Can anybody help me with proof?

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

Speaking of quantum physics and "connectedness", I have just uploaded to the file libary an excellent 73 page work on these very issue which Fran most kindly brought my attention to:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/file_library.asp?showmethefile=34&thatcat=14&thiscat=E%2DBooks

This is a very modern work, but which is also completely compatible with the ancient Universal wisdoms.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Tisha]

At first I saw nothing, as if you were just messing with me!  Then I realized I am so furious with my boyfriend right now that I probably am not too "plugged in."  So my task now, UGH, is to calm down, and acknowledge that the selfish characteristics I see in my boyfriend are really "me" and that his character defects are but that part of myself I'm rejecting right now (i.e., selfishness, self-centeredness). Then I will try to meditate on this and later on make a decision on how to transform my relationship with my imagined "other."

So, Frank, after I have COMPLETELY humiliated myself with this personal exercise I will try to find something out about what you've put on your computer, something more descriptive than square/rectangular and black/dark.  Good day . . . and anyone else who wants to give it a whirl, go for it, I won't mind!

[Frank]

quote:
So, Frank, after I have COMPLETELY humiliated myself with this personal exercise I will try to find something out about what you've put on your computer, something more descriptive than square/rectangular and black/dark.  Good day . . . and anyone else who wants to give it a whirl, go for it, I won't mind!

It was a book, though I did not just select it for its shape (very rectangular). I did not know what was written in the book as my wife had just finished it. When I typed the words about something that didn't quite go I thought I was being slightly "clever" in a sort of testing sense. I did not mean that to come across in the sense that I was "messing" with you in any way. I'm ever so sorry such has appeared to be the case.

Okay, I swapped the book with another object. It's about 11cm deep and about 6cm high... any takers?

Yours,
Frank

[Tisha]

Sooooo . . . there was only one (rectangular/square) object, when you implied in your post that there were TWO unrelated objects? . . . more than clever my dear, you were messing, unless you never MEANT to imply what you did []  Don't worry - no hard feelings!

So now, I realize that I'm pretty good at this.  So stop me before I get a big fat ego.  Now, who's checking out my altar?

[Frank]

I never meant to imply two objects. Just the one and a "missing factor". There was one object and a missing aspect that didn't quite go. Not another object. Okay, so I removed that and have a single object on top of my computer for consideration... anyone?

Yours,
Frank

[James Davis]

OK, Frank -- in the spirit of FUN (and not because I have any demonstrated ability in this area) here goes:  i saw the glass pyramid thing-y at first, then it turned into some sort of bird, maybe a duck.  Then I ran a second check, and came up with a round, green ashtray, with little grooves around it, around the rim.  Was I a mile off, or two miles?  Hopefully Tisha won't read this before she takes a crack at it.  I wouldn't want to throw off her perfectly good impressions...

JD

[Frank]

James: Yes, naturally objective here is to have fun. The thread was getting a little heavy for one reason or another. So I, for one, thought a little lightheartedness would be a good thing.

A few observations thus far.

1) I've said many times that I haven't got a mystical bone in my body. So what I'm finding is I'm reacting mentally against Tisha's notion of an object on an "altar". Therefore I wondered, Tisha, if you could place an object on some ordinary table, say.

2) Another difficulty I've found is keeping my mind entirely open, and just somehow allow the neccessary information to come into mind. There is a strong tendency for the creative-fantasy side of my imagination to want to fill the void, so to speak. In Tisha's case, every time I try I just get an impression of two large, lit candles each in a fairly ornate silver holder coupled with a string of beads of some kind.

3) When guessing the object I think it would be easier if, at first, we attempt to identify more the class of the object, rather than go into specific detail.

For example, in your case James, rather than being specific about a bird. If you had taken a step back from this and said, "An animal of some kind" you would have been correct. As it was a small wood carving of a hippopotamus. Okay, purists may argue we are widening the goalposts just to make it easier. But what the heck.

4) Also, to provide some kind of basis, what I have done is folded a sheet of white, A4 paper in half. This I placed on the top of my computer, upon which the object is placed. I wondered if all participants could do this as well so we had some kind of common start point.

Okay, so I placed another object on the paper, any ideas?

Yours,
Frank

[clandestino]

is it a small toy car ?

Ok, I've joined in the exercise too. I have an object placed on a folded sheet of white A4, just beneath my monitor. Any ideas ?

