What not to do...

[Huwie]

It happened in the morning, but I'm nocturnal so it was before I went to bed for the 'night'.

You're right, meditation is probably the key.  Recently I have been too keen to project so I've neglected it.  In the last couple of days I have also been too distracted by noises and stuff to focus, an unfortunate consequence of being nocturnal; as I'm going to bed, the streets below my flat (apartment) are filled with kids going to school and stuff.

About the posture, I have never personally needed to use a sitting position.  Falling asleep is generally not a problem for me, I don't get tired easily anyway.

Thanks for the encouragement and advice, dude!  I'll keep on trying.  I will project if it takes me the rest of my life.  Har, no pun intended!

[m0d0]

Well its 1:43AM, and i'm off for a lil meditation hehee.

Dragen, i was going to add you to my MSN, but i couldnt find your email (I bet it was staring me right in the face as well lol) But jus check my profile if ya want to add me.

Huwie, started reading about Psi Balls (Man that title sounds like some Space Sci-fi spoof). Looks very intriguing. Infact that whole site you sent the link for looks interesting.

Right im off to do some meditating [8D] *shouts* "Up, up and Astralllll!!!"

P.S - That was a cool MP3 an all, very dark!

Cheers,

Mo!

[Huwie]

Yeah, that song is amazing innit?  Pity it was rejected for the film, imagine how much better it would've been!

I'm very intrigued by the psi balls, and psionics in general.  I've started to train...plus it can only help with our efforts to project too, really.  Mind-focussing and all that.  Have fun, dude!

[Dragen]

Heya m0d0!
I added you to my MSN messenger list!
I look forward to talking to you online!

Psi balls eh?  I haven't read much about them.  Well, yet.  I'm trying to focus on this meditation stuff first.  Baby steps you know.

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[Zarklon]

I'm back at home now and I thought I'de post another reply to this thread.  

I just wanted to tell everyone that it IS very very possible to project from a noisy environment and around other people.  I have had numerous OBEs from a classroom with 20 or so people making much noise , yelling (yes some goofballs yell at 7:40 in the morning)... So if you've read about NEEDING a quiet place , comfortable place , warm place , or whatever... its not true .. although it may help some , if not 99.9% of you guys heh..  Quietness is probably the reason I fail at home yet have much success in my classroom.. having nothing to focus on while I'm falling asleep might hurt me a little.

And Psi Balls... please..there are a few DBZ loving sites and sites that claim to have nothing to do with DBZ (cough psipog.net cough) and they are very immature sites.  Psionic energy , Kai , Chi , whatever you want to call it , can be very exciting ..especially when bored. I've been practicing with energy manipulation for about a year and it has been interesting. I mostly save it for people that I just meet and freak em out when I try to get them to feel it on their hands or something.  

Basically , psi balls are cool and fun to do but dont get too caught up in the lies that some sites expect you to believe.. (example: Kame kame ha! , Psi flames , beams ,) whatever.. just find out something that works and play with it yourself until you find a .. real site or you might turn out like some dude I know that has A.D.D. and thinks hes a Druid of nature and wind and thinks he can make it rain on command.... yea.... that may come laaaaater down the line.. by that point , you will probably not exist here anymore and have moved on to something more.. --- Yes I'm depressed.. Peace

[Huwie]

Hehe, did you enjoy your rant, Zarklon?  Actually, psipog is the site I have been using.  Worry not, though, I'm not taking everything they say as gospel.  I just want to master constructs, then I will take it from there myself.  In all fairness, though, they seem to know what they're talking about and a lot of what they say makes a great deal of sense.  I like their frank attitude.

By the way, I have never seen DBZ and have absolutely no intention of doing so. []

"Quietness is probably the reason I fail at home"

Quietness is precisely the reason I have failed most often recently.  The other reason being over-eagerness.  Oops!

[m0d0]

Whats DBZ?

Hey all.

So i was meditating last night, working on energizing my Chakras. Man i dont feel a thing when im working with any of them. I still do it though because i know it may take some time to develope them.

I tried RB's tensing method (Preperation before meditating) and that helped me get into a meditative state.

After energizing and opening my chakras (I think) i decided that i had time for a little AP practise.

So i start 'Mind Awake, body Asleep' just to add a little more focus and also something to let my body float away.

