Can any of you guys leave your body anytime you want? Not only in the morning or just before sleep, but anytime you're willing to do so? If so how long did it take you to get to this point? And how long does it take you to take off from the point of lying down and closing your eyes?
I don't know of anyone with that kind of ability. I think you're looking at a handful of people in the world at this point.
I could be wrong though.
Hi,
On occasion theres a feeling you get, it comes and goes at varied times. If you wish to exit when its apparent then its easy and can be done within one minute. It may happen twice a year at the correct time for you.
To be able to exit at will anytime is probably for monks or the like. Living generally, work etc hinders this too much.
Its possible but as Xanth says incredibly rare.
Szaxx, is this feeling a feeling of sudden kind of comfrot and the mind suddenly goes quite empty of thoughts, it comes without any expectation instantaneously (like a very noticeable sudden change of atmosphere, when it becomes very 'comfortable')?
Tom Campbell says Rob Monroe taught them how to 'parallel process', and be in 2 places at once, thus he could be talking to one person in physical and at the same time being in the astral and talking and receiving information there from some energy form. He says anyone can develop this by simply practicing over and over and playing with imagination as often as possible.
This is really encouraging, but I guess its no surprise. I am writing this post now in the physical and yet I am also thinking of a green apple (a part of which could be in the astral), with practice the ability of imagining develops as I understand it
: )
Hi,
For me its not unlike feeling intoxicated. That dizzyness after a couple or so pints of ale. Mixed in with a mental clarity where most of your memories are easy to recall, an uncanny knowing ( hard to describe) and its like the 3D darkness is part of you.
You know you can exit amongst other things.
Id like a way of inducing it at will. The worlds would be an oyster then. It would guarantee projection and much more at will. Ive often thought Mozart had this skill, its that influential.
Szaxx, thank you for your reply, this is very interesting as I get the atmosphere comfy change thing happen instead but then I just sit and meditate (and meditations become ecstatic and I can go for hours when this comfy 'thing' comes), I'd try to do a phase session next time to see if it might help to phase out
Am I correct in understanding that 'phasing at will and anytime' is just a matter of practice? I don't think there are any other variables that are involved (i mean other variables being those that help practice: good diet, exercise, etc). Any thoughts on this?
Some people I talk to phase out at will and can pull other people out, but they are occultists with years of training
Hi,
Crossed posts, nice one considering the comment on two places at one time. On that subject, is there any more info available without searching for eons reading nonsense?
Im interested in this.
Hi,
Back in the eighties I had 1 hour for lunch and as my home was within 5 mins of work I go home at this time. Id not eat but take something back with me. Thid left 45 mins which I would use to project. The success rate after a months programming was exceptional. On most days Id be astral and always bavk in work on time.
Now its different having my own children at home with theirs too. Noise is a problem but workable. Work is nearly 60 hours a week and I can project mostly through dreaming anchors.
It could be described as comfy depending on your meaning or relevant interpretation. You do feel so alive when its active.
If I had those free days again.....
Szaxx, you interested in which part the 'occult training routines' for phasing/projecting or the parallel existence of being here and there as talked about by Tom?
If its the latter, Tom speaks about it in his videos a lot, and I'm still going through his book, but he does not say how it is done. However, I looked into it and I think I understand how Rob trained them, based on what Tom says in his videos. This is what I think happened:
Tom says that Rob would get them into the little cubicles and there would be a microphone hanging right above Tom's mouth and Tom would have to say every single thing he experienced and noticed EXACTLY WHEN he experienced and noticed it. He re-emphasized this by saying Rob would not allow him to simply go and then return and write down whatever he remembered, he had to speak while he was experiencing things. This made him develop parallel processing as he calls it.
Thus what I think they did is basically a guided visualisation (guided by their own mind at first just like Frank teaches us, but then it becomes 'alive/real') they simply keep saying out loud (but quite gently so they do not disturb the peaceful state) whatever they see. Overtime they develop the ability to go 'there' simply by thinking about it.
In occult schools this is trained a couple of steps up from the very basic training, where the person is taught how to visualise so concretely that he can literally see the object infront of him even if his eyes are wide open. The object then appears as a hallucination infront of the person.
Then the person can create an entire scene like this and be in the physical room, yet at the same time actually be in the 'scene' that he created with his imagination, and move through that scene by using the intent. It is just a matter of practice over and over and over. Now to do this with eyes open is pretty neat, but it is much easier to do it with eyes closed - as I understand, this is exactly what Tom did at first, what Frank did, what Rob did, and what everyone seems to be doing. With eyes closed is also the way the occult schools teach this method at first, only later they teach it with eyes open.
Now there are many different schools in occult and they teach many different things, this is just based on what I understand about it.
