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Quote from: Xanth on May 23, 2012, 13:24:47Breaking up your practices into separate physical and non-physical aspects and keeping these separate from each other, while works fine (and honestly everyone needs to start somewhere, won't take you "as far" as if you begin taking it all into your being as a whole.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 23, 2012, 13:55:53I'm not saying breaking up practices. I'm saying when you're in your daily life, you need to focus on the physical. When you meditate, you focus away from it. Be mindful during both, but the 2 shouldn't overlap, it can cause mental disturbances and other things. I only said it as a warning to people who are attempting to be able to see into the astral all day long. It's the same as taking drugs... you need to be on the level, not tranced out.
Quote from: Xanth on May 23, 2012, 19:49:57...but just keeping that focused and clear consciousness so you can then "open" yourself for whatever non-physical information you require without having to go into the whole ritual of meditating that everyone tends to do.That's my point actually... breaking the "ritual" which most people involve themselves with in regards to meditation. Getting to the point when you don't have to "find a quiet space"... "sit down"... "breath deeply"... "focus on your breath"... it's getting to the point where you just shift your Intent towards "that state" and you're able to do it whenever and wherever you want regardless of your external environment.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2012, 11:12:04This process is years of work, especially when you're self-initiated without a teacher. I can't believe that you can get there without learning about other states of consciousness first, unless you were born a natural, which is rare. The whole point of this forum from day 1 has been to teach people to enter other states of consciousness. Apparently now all you have to do is daydream about it.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2012, 11:12:04Yeah, it's whole lot easier doing nothing. I can't believe you're arguing that meditation and other states of consciousness have nothing to do with AP, as if everyone is a natural clairvoyant. And why are you even bringing up ritual?Have you ever experienced a profound state of consciousness beyond physical awareness? I'm guessing not because you would not want to carry it around with you all day. It's hard to believe such a simple concept can't be understood by the people running this place. Not just that it's not understood, but you keep refuting it with completely unrelated Tom Campbell stuff, as always, when you just talked about getting away from ritual.
Quote from: sqprx on May 24, 2012, 14:00:07Being focused or "parallel process" (as Tom Compbel described) all the time is a good thing, because, indeed, you don't have to waste time relaxing, breathing and locking up in a quiet half-dark room, BUT ONLY as long as you can fully control your "focus", if it interferes with your physical life and you keep walking into those poles daydreaming, it becomes a threat.I understand what Stookie_ mean by "profound state of consciousness beyond physical awareness", if you're in this state 24/7, you're in trouble, there's no way you can drive a car in this state, or operate machinery or work or function normally for that matter. You are talking about 2 different things guys...
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2012, 11:12:04In my practice, the goal is to become clairvoyant. In this case, clairvoyance is when you can remain fully in physical consciousness and can stretch your awareness beyond physical consciousness - all while remaining grounded. But the path getting there takes serious inner work and learning about the other states of consciousness and how they effect you on a conscious and unconscious level. Meaning deep, concentrated exercises that have been developed specifically for whatever level you are at.
Quote from: sqprx on May 24, 2012, 14:00:07Being focused or "parallel process" (as Tom Compbel described) all the time is a good thing, because, indeed, you don't have to waste time relaxing, breathing and locking up in a quiet half-dark room, BUT ONLY as long as you can fully control your "focus", if it interferes with your physical life and you keep walking into those poles daydreaming, it becomes a threat.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2012, 15:01:53Thank you sqprx. It's not that hard to understand we're talking about different things. My original intent was to simply state a warning to people getting into this stuff - standard warnings most sites and guides to meditation include. The last thing I expected was someone to counter it.
Quote from: Xanth on May 23, 2012, 19:49:57In Tom's case, and what I'm currently working on, is what Tom calls"parallel processing". Frank called it a Focus Overlay. Robert Brucecalls it the Mind Split.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2012, 11:12:04Sorry astrophlakes.
Quote from: Nameless on September 10, 2018, 00:11:48THIS is a wonderful topic and conversation for anyone who missed it or like a refresher.As to the original topic my answer is no I don't. I have often had a mind split which is a phenomenal thing to have happen and very difficult to explain as words just aint enough. There are times when I can easily project with zero effort, it just happens and as has been said it is a very 'comfortable' feeling, there is no contention with this at all. But that particular energy does not always seem to be available. Where that energy comes from and how it's generated is currently beyond my understanding, I just accept it when it's available.I know this though, if that particular energy were available 24/7 I doubt I would ever sleep. Way to fascinating!!Thank you to all participants in this discussion and to the OP for starting it. Love
Quote from: Nameless on September 10, 2018, 02:00:39I hear you Lumaza. I guess everyone either reaches that place where they want to really explore or not. I sometimes see signs of people detaching from their devices or trying to at least so even that 'flavor of the day' I think one day will no longer hold their attention. Wonder what will be next.I kind of get it though, I was that way about taking pictures once. Then one day my kids told me just put down the camera and walk away. Haha, I did and found I much prefer truly experiencing their laughter and joy to having a few (too many) photos. I now rarely even think of my camera.I'm actually glad you are back from the fair, been missing your interaction round here. Relax a while and catch up, talk later. Hugs