After this i start climbing rope. As soon as i start, like clockwork my heart starts to pound and my eyes start rapidily twitching. This goes on for a while.

I try and will my heart into some kind of control and slow it's beat. However as i did so the eye spasms stopped. I think i stopped the process of energy expansion by purposely slowing my heart.

After failing to recapture the ROPE sensations it was like i was lay in nothingness. I was there in meditation, but there was nothing in my mind and nothing outside of it.. At the very most i felt very light. I wasn't scared afraid, happy, excited... nothing. It was like i fell in an abyss or something.  

After a while of wondering what all this was i decide to come around so i start moving my fingers, then my arms etc.

I turned and went to sleep.

So No AP, but certainly an interesting experience. I really do think that my chakras don't have enough energy to generate an OBE. I think i have some kind of bloackage or something.

Hey Dragen - i got you on my list now, cheers Buddy.

Zarklon - thanx for the warning but i tend to just take from a stie what works for me anyways. If i think it's bull crud, then i already no it won't work coz subconsciously ive already said to myself it won't. I try a take the most scientific and skeptical view when learning about new stuff like this.

Cheers,

Mo!

[Huwie]

From what I gather, DBZ is some Japaneses cartoon called Dragonball Z.  Apparently, they use psi balls or something.  I wouldn't know, I have managaed to avoid it altogether so far! []

[m0d0]

Oh... Never heard of it. []

Someone should do a cartoon about Astral Projection!! That'd be cool, and education for the kiddies too, hehee. It'd probably even teach me somehing.

[Huwie]

I haven't managed to project yet, although I have been incredibly close to it, so I thought I would share an experience with everyone so that people in the same boat as me hopefully won't feel so bad.  Projection takes an enormous amount of willpower, you're not going to get it straight away!

Extracted from my LiveJournal, then...

OK, so I tried last night. Dismal failure. The problem was that I was too tired. Never attempt to project when you're really tired!!! As I was meditating and trying to descend into a trance, I kept slipping in and out of consciousness. It was only happening for a fraction of a second each time, but believe me, that was quite enough. It ruined the whole thing, and I barely got any exit sensations at all, despite stimulating my chakras for quite some time. A sad experience.

This morning, however, was a completely different story - it's the closest I have come to projection so far!

I lay on my bed, physically tired but mentally not too bad. I first tried something I had never tried before, which was RB's 'tensing' method. It actually worked! It relaxed my physical body no end (ha, listen to me talking abstractedly about my physical body already - you haven't done it yet, Huw!).

Next, I began meditation, coupled with breath awareness. Achieving meditative states is one thing, achieving a trance state is quite another. I don't think I quite got there, although my body did start to feel heavy, but that doesn't matter because the ROPE technique isn't reliant on it anyway.

So, after a good 10 minutes or so of this, I started to open my chakras. I'm getting better at this. I'm better at stimulating my base and heart chakras (*sigh*) than anything else, but I think I have started doing some good work with my Third Eye this morning.

So, trance - check. Breath awareness - check. Chakras opened - check. Energy flowing through chakras - check. Nothing left now but to attempt to project!

I began the ROPE technique. This time I put heart, body and soul into it. The exit sensations started. My body started to vibrate quite strongly. I feel it most in my head and my legs. It's like having a fit, but it isn't scary. It makes me feel cold though.

OK, so I'm climbing, climbing. My head is banging the pillow behind me but I ignore it. I'm climbing, climbing. My heart seems to be pounding at 200 beats per second, but I know it's just my chakra and I ignore it. I climb and climb and climb and.....this is it! This time I could actually feel my astral body start to lift! I recalled something RM said about thinking how great it would be to float, and I immediately felt myself getting lighter! My vision started to change, it must have been the beginnings of astral sight! I climbed further and further, then disaster. As I was lifting out (and I'm positive I was), that damned fear of the unknown hit me. The very millisecond I started to get doubts I hastily locked them away, but even that one millisecond was too much. As soon as it had happened, everything changed and I knew that this time was not going to be the one.

I tried for a few seconds more, then gave up. I sank down into bed, a huge grin on my face, chuckling occassionally. See, although I had failed, that was closer than I have ever been before. As I drifted off to sleep I kept saying to myself "I can do it, I can do it."

Just that one last barrier. The fear of the unknown. I will defeat you!!!