So basically, as I understand it the occult schools teach pretty much the same 'result' as the Rob Monroe schools (up to a certain point), the only difference is 'how' it is taught. The occult schools usually have pretty hardcore routines and details to 'help' reach the state/skill faster (the so called 'formulas' where the person combines as many different things together as possible to help them progress - eg: Phase out in the morning hours (aka Brahma hour) + vegetarian diet + no alcohol, and it gets more progressive). You see even Frank at first said that he didn't believe in chakras etc, but then he started to change his mind as he begun to understand that things like 'chakras' (taught in occult schools) can be very useful tools if used accordingly, just like meditation is a useful tool in the physical reality, and so on.
If that helps in any way
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Szaxx, do you have an online diary/log/journal where you post your astral adventures?
Hi,
Thanks for that info on two.
As far as journals go I've written nothing apart from shared experiences here on the pulse. I know I should but my memory of these events is seemingly uncanny. I rarely forget much but do remember more of recent outings in the afternoon. Strange I know but you dont forget much this way. I cant remember all that'd be amazing but if Im asked about one from 35 years ago the person asking would need to remind me of some part of it, then the memory follows. My first few oobes I can remember very well from the mid sixties, just thought it normal nocturnal happenings. You can be wrong and not know it. I was very young then....
Szaxx, you seem like a seasoned pro!
There is much use for people like you, have you thought about writing a book? With your experience, it would be a hit.
I recently read a book by an artist he was lucid dreaming all the time, and wrote a book about what he discovered on his trips, it was quite interesting, he also has videos on youtube (he has a strange name, Sjorb or something)
Hi,
I've thought about a book but on a subject that gives the need to meet with a guy who has a brilliant mind and he died possessing a secret. Ive met him before and he was a xxxxxx. He will remember me as I left him with an option. Ive no idea where he is but I can find him that I know.
I would write a book if I could project at will with the details of how to. The last quest was a success from focus level clairvoyance to the RTZ without any loss of conciousness. I would like the info on getting out on demand to further my knowledge too.
Seasoned, ha Im still 21, twice over and then some....
Quote from: nikolai on May 20, 2012, 18:15:42If its the latter, Tom speaks about it in his videos a lot, and I'm still going through his book, but he does not say how it is done.
Could you compile some of those videos where Campbell explains how he does it.
I would like to know how close it is to Moen's "imagination method".
If possible, state the exact part of each video clip as in for example; "07:30 - 12:15".
Quote from: sqprx on May 20, 2012, 09:28:22
Can any of you guys leave your body anytime you want? Not only in the morning or just before sleep, but anytime you're willing to do so? If so how long did it take you to get to this point? And how long does it take you to take off from the point of lying down and closing your eyes?
The only way I know of to be able to project at will consistently each and everyday would be to be conscious while falling asleep.
Each and every time you fall asleep, you would have to remain conscious during the act of falling asleep and let your consciousness slide out the top of your head. This would be difficult to do. I have been successful at it, but not on a consistent basis. If anyone has did this consistently, please let me know how you do it.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/possible_proof_we_have_an_obe_every_time_we_sleep-t36909.0.html
Hi everyone.
The problem lies in how you think about the issue. I think most of the problems that arise from reaching the state is by constantly shooting yourself in the foot by asking over and over if you are there yet.
You see if you read a book and you are so enthralled, engrossed in reading that's focused attention right there. You block out other sounds, you don't hear them. That's why someone might be telling you something and you don't hear. Because you are focused on the reading. It is the same with projecting. When you listen to the tape gateway first cd wave 2 many ask - am I there in Focus 10? Now if you are there why do you doubt it? Because you don't know how it should feel and you start to question yourself - because you have read some other experience and what he felt.
But everytime it says you are in Focus 10 you are already there. What the tape does is that it brings your attention so smoothly that you don't notice the fading in from outside reality to inner reality. You think you are still outside but you aren't. What the tape does also is to create some kind of anchor - when you first do the tape you have some "cues" that you have reached (for me it is my area of nose becoming really different from all of the other "points over my body" and I know I am there) and for others there are other cues. But whenever I meditate I don't reach the intent to have the area of my nose in a particular way - it's just the way it happens most of the time - even if it doesn't happen I know I am there.
Another way to put it - imagine in your head an apple - can you see it? And I don't mean to visualize it like you see in real life - in whatever way you see it trust it. Even if you have a feeling of what it should look like that's ok too. Whatever it is trust it. You will phase automatically when you generate some kind of environment and maintain your attention there.
Even Frank said that his body was in the "background". When you imagine something and then slowly create a world you go towards your attention and you generate less and less attention towards the physical. If you question yourself you automatically come back to your attention of the body and every time you do that you switch back from the imagination back to the body and you get in a loop. You shoot yourself in the foot like I say :D.
This is a scenario to show you this point - the tape says you are in F10 - you ask yourself am I in F10 - I don't feel like I'm in F10 - let's see if I can hear the sounds outside - and of course you hear them - then you think damn it and I was so close to reaching F10 and then you try again and you do it again.
