Breakthroguh! Finally figured out the magic ingredient to project!

[Unabomber]

Dear friends, I couldn't begin to describe my excitement to you after this enormous step in my personal development, but I will share this story to you of what just happened, so perhaps you can benefit from it in some way or another.


~ 9:00 pm

I decided I would lay down for another session of energy work and guidance from higher-self to help me find my way to astral projection and whatever comes after that.
I soon realized that I needed a new technique of effectively raising energy in order to project.

So, and this was the key ingredient - I decided I would, with my mind"pull IN" energy from my feet.
5-10 min after I had layed down, after my energy body would get stronger and stronger buzzing yet not uncomfortably, suddenly with an instant i would start getting bodily and thought-wise paralyzed and exit vibrations would hit me (softly) to kick me out.
So, there it is folks, the magic ingredient. I raised more and more energy by pulling it in from my feet and up my spine and this would start kicking me out of body literally within less than 10 minutes.
Contrary to popular belief my experiences have shown me that a deep trance is not necessary in order to project - and that the objective is not to shut down theb physical-mind at all as is proclaimed so often, but to activate the energy body, raise energy until the point that it becomes like a rocket of a burst that you can use to just shoot out of the physical body.

Until this day I have only pondered what the key ingredient might be, having only the usual and rare spontaneous OBEs in the morning and such.
Now that I can reproduce them at the spot, my journey can begin  



kind regards,

Paul

[NoY]

Congratz Paul 

:NoY:

[Naykid]

Congrats.  Where did you go when you projected?

[Unabomber]

Congrats.  Where did you go when you projected?

I abborted the process so I could process the technique and write it down.

I'm going to continue now, although It'll be hard to relax with all that excitement.

[Unabomber]

Congratz Paul 

:NoY:

I'd like to hear some more of your stories too. I know you're a pretty experienced one...

[Naykid]

I abborted the process so I could process the technique and write it down.

I'm going to continue now, although It'll be hard to relax with all that excitement.

Woot!  Good luck!  and of course keep us up to date.  I'm excited for you. 

[Unabomber]

Woot!  Good luck!  and of course keep us up to date.  I'm excited for you.  

Thank you.


I just repeated the process and the same thing started happening, well but now my body needs some food and entertainment  .

I forgot to mention a few curious details.


I experimented a bit with the separation process - when it happens, it is interesting to note how talking seems to get harder and harder as it proceeds, eventually I can just mumble before losing bodily grip alltogether.
It is also interestin to note how sense of heat and cold seems to diminish.
I have used energy raising in another situation yesterday when i stood out in the cold to avoid the pain of freezing, with a few guys outside a pub during a smoking break. My body would feel cold but I myself active in my energy body would no longer suffer from it.

[Xanth]

Good job Tiny. 

[personalreality]

Tiny!

damnit ryan.

i was in the process of posting my Tiny revelation and you posted seconds before me.

[Unabomber]

Good job Tiny. 

well, well - i told you   

[Xanth]

Tiny!

damnit ryan.

i was in the process of posting my Tiny revelation and you posted seconds before me.

I R TEH WINNAR. 

well, well - i told you   

Welcome back. 

[Tiny]

we only allow one account

tat better i suppose...

[Xanth]

tat better i suppose...

Ok then, I'll talk to Adrian about getting that other one disabled.  Thanks

[Tiny]

In retrospect, I am suprised that I have tried so many, many mental techniques all with no avail, including all those internal energy-movement techniques.
I guess I just never placed enough emphasis on energy pulling itself and too much on visualization exercises.


It makes projection awfully easy, given the individual has patience and a certain degree of focus is available to him.
I keep finding that tensing up of muscles, i will agree with robert bruce, is an unfortunate byproduct of a lot of energy raising.

Ok then, I'll talk to Adrian about getting that other one disabled.  Thanks

yea that'll be fine, since this one still exists.

[Naykid]

Thank you.


I just repeated the process and the same thing started happening, well but now my body needs some food and entertainment  .

I forgot to mention a few curious details.


I experimented a bit with the separation process - when it happens, it is interesting to note how talking seems to get harder and harder as it proceeds, eventually I can just mumble before losing bodily grip alltogether.
It is also interestin to note how sense of heat and cold seems to diminish.
I have used energy raising in another situation yesterday when i stood out in the cold to avoid the pain of freezing, with a few guys outside a pub during a smoking break. My body would feel cold but I myself active in my energy body would no longer suffer from it.

I've never used the energy raising myself, but I can relate to the talking gets harder and harder, not that I make it a point to talk while meditating but occasionally one of my kids will interrupt and I can answer without messing anything up and having to start over.  And funny enough, it's when I'm in a light trance when I can still speak but veeeeerrrrrrrryyyyy sloooowwwlllyyy.  