[Tisha]

Frank, would it make you feel better if I told you that my so-called "altar" is a north-facing bureau drawer, dark walnut in color, with a small decorative mirror, also framed in walnut, attached?  You are dead-on about the pair of candlesticks and the beads.  They are many strings of fake pearls (symbols of the moon and feminine qualities), hung from the mirror.  So don't worry, you are doing great!

But there is more . . . the top of this dresser is filled with meaningful objects.  Try again!

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino

is it a small toy car ?

Ok, I've joined in the exercise too. I have an object placed on a folded sheet of white A4, just beneath my monitor. Any ideas ?

I'm sorry, no it is not.

As to your object I just don't know... something red? No, don't say I'll give it another go tomorrow.

Yours,
Frank

[Terry B]

And you said you weren't good Tisha..
Do you have any formal training in remote viewing? Or do you just do it like that?

Clandestino and James,

It might be better if you don't do any labelling on what you see. The mind always like to fill in detail making a good result wrong.

Instead of saying a small toy car maybe you should just say that it is something small or shiny or red etc.

And no, this is not my attempt at rv.[]

[clandestino]

Fair point Terry B.

I think I'll leave it to the experts (like Tisha) !
cheers,
Mark

[Frank]

Clandestino: A small radio?

Yours,
Frank

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by Tisha

But there is more . . . the top of this dresser is filled with meaningful objects.  Try again!

Problem is, now I know what it is I keep thinking of all kinds of objects that may be on there! Whereas before all I kept seeing were these two candles and a string of beads.

Yours,
Frank

[clandestino]

sorry Frank...

Anyone else have any ideas ??

[Tisha]

Hi Frank, Clandestino, and ALL:

The hardest part of RV work is differentiating between what is a good "message" and what is your preconcieved notions of what "ought" to be or what "might" be.   (oy, now I'm acting like an expert on RV.  I never thought of myself this way before)

Don't downplay your imaginations . . . it is the doorway to the Psychic.  Or at least along the path somewhere.   Instead, try to wipe out your preconceived notions.   If you have a vision, ask yourself, "did I see this just because I thought it OUGHT to be there?"   If what you see seems silly and improbable, don't beat yourself up over it.   It was probably a vague or slightly mixed-up version of the truth.   So fuzz it up a bit, or "widen the goal-posts," as Frank suggested.  Think about the characteristics of what you saw and describe that instead.

For instance, one of Frank's more recent contributions to this discussion seemed, to me, as some kind of container.  WELL, what I REALLY saw was an aged brass ashtray shaped like a shoe.  But was I going to say THAT?   No way, it seemed to weird and improbable (Frank, you don't smoke, do you?).  So, if I was "plugged in" at that moment and actually on to something real, it might have been an ashtray, a container, a small shoe (6 cm X 11 cm), something shaped like an ashtray or a shoe, something brass that had nothing to do with shoes or ashtrays, something sort of that color that had nothing to do with any of these things, a horseshoe . . . see where I'm going at this?

OR, I might have just been "off" at that moment.

Bringing this down to Real Life, we mix up our real perceptions and our preconceived notions all the time.  I'm particularly BAD at this.  So I'm working on it.  So if YOU, folks, want to get better at RV, practice during your ordinary relationships with people you know. Before reacting to something someone says . . . think, "am I reacting to what he/she is REALLY saying, or am I coloring his/her words with my preconceived notions?"  Betcha you'll get in fewer disagreements if you make it a regular practice.

Frank, I'm interested in what you thought was on my dresser.  You might simply be downplaying your impressions.  Don't judge yourself on your own, let us know!

[goingslow]

a stapler?

[Parmenion]

'Tis an awfull shame that Grendel left when he did. I hope he comes back and see's what a response his topic is recieving.

To join in : Clandestino ~ a toy soldier?

Parmenion

[James Davis]

Frank (and Tisha) thanks for the advice.  I'm definitely more aware of how eager I am to "categorize" and "particularize" something before I have the impressions to justify it.  Having said that, my patience isn't that great either, which leads me to jump in with my latest try at Frank's object:  some sort of plant.

James

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by James Davis

which leads me to jump in with my latest try at Frank's object:  some sort of plant.
James

James: no, sorry.

Clandestino: I got a strong impression this morning it was money.

Yours,
Frank

[Ashfo]

Tish, can you provide us with some info on how you got into RV and the tehcniques used? Or websites perhaps.... book reccomendations?

