http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html

[Kazbadan]

With evil? no, i suppose not. I can feel if something related with me has an evil source. When i had my hallucination i think that it was created by sleep, my mind was very tired.

[T_Kman0610]

quote:Originally posted by Kazbadan

With evil? no, i suppose not. I can feel if something related with me has an evil source. When i had my hallucination i think that it was created by sleep, my mind was very tired.

is the prensence known every time sleep paralysis is happening? today i was supposed to go to school but last night i think i had an obe of some sort because my alarm went off but i dont remember physically turning it off. and the result is missing school.

[alt0xFF]

"i think i had an obe of some sort because my alarm went off but i dont remember physically turning it off"

The alarm went off; you turned it off and thought "I'm gonna nap for another 2 minutes", and off you go. Happens to me all the time unless I put a note "don't you dare going back to sleep" on the alarm clock.

T_Kman0610, stick with Occam's Razor, because that kind of objectivism won't get you far.

[Kazbadan]

Sleep paralysis is a natural mechanism that stops body from doing the same things that it does during dreams. When someone is almost awakening, the paralysis stops and only them your body awake. But it can happen the opposite sometimes (it´s rare): first you awake, and them the paralysis stops. During that time (in the worst case, by my own experience, lasts about 1 minute) you are awake and paralised. It´s an horrible sensation but doctors say the it´s very normal and there is not any dangerous. All we must do it´s relax and wait for the body to awake.

I don´t know exactly the relation between this explanation and astral projectors explanation (your body is paralised because it´s an almost OBE or something).

Don´t be scared about that. When i had your age it was very common to have that paralysis sensation. Maybe it happen often on that age.

If you get paralised, follow my advice (since that it worked with me): avoid think on that and focus your attention on breathing. When i was breathing and concentrating in the air passing throw my lungs, my body started to stop with the paralysis in a slowly way.

Maybe you take the opportunity to try an OBe, but about this it´s better to speak with someone more experienced in the forum (i never obed). I remember one day in wich i had my body paralised has yours. In that time i was studying Obes too, but i didn´t have half the information that i have now.

Obviously, i was scared. I was afraid in getting out of the body spontaneously. And in that paralysis, i was so scared that all the fear was making me have an almost OBE. Maybe all that fear has make me believe so much on obe that i was almost getting one. I felt me astral body getting out slowly. I could feel and move my astral arms and head. It was strange. I knew that i was almost obing and i get into my body has fast as i can, so scared i was.

Now, when i think on that, i think "So stupid i was, almost getting an obe!".

My astral body was very energetic. It was an amazing sensation. My astral arms were not like the physical ones. They were very light (i mean, not heavy has the normal arms) and pure and i could feel some kind of electrical sensation, some humming. Not an humming sound, but more some physical humming- difficult to explain.

My advice is, speak with an experimented ober to see if it´s dangerous or not to take the opportunity of getting an obe while paralised in that way (it´s better ask, maybe you could have an uncontroled obe). Ask to someone like Thisha, Birm or Frank ( i heard a lot about him but i don´t know who he is). I don´t know if Adrian it´s an ober too. And you could try Robert Bruce.

BTW: after talk with them, give me their answers´...maybe it could be useful in the case of having another long lost sleep paralysis.

[T_Kman0610]

just wanted to say thnx to everyone that helped me, and if anyonelse would like to reply it would be much appreciated.

cheers,
T_Kman0610

[T_Kman0610]

this is very hard to explain, but here it goes. ok last night i was attempting AP and within about 30 minutesi was getting to it. now heres the hard part, while i had my eyes closed it looked like something passed me or something. i didnt have them open they were still closed. but you know how you have your eyes closed and you can tell something passed you by the darkness. well this happened to me. it was olmost as though i blink but didnt have my eyes open. than right after that i became paralyzed which kinda of scared me because i couldnt get out of it. anyone have anything on the prt about where "you know how you have your eyes closed and you can tell something passed you by the darkness"?