Your story about the standing outside in the cold made me think of monks that can control their body temp.  

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html  

[Tiny]

I've never used the energy raising myself, but I can relate to the talking gets harder and harder, not that I make it a point to talk while meditating but occasionally one of my kids will interrupt and I can answer without messing anything up and having to start over.  And funny enough, it's when I'm in a light trance when I can still speak but veeeeerrrrrrrryyyyy sloooowwwlllyyy.  

Your story about the standing outside in the cold made me think of monks that can control their body temp.  

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html  

Yes and it made me also think of those people who could freeze themselves in Ice without dying such as this guy:

I can think of no reason other than energy raising.

[Naykid]

No way would I do that... I hate the cold, my muscle hurt.  How long did he stay in that thing??? yikes.

I was going to mention I did test my breathing technique when I had a Dr. appt.  I did my breathing for about ten minutes while waiting for the nurse to come in and take my blood pressure and what not and she commented that my blood pressure was running low that day, but nothing to worry about.  I had the biggest grin on my face because I knew why it was low.

[Xanth]

In retrospect, I am suprised that I have tried so many, many mental techniques all with no avail, including all those internal energy-movement techniques.
I guess I just never placed enough emphasis on energy pulling itself and too much on visualization exercises.

Personally speaking, and we may be talking semantics here, but I don't rely on any "energy" work what-so-ever in my projections. 
I don't see it as necessary.

[Tiny]

Personally speaking, and we may be talking semantics here, but I don't rely on any "energy" work what-so-ever in my projections. 
I don't see it as necessary.

Then yor in the wrong thread, son! 

[Xanth]

Then yor in the wrong thread, son! 

Nah, just putting out there the opinion that "energy work" isn't necessary for astral projection. 

[Stookie]

But for some it obviously is, or this thread wouldn't have been started. It kinda sounds like your knocking his progress. Tiny found what works for him. Well, almost, as he aborted! What's with that? Next time push through! It's like turning the space shuttle around before it leaves the atmosphere.

[Xanth]

I don't knock.  I never knock.
I give alternative possibilities.  

Someone might come to this thread... and it be the only thing they read, then they leave thinking that energy work is required for astral projection.
Well, to me, someone who has pretty much not done any, can project just fine.  This was the trap that I fell into over the last 10 years... thinking I had to do all this stuff to project, when all I really needed to do was listen to myself.  aka quiet the mind and forget the body.

In any case, I'm not saying "DO NOT DO ENERGY WORK", if that's your thing, then go with it.
I'm just tossing out the option that, "hey, perhaps you just don't need to do energy work, because I sure didn't".  

[Tiny]

But for some it obviously is, or this thread wouldn't have been started. It kinda sounds like your knocking his progress. Tiny found what works for him. Well, almost, as he aborted! What's with that? Next time push through! It's like turning the space shuttle around before it leaves the atmosphere.

you have to understand that I am scientist in mind, and I feel I need to study the exit-process more carefully. I don't just go on trips. I am analytical, not opportunist.

In other words, I don't just wait for the chance at random, i want to study very carefully. I don't see any gain in doing something that I don't yet fully understand.


I have had many random OBEs before, but i don't see any achievement in waiting til one just happens again.


By the way, I will not engage in arguments, not now, not in the future. I'm here to help, no other interest.



kind regards,

Paul

[Naykid]

But for some it obviously is, or this thread wouldn't have been started. It kinda sounds like your knocking his progress. Tiny found what works for him. Well, almost, as he aborted! What's with that? Next time push through! It's like turning the space shuttle around before it leaves the atmosphere.

I don't think I'd be able to restrain myself and not lift off if I'd made it that far. 

Xanth have you had an conscious obe yet?  If you haven't how do you know it's because you don't do energy work.     I noticed this morning, when I used tiny's tech it did seem to speed up the process, but I don't know if that was a placebo effect.

[Xanth]

I don't think I'd be able to restrain myself and not lift off if I'd made it that far.  

Xanth have you had an conscious obe yet?  If you haven't how do you know it's because you don't do energy work.     I noticed this morning, when I used tiny's tech it did seem to speed up the process, but I don't know if that was a placebo effect.

First, "how" I project doesn't matter.  Fact of the matter is that I DO project.
Secondly, I have stuck got my foot in the door as far as conscious exits are concerned.
So yes, I can say, unequivocally, that I do not require energy work for successful projections.

But as I pointed out, I'm not saying "DO NOT DO ENERGY WORK"... I'm saying that I don't need to do it, so others might not either.  
In the end, people do best for themselves.