You switch back from F10 to F1 only because of where you direct your attention. Ignore your questions of being in F10 - just assume that you are there. Assume that everything works accordingly and you will reach what you want to have in the first place.
You don't need to disconnect your awareness totally from the body - like in OBE. There were many cases in which people still felt to some degree the body and had beautiful experiences. They didn't question what was happening. They did go with the flow. Even Frank was in the same case.
But you say I want to have that experience in which I feel like I'm there (with all of my 5 senses) - and I'm telling you that the first thing you should do to reach that state is forget about your ideas of how it should be done (by constantly asking yourself if you are there yet). Forget all about what you read. Go with the flow. The more you go with the flow the more you are in that state. It's really much simpler than people think.
Again it's like imagining an apple. Can you imagine it? That's it. You are there. But you say - I'm not seeing like in the physical - well it's not physical - that's why :D. The more you stay in the frame of the mind that it doesn't feel like in the physical the more grounded you become in the physical - you see how you get yourself in a loop ? It's so simple that people don't believe it's that simple.
Quote from: Pauli2 on May 20, 2012, 19:49:29
Could you compile some of those videos where Campbell explains how he does it.
I would like to know how close it is to Moen's "imagination method".
If possible, state the exact part of each video clip as in for example; "07:30 - 12:15".
It's identical.
It's using the same faculties, but different metaphors.
Everyone has direct access to the wider reality at all times... the thing is though, not many people are actually trying to listen to it. :)
Quote from: Xanth on May 21, 2012, 10:39:11
Everyone has direct access to the wider reality at all times... the thing is though, not many people are actually trying to listen to it. :)
This statement here is one of the most important things said on this site period. EVERYONE has direct access to the Wider Reality. At any time day or night you have the ability to just close your eyes and experience this. This first became noticeable to me after many Phasing techniques and showed it"s true essence while I was taking a shower. I was in my shower, I got soap in my eyes, so I closed them, to my surprise I was in a beautiful waterfall scene. I was standing at the cliffs edge and way below me was a beautiful flowing river, parallel to me on the other side of the mountainous scene were beautiful cascading waterfalls. To tell you the truth, I got kind of dizzy at first seeing this, because my toes were teetering right on the end of that cliff, I thought I might fall. It was surreal. Now that I have realized that this is possible, I close my eyes many times a day just to see what is there. I want to say though, at no time do I ever imagine a scene first. They are just there. This is one of the rewards you will find when you truly open your mind to the Wider Reality.
I agree to an extent of what's being said, but I believe you should also keep the physical experience and astral experience as 2 separate things. Don't let a meditative state come into your daily life. It's bound to eventually create an imbalance, neurosis, depression, unclear thinking, or exasperate any other existing issues. I would guess most people who are clairvoyant 24/7 have mastered their inner and outer lives independent of each other first.
Being able to focus clearly in the physical creates a more balanced and focused meditative life. I'm not knocking what anyone else said, just stating something I find important in regards to having a balanced life.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 22, 2012, 11:48:03
I believe you should also keep the physical experience and astral experience as 2 separate things. Don't let a meditative state come into your daily life. It's bound to eventually create an imbalance, neurosis, depression, unclear thinking, or exasperate any other existing issues.
I totally agree.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 22, 2012, 11:48:03
I agree to an extent of what's being said, but I believe you should also keep the physical experience and astral experience as 2 separate things. Don't let a meditative state come into your daily life. It's bound to eventually create an imbalance, neurosis, depression, unclear thinking, or exasperate any other existing issues. I would guess most people who are clairvoyant 24/7 have mastered their inner and outer lives independent of each other first.
Being able to focus clearly in the physical creates a more balanced and focused meditative life. I'm not knocking what anyone else said, just stating something I find important in regards to having a balanced life.
I actually disagree with this statement, and believe that the goal of everyone who meditates or wants to learn meditation should be to achieve that state of constant focus/concentration. Learning this has clear helpful implications upon your waking, physical life. It's not about "learning to meditate"... it's about becoming consistent and focused throughout your life, as a whole. Physical and non-physical.
As I usually tell people in relation to astral projection... meditation shouldn't be something you "do", it should be a state of mind/consciousness that you "are".
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/adyashanti_%E2%80%93_true_meditation_series-t36399.0.html
The series of videos I linked above explain it much better than I can. They're a long listen... but VERY worth it.
Hi,
Lets not forget that you can learn a discipline too. Its a way of life. Sounds familiar Xanth? ;)
Quote from: Szaxx on May 22, 2012, 17:21:47
Hi,
Lets not forget that you can learn a discipline too. Its a way of life. Sounds familiar Xanth? ;)
That's pretty much it.
Astral Projection (and yes, meditation) isn't something you pick up and do for a short period of time. You'll get nowhere with it.