Thanks,


Ashfo

[Tisha]

Ashfo,

My first inclination was to tell you I didn't get it from a book at all.  In fact, I never thought of myself as an expert at this, so I'm hesitant to even give advice.  But then I thought . . . well, I've been practicing what I call the "intuitive arts" for many, many years now, with varying intensity, and I HAVE read many books about many topics pertaining to psychic phenomenon.  So, it's likely that I picked up a technique or two (or ten) from one or more of those books without really remembering that I did it.

One book I read recently that I like is:  Crysal Balls and Crystal Bowls:  Tools for Ancient Scrying and Modern Seership, by Ted Andrews, Llewellyn Publications, 1995 (ISBN 1-56718-026-4).  The author teaches you how to use things such as crystal balls, bowls of water, candlelight, etc., to "see."    Even if you'd rather RV without the use of props (what if you need to find a lost object and you left your crystal ball at home?), the meditation excercises, the theory, the step-by-step guidelines in this book are ALL very good, and I recommend them.

My PERSONAL guidelines are simple, but difficult to ingrain.  

1. First, know deep in your heart that it can be done.

2. Then, know deep in your heart that YOU can do it.  These two steps are the hardest of all to accept.  You'll lose track of them over and over and over again, because

3.  Most people in the ordinary world will insist that you're a fool, an idiot, a flake for even thinking it's possible.  Choose your friends wisely if you wish to go down this path.  You will probably need to create a "sub-reality" within your so-called "ordinary reality" in order to operate to your full potential. Anyone who needs help on this should start a NEW thread (in the metaphysical section, not here) about creating sacred space to do psychic work.  I'll be happy to post there.

4.  Pay attention to your brain "flashes." Your brain generates tens of thousands of split-second images a day and you ignore most of them.  Why?  Because most images SEEM like nonsense to us.  We live in a go-go-go society, requiring us to respond immediately to things, rather than allowing us to ponder why our math instructor brings up in our heads visions of alarm clocks or peacocks or shoes or whatever.  But most of these seemingly inane visions are actually quite symbolic.  That is why you need to

5.  Slow down.  Spend time alone, meditate, take note of your dreams and your visions.  Then,

6.  Pay attention to those visions! You won't be able to crack the code on all of them, mostly because you won't have time.  But know you had those visions for a reason.  

7.  Don't get frustrated.  Allow for some mystery to remain in your life - - - some things you'll never understand!

8.  Practice with a sympathetic friend who is also interested in developing this skill (see advice #3).

9.  If you get good at RV (or any kind of psychic phenomena) and you begin to pass yourself off as some kind of expert, you will invariably, and often quite publicly, embarrass yourself. So take this all on in the spirit of wonder and fun, and keep your ego in check.

Hope this helps,

[clandestino]

Hello there folks, i've just returned from a weekend in sunny Edinburgh...

Frank :
The item in question is a small glass pebble from the Guiness factory...there is a tiny compartment of the black stuff in the middle. Interestingly, it is money ! (of sorts). You use it as currency to get a free pint of guiness at the bar.

Is that an RV success ?

hi Tisha !

do you have any/many friends that you can share these interests with ? For me, I guess its a case of (like you said):
"Most people in the ordinary world will insist that you're a fool, an idiot, a flake for even thinking it's possible."

The friends I discuss it with, are you folks here !

Anyway, i'm off on hols to Oz tomorrow, so see you all soon.
best wishes,
Mark

[Grendel]

I have been trying OBE, energy work, etc. for quite a while now.  While I've had some interesting experiences, I haven't had anything that even comes close to being OB.  I think my problem is that I'm a very logical, scientific person.  Mathematics and logic are what I do for a living.  So my mind just cannot grasp the concept that any of this is really possible.  It's extremely easy to explain away what happens to me, and even if I DID have an OBE, there are too many ways to disprove it in my mind, and it's horribly frustrating to me. []

So what I'm asking is this.  Has anybody here ever helped somebody by helping them to prove that it is all real?  That everybody here, myself included, isn't just delusional?  From what I've read from Robert Bruce, it's pretty much possible to go anywhere and meet anybody.  So it should be possible to do something like this, right?

For example : If I helped people get a general idea of where I am (Not a street address, I only want to be visited astrally, thank you.), could they go to me, and read one word on a card that I put out?  Or describe my bedroom, or house, or anything at all?  If I just had the SLIGHTEST bit of proof that there was something to all of this, it would help me immensely, both in my own practices, as well as mentally (I currently mentally live in a very cold, sterile world where when we die, we die.  Something like the proof I'm looking for would blow the lid off my life.  In a good way).

Is there anybody here who could help me?  I'm willing to try everything I can on my end to make this work.  Anybody? [?]