After Projecting...Then What??

[Ethereal Traveler]

I was just sitting around thinking and something dawned on me...  

[David Warner]

Ethereal Traveler ,


I've been involved with projecting for almost 20 years now. When I first started it was more like a fun game, explore, be invisible to the physical world. After, I slowly realized thru time and age that its A LOT more then just having fun.

From OBE's, I've became a volunteer at the Hospice of Michigan helping terminally ill people. OBE's definitely change your life and prior thoughts. I've been able to validate my experiences, statistically track my achievements, goals, stopp'd drinking, developed a closer relationship to God, Christ. Also, my wife and I are waiting for our referral from China to adopt.

Definitely became more spiritual and turned more towards loving people then being in judgement. Its easier to hate and harder to love - this is what OBE's have done for me.

Not to mention being blessed by an angel, meeting up with my grandma, and uncle... shall I say anymore?

Your more then welcome to visit my web site www.invisiblelight.us and review my 20 years of  material presented.

Tvos

[SilverSlider]

I've been able to validate my experiences, statistically track my achievements, goals, stopp'd drinking, developed a closer relationship to God, Christ.

Hey there the voice of silence, just out of curiosity are you saying you became more of a christian after projecting? I don't think I have ever heard of anyone who is into the new age and/or projecting thing validate that christ is god and so forth. Or are you referring to a "christ consciousness"? Please expand.

[David Warner]

SilverSlider,

Yes, I've developed a closer, faithful relationship to God and Christ through astral projecting. New Age, what ever you call it, OBE's have been around for millions of years, unfornuately astral projection is a cast out with religions but in our today's world, we call it new age.

The important thing to seriously consider is 'how' you walk the path. Do you project for evil, power, some sort of hidden power? Or do you project because of spirituality, love, helping the world in this physical plane or in the other plane levels.

Everyone has their own path and if it wasn't for OBE's I probally would have been treading a dark path in my earlier to late years.

A month ago, I had an incredible honor and experience where I was assisted two times by a Angel of God to travel into the higher astral and mental planes through guidence. So "yes' by my many experiences in the past, there is a higher supreme power that I've discovered and we call this power "God".

Hope this helps!

Tvos

[SilverSlider]

Hmm interesting on the help with angels, that must have been a neat experience.

I agree with most of what you said, what I am wondering is why you keep linking God and Christ as in you have a strong Christian faith. Like I said I agree with most of what you said, including it doesn't matter what path you take only how you go about that path. It just seems like when people have mystical experiences, astral projection or have strong drug related experiences - altered consciousness - basically when people experience "the source" they no longer subscribe to a strict religous schedule that requires certain steps or certain intermediaries.

I applaud you if you have actually integrated projection with Christianity. I read in a book by the Dalai Lama that he believes strongly that no matter what faith you have, just stick with that one and practice it, instead of taking parts of different religions. I agree almost whole-heartedly. Even though I do take parts from different religions I find a centralization on a certain one (for me it happens to be Buddhism) helps me keep focused on my spiritual path. Ya need roots! heh or something...I don't even know if what I just said is true, but it seems valid from what I've experienced.

Sorry to derail this thread guys! Curiosity hit me hard on this one. And thanks tvos for explaining

brad

[Nay]

Wow... I was going to respond to this thread.. had most of it wrote out and then decided...no.  Hmmm.

Why......

[bourkesta]

You dont need ot be a chrisitan to learn what jesus said, nor do you have to be a buddhist to learn what the buddha realise that you truely are the source and wake up to spread love on a world much needed of it.

[Mendel]

 To answer the original thread:

I don't think it's that obvious what projecting leads to, early on. I spent about a year, just exploring for exploring's sake. Perhaps, occasionally I would look to ask questions to guides, or maybe I would try to look for friends and family that had crossed over.
Then, I discovered, thanks to the writings of Bruce Moen, all the really cool things you could out There - including helping the recently deceased move to higher vibration planes (aka retrievals) For the last few years, I've really been into helping out with retrievals.
In the last year or so, I've been pushing myself beyond the astral to the next higher plane sometimes referred to as the mental plane. Here, there are lots of knowledgeable people, and the experiences are very enjoyable.
I am concerned that someday I might become bored of this "hobby" But, I haven't yet. As long there new things to discover...