It's a lifelong venture. As Tom Campbell puts it (he has a lot of good stuff to say, btw ;))... take the long view... in 15 - 20 years, you'll be good at it and you'll have learned lots along the journey. I don't pretend here... this *IS* a long journey, but one that's well worth it in the end (actually there is no end LoL).
Quote from: Xanth on May 22, 2012, 13:03:28
I actually disagree with this statement, and believe that the goal of everyone who meditates or wants to learn meditation should be to achieve that state of constant focus/concentration. Learning this has clear helpful implications upon your waking, physical life. It's not about "learning to meditate"... it's about becoming consistent and focused throughout your life, as a whole. Physical and non-physical.
As I usually tell people in relation to astral projection... meditation shouldn't be something you "do", it should be a state of mind/consciousness that you "are".
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/adyashanti_%E2%80%93_true_meditation_series-t36399.0.html
The series of videos I linked above explain it much better than I can. They're a long listen... but VERY worth it.
You keep generalizing and trying to group everything under 1 simple rule when there are differences. There's a difference between being mindful and consciously shutting down your physical awareness to access the astral. You do not want to be walking around in a trance state. During your daily life, your awareness should be centered in the physical. And yes, being mindful of this is the best way to do it. That's when you're properly focusing your awareness in the physical. But you can't rely strictly on physical mindfulness for AP, you have to learn to focus away from it, and those activities should be done separately for a healthy and balanced progression.
Well, all I can say is that I firmly disagree. I don't mean to function in a trance state 24/7. However, a trance state is a small shift of Intent away from a Mindful state. The states aren't different or separate... everything flows naturally from one to the next, there shouldn't be any separation.
Practicing it as a way of life as such has direct benefits in all parts of ones life. Breaking up your practices into separate physical and non-physical aspects and keeping these separate from each other, while works fine (and honestly everyone needs to start somewhere, won't take you "as far" as if you begin taking it all into your being as a whole.
Quote from: Xanth on May 23, 2012, 13:24:47
Breaking up your practices into separate physical and non-physical aspects and keeping these separate from each other, while works fine (and honestly everyone needs to start somewhere, won't take you "as far" as if you begin taking it all into your being as a whole.
I'm baffled... all I can guess is you don't understand what I'm saying.
I'm not saying breaking up practices. I'm saying when you're in your daily life, you need to focus on the physical. When you meditate, you focus away from it. Be mindful during both, but the 2 shouldn't overlap, it can cause mental disturbances and other things. I only said it as a warning to people who are attempting to be able to see into the astral all day long. It's the same as taking drugs... you need to be on the level, not tranced out.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 23, 2012, 13:55:53
I'm not saying breaking up practices. I'm saying when you're in your daily life, you need to focus on the physical. When you meditate, you focus away from it. Be mindful during both, but the 2 shouldn't overlap, it can cause mental disturbances and other things. I only said it as a warning to people who are attempting to be able to see into the astral all day long. It's the same as taking drugs... you need to be on the level, not tranced out.
It's worked wonders for Tom Campbell. Look where he is today. The only warning I would put on it is to watch that you don't lose touch on what is Astral and what is the Physical. As long as you are mindful of this, there is no harm. People have been daydreaming for years. It's good to take "time outs" to relax and release any stress you have. Psychologists have been telling people to do this for years.
I'm talking about states of consciousness more profound than daydreaming. I'm sure Thomas Campbell does not walk around in altered states of consciousness, he works from the physical after years of practice and experience.
It's not like I'm making this stuff up, this has been advice given for a long time among many schools of meditation. But I suppose not everyone is on such a hardcore path and tread much lighter, so to each his own.
One of Tom's many jobs is as a threat assessor for many private organizations. So, he does spend quite a bit of time in the Wider Reality. I know you aren't making this up, I have seen this written in many books and articles. But I feel they are judging their beliefs on fear. Their fear being, losing grasp on reality!
Nono, we're pretty much saying the same thing here... as usual. LoL
In Tom's case, and what I'm currently working on, is what Tom calls "parallel processing". Frank called it a Focus Overlay. Robert Bruce calls it the Mind Split.
It's being able to work in more than one reality frame at a time. In Tom's case, he's got it down to a precision and I'd like to work towards my own version of that.
It's about having a focused and clear consciousness at all times. Not necessarily practicing mindfulness 24/7 (although that certainly wouldn't hurt ;) ), but just keeping that focused and clear consciousness so you can then "open" yourself for whatever non-physical information you require without having to go into the whole ritual of meditating that everyone tends to do.
That's my point actually... breaking the "ritual" which most people involve themselves with in regards to meditation. Getting to the point when you don't have to "find a quiet space"... "sit down"... "breath deeply"... "focus on your breath"... it's getting to the point where you just shift your Intent towards "that state" and you're able to do it whenever and wherever you want regardless of your external environment.
Interesting thread. Back to the original question though, I only know of one person that can project on demand. Have any of you guys heard of Mellen-Thomas Benedict? He is a near death experiencer, back in the early 80's he was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer, died, and was dead for at least a hour and a half, and came back to tell his story.
Of all the OBE and NDE books and workshops I've done over the past 7 years, his voice and story ring more true than all others. After his first cosmic endeavor after he died and came back, he can access or "go to the light" as he puts it, anytime he wants. He says that most days the light will just grab him out of his body in the morning when he wakes up, or whenever he feels the need to talk! And its great because he is the most-researched and therefore most-documented NDE case going (but I still don't know why more people don't know about him, he has written books but they are yet to be published because he is always disappointed at publishing companies just trying to make money...). He has done studies for universities where he will be given a topic that he has no previous knowledge of and go to the light and come back with answers to their questions. Like specific things! Not just vague generalizations about the future but very specific facts. He has invented many things, including a new photon/electron energy rejuvenation device that replaces the electrons in your body just as acupuncture does, but without the needles! He has also done work with Cleve Backster and Bruce Lipton.
This guys has amazing knowledge and a great sense of humor. I'm still waiting for his books, But I guarantee if you check out some of his radio interviews, you will be SO addicted! He has been on Coast to Coast, Joyce Keller, Liz Millar, Scott Colburn, check out an interview, just do a search for Mellen-Thomas and you will see what I mean!
I think the thing I like most about him, besides his amazingly positive attitude about our future, is that he can see through a lot of the "new age crap" for lack of a better term and he gets right to the meat of any subject and takes a very scientific approach to understanding the nonphysical realms, not unlike Tom Campbell. Check it, you won't regret it!
Quote from: Xanth on May 23, 2012, 19:49:57
...but just keeping that focused and clear consciousness so you can then "open" yourself for whatever non-physical information you require without having to go into the whole ritual of meditating that everyone tends to do.
That's my point actually... breaking the "ritual" which most people involve themselves with in regards to meditation. Getting to the point when you don't have to "find a quiet space"... "sit down"... "breath deeply"... "focus on your breath"... it's getting to the point where you just shift your Intent towards "that state" and you're able to do it whenever and wherever you want regardless of your external environment.
Yeah, it's whole lot easier doing nothing. I can't believe you're arguing that meditation and other states of consciousness have nothing to do with AP, as if everyone is a natural clairvoyant. And why are you even bringing up ritual?
Have you ever experienced a profound state of consciousness beyond physical awareness? I'm guessing not because you would not want to carry it around with you all day. It's hard to believe such a simple concept can't be understood by the people running this place. Not just that it's not understood, but you keep refuting it with completely unrelated Tom Campbell stuff, as always, when you just talked about getting away from ritual.
Sorry astrophlakes.
In my practice, the goal is to become clairvoyant. In this case, clairvoyance is when you can remain fully in physical consciousness and can stretch your awareness beyond physical consciousness - all while remaining grounded. But the path getting there takes serious inner work and learning about the other states of consciousness and how they effect you on a conscious and unconscious level. Meaning deep, concentrated exercises that have been developed specifically for whatever level you are at.
As you begin to experience the astral and see through the illusions and aberrations, your dream life will begin to change. At first more meaningful dreams, then more and more natural lucidity, without even trying. During this time your 3rd eye is really starting to develop. After a while, "seeing" starts to become much more natural and you find yourself "seeing" into the astral much clearer while not necessarily having to go as deep into another state of consciousness. And as you keep working on yourself, both inner and outer, that vision will become more and more a natural part of your perception and enter your daily life.
This process is years of work, especially when you're self-initiated without a teacher. I can't believe that you can get there without learning about other states of consciousness first, unless you were born a natural, which is rare. The whole point of this forum from day 1 has been to teach people to enter other states of consciousness. Apparently now all you have to do is daydream about it.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2012, 11:12:04
This process is years of work, especially when you're self-initiated without a teacher. I can't believe that you can get there without learning about other states of consciousness first, unless you were born a natural, which is rare. The whole point of this forum from day 1 has been to teach people to enter other states of consciousness. Apparently now all you have to do is daydream about it.
I agree. The classic authors taught us well. Unfortunately, the new authors just teach these quick ways to achieve success without realizing all they are teaching is dream control whether asleep or awake.
I hope someday others will realize there are more profound experiences that are possible to attain. But it can take years to obtain. It took me 12 years until I could feel the vibrations totally in my head and nowhere else. It just happened this year.
Great post Stookie.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2012, 11:12:04
Yeah, it's whole lot easier doing nothing. I can't believe you're arguing that meditation and other states of consciousness have nothing to do with AP, as if everyone is a natural clairvoyant. And why are you even bringing up ritual?
Have you ever experienced a profound state of consciousness beyond physical awareness? I'm guessing not because you would not want to carry it around with you all day. It's hard to believe such a simple concept can't be understood by the people running this place. Not just that it's not understood, but you keep refuting it with completely unrelated Tom Campbell stuff, as always, when you just talked about getting away from ritual.