-mike

[David Warner]

SilverSlider,

The experience with contacting an Angel was something beyound words.
It was a very emotional and touching experience that definitely left a good mark!

This was the first time full contact with an Angel during the OBE. I've seen some incredible things in the last 20years, but this definitely with out saying was beautiful!

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=24512.0

and

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=24611.0

Mostly, of what I've experienced brought me closer to God/Christ just in the last 3-4years. As before in the past I was not as close. I do agree with you that many people who have these specific experiences look differently on religion that alters their belief systems.

I do believe that there is that 'one' source that lives,breaths that flows and vibrates through us and that we are all connected to God. To other religions, beliefs it can be the great eagle in the sky, or budah, alah etc.

If you read the bible, there are so many passages in there that talk about OBE's, trance state, precognitive events, etc and that is very interesting how it relates to moden times. Also, check out the NDE (near death experiencers) - they have been changed and marked for life in a positive outlook towards death. Many actually turn strongly to religion, spirituality etc..

So in a nutshell, I'm a christian and also spiritualist..

tvos

[Virgin Astral]

I think when you first start its a bit like being a child again, as everything is new, and very exciting.  Your free to do, and go wherever you want, pretty much at the speed of thought.  I for one (in real life) love to fly, travel and explore.  So I have done a lot of this when in the Astral world.  When I'm out I'm so happy to be able to fly, so immediately I take off into the skies.

However, as you have done it more, get more experienced, and like maturing, and turning into an adult.  I find that I search for knowledge, and understanding now.  To try to see the bigger picture, and trust me, its BIG.   This is where I'm at now.  I still love to get out, and fly, like a child with a new toy, but the novelty of it has begun to wear off slightly, and now I'm searching, learning, and trying to understand.

Good luck on your journey.

[David Warner]

Virgin Astral,

I do agree and I've found that if I transcend into the higher astral / mental planes its a whole new ball game. Flying around is beautiful and enjoyable, but the one explores more they do come to realization is that its all about "Love" and helping others here and there.

Tvos

[AndrewTheSinger]

Yup, the astral is a great source of inspiration, if you're a musician, painter, writer, physicist, the amount of ideas that can outflow through experience is very vast.

For some time all I wanted to do was to reach the physical world through the astral. What I learned is that this is like swimming using a bicycle. Had some success searching for informations over there, confirmed things, few exactly what I had expected, you are always to be surprised.

Overall, it is an excellent place for experimentation/exploration, and if possible, live there too and enjoy your stay before you have to come back.

[shadow.pulsar]

Wow... I was going to respond to this thread.. had most of it wrote out and then decided...no.  Hmmm.

Why......

You just made my day Nay... YOU ROCK!

[Nay]

I did?  Then why don't I have more karma points?   I'm still confused as to why I changed my mind about it..LOL.. I sound goofy.  I should have just stepped away without a comment.

[shadow.pulsar]

I did?  Then why don't I have more karma points?   I'm still confused as to why I changed my mind about it..LOL.. I sound goofy.  I should have just stepped away without a comment.

Wha?!!!

*loads smiteing hand of glory and whacks karma button*

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[Nay]

LOL.. so did you smite or applaud me? 

[shadow.pulsar]

Well....     you do have 1 karma point now...

[catmeow]

Guys,

Please take a look at Group NDE Example #2 here (scroll down to Example #2):

http://www.near-death.com/group.html

In this experience, three people shared an NDE.  All three had the same experience but it was presented to each of them in their own belief system terms.  For instance they all saw a being of light except this was presented to one of them as an angel, to the second as his late father and to the third as the Buddha.

Not only did each person experience slightly different impressions, they each appear to have been aware of how each of the others was experiencing the whole thing.  This seems to have been a deliberate part of the experience, by whoever/whatever was orchestrating it.

It seems that in the astral Truth and appearance are different things.  So the truth may be "divine being" and whilst this is absolutely real, we all perceive the same truth according to our own culture or belief system (Christ, Buddha etc).

[Nay]

Well....     you do have 1 karma point now...

That was short lived. My fans must have dropped by....   It's becoming really silly now.. come on folks.  It's only my opinions, no need to get all smitty. 

Catmeow: A belief system can either hinder or not, imo... That is why I think that the astral is very personal and when one tries to alter it to fit someone else's experience it ceases to work correctly. 

[catmeow]

Hi TalaNay

I posted the link because I thought it was quite instructive and shows that everything is not as it "appears" in the astral.  To me it seems to show that people's perceptions are symbolic rather than literal in the astral, and that this is really the way it's meant to be.  I find it interesting that several people can observe the same "thing" but actually each person sees it represented in a way which is most meaningful to them.  They all get the same "message" but actually see different things.

I think you're correct to say that the astral is personal.  But that doesn't mean it isn't real.  Perhaps it's a bit like when we both see the colour "red".  My experience of "red" might be completely different from your experience of "red" we have no way of knowing.  So when two people see the same "being of light" each person has his/her own experience which is unique to them.  But they both see the same real thing....

[David Warner]

Catmeow,

I like your analogy on the color 'red' and what we both see. You are correct its personal experience, never a less if it wasn't real, we wouldn't be here talking about it..

tvos

[catmeow]

never a less if it wasn't real, we wouldn't be here talking about it

lol... 

[Nay]

To me it seems to show that people's perceptions are symbolic rather than literal in the astral, and that this is really the way it's meant to be.

I think you're correct to say that the astral is personal.

These contradict each other.

You see, in the astral my experiences are literal.  Perhaps because that is what I need it to be and thus why it makes it personal.  Now in just everyday dreams, I've found those are more symbolic...I have to really think and stress out trying to figure out..omg..what did that mean, it felt fine but the symbol itself represents something negative...  I think the dreams are "real", I don't think I said they weren't real.  They are real on some level, ya know?  I like to think I get a little something from it either at that time or years down the road when it pops into my head.  But I'm also sure when I dream of driving a car that always inevitably turns into a skateboard or wheelbarrow is real but just not helpful spritually. 
 
I have said in the past and I'm sure in the future I will say that some people exaggerate their experiences.   That in itself does no good for all involved...one, the newbies to this subject now are under the impression that they have to have the same hollywood experience or it's not a true experience.  Two, it keeps the person that is telling the exaggeration, in a fantasy that will only hold them in place not moving forward..IMO.

PS.  I should add that I'm not directing this at anyone in paticular..so stop smitting me!    I'm gonna change my name again..to YO-YO.. 

[catmeow]

TalaNay

I think maybe I didn't express myself very well.  By "literal" I mean undecorated, unembellished, untranslated, unmodified, etc.  By "symbolic" I mean "transformed into terms which express underlying meaning rather than actual shape, size and form".

So when people perceive things in terms of symbols (rather than literal shape and form), they are seeing the world translated in a highly personal way.  I suspect that this is how the astral works.  People see things symbolically (different people see different symbols) rather than literally (different people literally see the same things).  This makes the astral highly personal.

It's an old occult idea in fact.  I remember J H Brennan saying something similar in his book "Astral Doorways"

http://www.amazon.com/Astral-Doorways-J-H-Brennan/dp/1870450213/sr=1-1/qid=1160668966

[Nay]

Please forgive me...I sometimes have problems getting things to look right in my head and it keeps me confused until I straighten it out..bare with me.

So by symbolic you mean like a emotion or something, not an actual symbol?  I've tried to stay away from any "occult" or superstitious books..especially old ones..    It still feels like trying to pigeon hole someone experiences, IMO.

When you say you suspect this is how the astral works, does that mean you haven't had any personal experiences youself?  I thought you had.