Nah, I'm not arguing any of that. Actually, I thought that what I posted was pretty clear... I guess not. lol
There's just a big misunderstanding happening right now between us which I'm unable to provide any further clarification for at this time. I'll just leave it at that for now since anything else I add here is probably going to end up being misunderstood as well. I'll try to type up with something that provides a bit more resolution in the near future.
Hey guys, thanks for your posts and making this thread big lol
Xanth, Stookie_, I think you mean different things when you're talking about being "focused" 24/7.
Being focused or "parallel process" (as Tom Compbel described) all the time is a good thing, because, indeed, you don't have to waste time relaxing, breathing and locking up in a quiet half-dark room, BUT ONLY as long as you can fully control your "focus", if it interferes with your physical life and you keep walking into those poles daydreaming, it becomes a threat.
I understand what Stookie_ mean by "profound state of consciousness beyond physical awareness", if you're in this state 24/7, you're in trouble, there's no way you can drive a car in this state, or operate machinery or work or function normally for that matter. You are talking about 2 different things guys...
astrophlakes, this sounds interesting, I'm gonna download his C2C interview
Quote from: sqprx on May 24, 2012, 14:00:07
Being focused or "parallel process" (as Tom Compbel described) all the time is a good thing, because, indeed, you don't have to waste time relaxing, breathing and locking up in a quiet half-dark room, BUT ONLY as long as you can fully control your "focus", if it interferes with your physical life and you keep walking into those poles daydreaming, it becomes a threat.
I understand what Stookie_ mean by "profound state of consciousness beyond physical awareness", if you're in this state 24/7, you're in trouble, there's no way you can drive a car in this state, or operate machinery or work or function normally for that matter. You are talking about 2 different things guys...
Thank you sqprx. It's not that hard to understand we're talking about different things. My original intent was to simply state a warning to people getting into this stuff - standard warnings most sites and guides to meditation include. The last thing I expected was someone to counter it.
Ah, home! At last. :)
I've got some time, I figured I'd TRY to clarify... I honestly didn't get a chance to read your entire post Stookie.
I'm starting to feel like we just need a group hug here. Maybe it's just me. ;)
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2012, 11:12:04
In my practice, the goal is to become clairvoyant. In this case, clairvoyance is when you can remain fully in physical consciousness and can stretch your awareness beyond physical consciousness - all while remaining grounded. But the path getting there takes serious inner work and learning about the other states of consciousness and how they effect you on a conscious and unconscious level. Meaning deep, concentrated exercises that have been developed specifically for whatever level you are at.
^This...
This is *EXACTLY* what I'm referring to.
We're not talking about different things at all... we're talking about the same thing in different ways.
And to connect it to Tom, because it's not completely unrelated (;))... please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coje-xbcn10
He describes in it what I'm referring to... and it's not limited to just "historical information".
Quote from: sqprx on May 24, 2012, 14:00:07
Being focused or "parallel process" (as Tom Compbel described) all the time is a good thing, because, indeed, you don't have to waste time relaxing, breathing and locking up in a quiet half-dark room, BUT ONLY as long as you can fully control your "focus", if it interferes with your physical life and you keep walking into those poles daydreaming, it becomes a threat.
This is also exactly what I was trying to say.
What I mean by adding "ritual" to your meditations is... every time you need to do certain things in order to meditate, that's considered part of your "ritual" in order to meditate. If you need to find a quiet place, sit/lie down, count breaths or any other number of things... these things we do comprise our "ritual" for meditation. Breaking free from all that, is, in my opinion (and as I said), should be the ultimate goal (again, just in my opinion) of anyone learning to meditate. This doesn't mean walking around in a trance state disconnected from physical reality... that's very unproductive. I mean what sqprx mentioned above.
Thank you sqprx. :)
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2012, 15:01:53
Thank you sqprx. It's not that hard to understand we're talking about different things. My original intent was to simply state a warning to people getting into this stuff - standard warnings most sites and guides to meditation include. The last thing I expected was someone to counter it.
It would seem like we both misunderstood the other. I'm glad we got things worked out in the end. :)
Quote from: Xanth on May 23, 2012, 19:49:57
In Tom's case, and what I'm currently working on, is what Tom calls
"parallel processing". Frank called it a Focus Overlay. Robert Bruce
calls it the Mind Split.
The Mind Split Effect is _not_ the same as bilocation.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2012, 11:12:04
Sorry astrophlakes.
I was just trying to get you guys to check out Mellen, I don't know why you're apologizing to me... Mellen is kinda a hidden treasure you should all at least check out! I always looked down upon NDE'ers because it seems like they fell into the spirit world by accident or chance (which now I do not) and we OBE'res were actively seeking out these experiences, but he just has a lot of great information to share.
As far as this topic of weather or not it's a good thing to be in altered states all the time... well I think we are getting to the point now, and some misunderstanding has taken place. I don't think anyone here is saying we should be in astral awareness all the time, but that it's good to stay as close to the spirit world, as much as we can, in our daily activities. That's all. Mindfulness and higher consciousness incorporated in our daily practice. That makes sence. We're all on the same team here and I'm thankful we have each other to talk about these things with!
I love you all, and thank you all.
thanks for Mellen - awesome reference, he's on youtube!
I've read a few books of people that can astral project easily...although these are generally people born with the ability to do it second hand like the rest of us might feel standing up and going for a walk is second hand.
That said, where there is a will there is a way. If one works at it long enough I am sure doing it on command is possible...although it would take many years I'm sure.
THIS is a wonderful topic and conversation for anyone who missed it or like a refresher.
As to the original topic my answer is no I don't. I have often had a mind split which is a phenomenal thing to have happen and very difficult to explain as words just aint enough. There are times when I can easily project with zero effort, it just happens and as has been said it is a very 'comfortable' feeling, there is no contention with this at all. But that particular energy does not always seem to be available. Where that energy comes from and how it's generated is currently beyond my understanding, I just accept it when it's available.
I know this though, if that particular energy were available 24/7 I doubt I would ever sleep. Way to fascinating!!
Thank you to all participants in this discussion and to the OP for starting it. Love
Quote from: Nameless on September 10, 2018, 00:11:48
THIS is a wonderful topic and conversation for anyone who missed it or like a refresher.
As to the original topic my answer is no I don't. I have often had a mind split which is a phenomenal thing to have happen and very difficult to explain as words just aint enough. There are times when I can easily project with zero effort, it just happens and as has been said it is a very 'comfortable' feeling, there is no contention with this at all. But that particular energy does not always seem to be available. Where that energy comes from and how it's generated is currently beyond my understanding, I just accept it when it's available.
I know this though, if that particular energy were available 24/7 I doubt I would ever sleep. Way to fascinating!!
Thank you to all participants in this discussion and to the OP for starting it. Love
There seems to be a lot of "rehashing" of old topics here. It's like the way Hollywood just keeps remaking the same movie over and over again. Is there nothing new in the world of Astral Projection? I say "no".
I just finished 12 days of vending at our State Fair, like I do every year and I have to say, focus is dead. People are so hooked to their phones and social media that they can't enjoy what they are doing and where they are doing it, at that moment in time.
I can't tell you how many times while demonstrating the items that we sell, that someone put their phone, without asking, just so they could video what I was doing. We sell hand carved croaking frogs and various animal/musical instruments, that MJ and I design. We have been vendors there for 16 years now and every year I see that the ability to focus on one thing alone, is getting worse.
I have spoken to others that teach AP as well and they are finding the same thing. There are many more interested in this practice, which is good. Unfortunately many also latch on because it's the "flavor of the day" or they think it might be cool to "try it". Unfortunately, their lack of "sustained" focus and general "staying" power, leads to their failure.
I hear you Lumaza. I guess everyone either reaches that place where they want to really explore or not. I sometimes see signs of people detaching from their devices or trying to at least so even that 'flavor of the day' I think one day will no longer hold their attention. Wonder what will be next.
I kind of get it though, I was that way about taking pictures once. Then one day my kids told me just put down the camera and walk away. Haha, I did and found I much prefer truly experiencing their laughter and joy to having a few (too many) photos. I now rarely even think of my camera.
I'm actually glad you are back from the fair, been missing your interaction round here. Relax a while and catch up, talk later.
Hugs
Quote from: Nameless on September 10, 2018, 02:00:39
I hear you Lumaza. I guess everyone either reaches that place where they want to really explore or not. I sometimes see signs of people detaching from their devices or trying to at least so even that 'flavor of the day' I think one day will no longer hold their attention. Wonder what will be next.
I kind of get it though, I was that way about taking pictures once. Then one day my kids told me just put down the camera and walk away. Haha, I did and found I much prefer truly experiencing their laughter and joy to having a few (too many) photos. I now rarely even think of my camera.
I'm actually glad you are back from the fair, been missing your interaction round here. Relax a while and catch up, talk later.
Hugs
Just the same, it was a great thread though. It had some very good replies in it! :-) Things that really do have "relevance", especially now.
I hear you both.. it does take an huge effort to disconnect from the devices, I love listening to podcast and hearing the voices way more then looking at the short info that you find on social media. The content are mostly quotes and short lived moments, conversation are not expanded to go deeper.
I do have hope that it will go to some way that will surprise us, it could be opening doors to an even stronger desire to connect that did not existed before, human nature does for some odd reason survives the worst( kinda like cockroaches or rats) :-D :wink:.. and will impress us how it can resurface and create, we would not be here talking if it was not for that incredible phenomena of human nature to gather and recreates itself, Jeez... maybe its not human nature but something we don't even know :-o ...What could it be ?
anyway,
there is obviously some that do go out of there way to avoid these influences, we also have a tendencies to get bored of new toys very fast. I notice that it took sometimes for me to play with the Instagram and other few social media thing to only find out that my needs were getting more clear and what they are truly about in my mind as I was exploring these avenues. Still, it does take a balance approach and a conscious effort, which could be the point, becoming more conscious of where we give our energy.
Interesting topic this thread indeed...
got to go to the doorway one next and Nameless journals :wink: Now that is were there is depth and devotion , Thank goodness :-D :-D :-D
first got to go to bed and should be back this week...
Tourloo
I pretty happy honestly, i've been able to project/phase on demand pretty well. I've been diving hard into tactile sensations and immersion and other factors to immerse myself into the non physical. Some helpful tips besides just thinking and meditate, I know you guys are talking about people being glue'd to their screens, well another good why to practice tactile sensation immersion, try literally projecting yourself into the place of the character in any show you watch, it can be useful. feel the scenario you see on the screen it can be good practice.
Some of the biggest problems im having now is, what do I want to do? literally there are so many options of doing Anything, its pretty over whelming. I've been thinking I should design a house on paper and try to memorize it and see how strong I can make it in the non physical. Do a classic sherlock holmes appledore/mind palace.
I do enjoy replaying kewl things from anime tho and other kewl scenarios like beach's forests you name it, very fun. of course i'm not just replaying things as well, but when it comes to new discoverys, its hard not to accidently get off track and lose immersion if you don't have some sort of plan, unless you have a very passive mind which can still be tough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln3Jm55Abl8
Funfire - Hahahahha, that was so cool. Love Plume I know you will want to see that very short youtube. :-D
As usual Plume I love how you state your thoughts. There are a lot of people that just want to be left alone which gives me a thought for Lumaza. Those people are not likely to be the ones he would see at the fairs as I doubt many of these people visit such places often. :-(
Some Buddhist monks can do it.
When they do their self-immolation they are already OBE. They dont feel a damn thing when they're being burned alive because they have left their body already. I mean can you picture being on fire and not even flinching once??
Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wN0ayZZVHc&bpctr=1536609533
Quote from: Nameless on September 10, 2018, 02:00:39
I'm actually glad you are back from the fair, been missing your interaction round here. Relax a while and catch up, talk later.
Hugs
Thank You for your kind words Nameless! :-)
I don't think I ever said what it was that we sold at our State Fair.
About 20 years ago MJ and I came across a item called a Croaking Frog rasp. While, I was the one that found them at a convention. I knew MJ's love of Frogs. So, I brought a case of them home. The man I purchased them from, said they were nothing special. But he just had them sitting on a counter with no explanation of what they did.
My whole life I sold pitch/demo products. So, I saw the possibilities of these becoming a business. They were fun and made almost everyone smile, so I knew we would do well.
A few years in, MJ and I began designing our own line of Hand Carved Musical Instruments. We wanted to create a line that went with our current surroundings and location. So, we created Loons and Timberwolves, Turtles, Squirrels, Elephants, Crickets, Owls even some fun things like Dolphins, Monkeys and Penguins. Each animal item is musical in some way or the other. Every year since, we have added at least one new design to the next years State Fair. We are currently working on a Donkey design for next year. Well, actually, we have been working on the Donkey design for 4 years now. It's hard to get wood to "Hee Haw", lol! :-D
Our booth is outdoors in what is known as the International Bizarre of our State Fair. You can hear our animals about 3 rows before you even get to our booth. MJ and I wanted it to be visually appealing as well. So we about 16 years ago when we first began vending at the Fair, we created our booth design to be a Rainforest setting, with all the trimmings, including a actual 30 gallon tank Waterfall. I then came across a really cool light machine that created spirals and patterns of colors. It was a kind of Wave/Light machine. We put that in the center of the booth, hi-lighting our giant Frog, that sits upon the Waterfall, to create a "Aura of Mystery".
For a time, my target market was the nighttime crowd. Hence the focus on creating a visual atmosphere to go with the sounds. But last year, they closed our area a hour earlier. So, we never really got the after the Concert fun and drunk folks. They LOVED the booth, lol! :-D Our booth light show is pretty strong, so it doesn't have to be totally dark out to enjoy it.
It's incredible to see how the sounds and sights of booth make people so relaxed. I even use that in my description. I tell people that sounds of Nature are very Therapeutic, which is the truth.
The State fair is always good for us. It is a lot of hard work. But 98.5 of the people we meet are a pleasure. It's just the a small percentage that we could do without. That percentage doesn't seem like much, but when the State Fair brings in almost 2 million people in 12 days, it gets to be quite a bit.
Here are some pictures I took this year of the booth. I posted them at my Photobucket page.
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