Celestial's Projection Development Levels

[Tom]

You changed your name. Odd that it took so long for me to notice that you are the same person. It should have crossed my mind because under both names you have had similar interesting things to say. I thought you had gone.

I'm still at your intermediate level.

There is one person who used the term grandmaster before that I can remember. It was not received well. It was in reiki. Not even Dr. Usui called himself that.

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey Tom. Thanks for the reply.

First off...

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And thanks for sharing your appreciation of my posts.

I got the list of... categories from chess actually. At Pogo.com the list is up to Master, and I know that there is a Grandmaster title in chess, so it fit for me. I'll just have to make the Grandmaster level requirements worthy of all the hype surrounding such a name. [:O]

Thanks for the reply.

Celestial.
(Darryl E. Berry Jr.)

[Kenny]

hello celestial. []

Too bad I am still at beginner, but Salvia is increasing my imagination. Everythings going well.

[Nay]

Hi, Darryl.

I'm a Intermediate....I think..[?] Tell me what you think.
The other morning I relaxed for a few minutes, and all went well, next thing I realized I'm paralyzed, so I tried to set up, and found I weighed a ton! I finally managed to get up, but there was this time delay thing going on and it was extremly hard to stay focused..[!]  I know a few things happened but can only remember bits of them. I ended up in my body again, it took me a minute to get unparalyzed.  I also had a slight headache right between my eyes.

Any idea on what happened?

[)] Nay.

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey Nay!

Thanks for sharing.

Looks to me like you had a separation. Good show. I suggest that you just relax when you are in paralysis. You'll ease out of the body, and you'll stay focuses and calm. It's much easier that way too.

Thanks again for sharing. You're on a roll.

Take care.

Celestial
(Darryl E. Berry Jr.)

[Ashy]

One of the books on astral projection that i have read talked about getting to the level of being able to seperate at any time and place. for eg.  on a bus etc.
Perhaps being able to do this would qualify you for "GrandMaster".

[Cryo_Optics]

I'm at expert, (project daily or so), but how do the sublevels go? And would master be able to project at any time/place? I like you're ideas, maybe we can meet up on the astral sometime and mess with people while they're sleeping (it's more fun than you'd think, heck, my brother has dreams about me when I mess with him in the astral). Anywho, this sounds cool, I hope we get a ton of people in it, and if it gets going, I could make a seperate website for the members and they're levels maybe.

[Greytraveller]

Here is a helpful suggestion for all of us projectors who have not yet reached the Expert level. (I have had many OBEs but cannot project anywhere near once a week.)
To help keep track of development divide the projection 'Process' into 4 separate steps.
Step 1. The Pre-projection state. Includes, but is not limited to - meditation, trance, vibrations, sleep paralysis, whirring or roaring noises and closed eyed visuals.
Step 2. Near projection. Part of the astral-ethereal (subtle) body moves on its own or shows other signs of activity.
Step 3. Partial projection. Part, but not all, of the astral-ethereal (subtle) body separates from the physical body.
Step 4. Full Projection - OBE. The full enchilada. The big Kahuna. A full-blown OBE complete with floating, seeing the physical body, flying, passing through material objects, etc, etc.
Note that a projection could last only a few seconds And yet be a full blown OBE. []

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey Ashy. Great standard for Grandmaster. Thanks for sharing. [] What what book is it that you speak of?
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Hey Cryo. Thanks for sharing your liking of my ideas. I appreciate it. [] And what are your techniques for projection?

I wouldn't want to mess with people while they're sleeping, but I'd love for you to join us in going to Giza every Saturday. See the Pyramid on Saturdays thread in OBE experiences.

Great thought about the site. The numbers seem to be growing. []
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Hello again Grey. That's a great breakdown of the projection steps. Thanks for sharing. [] I'll incorporate that. []

Hope to see you Saturday.

Sincerely,

[Tom]

It seems to me that the standards for "grand master level" should be higher still, the ability to teacher other people to be able to project at will any time anywhere.

And how would higher level projection fit into this?

[Cryo_Optics]

Celestial: My techniques for projecting by will, is different then when I used to try R.B.'s techniques. First, I would lay down, on my side (I have problems projecting on my back), and just start relaxing. I pretend that I'm going to sleep (trick the subconcious), but keep fully aware and concentrate hard on not falling asleep. Usually after a few minutes, vibrations come, and I sorta get pulled out automatically, and if not, I do barrel rolls until I'm free. I still suck at traveling and control, lol, but I'll try to get to the pyramids. If anyone has the time, could they start up the site or anything?

[bennypr2002]

Cryo, I have a similar problem as yours not being able to project on my back. I cant fall a sleep on my back eaither unless im dead tired. Do you only lie down on your left side or right side when you project? Also why do you think it is that you can get into the state while on your back?

-Benny

[Cryo_Optics]

Benny: It's about half and half, it started with only my left side, and now it's my right, and I have my reasoning behind laying like this. When one is on their backs trying to meditate, it is very uncomfortable for many people, such as myself. Because of the lack of comfort, I cannot maintain relaxation, as when I'm snug on my side holding my pillow . I also cannot sleep on my back unless I'm exhausted, either.

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey Cryo_Optics!

Thanks for sharing your technique. [] I've done that before too, going to sleep on purpose but actually being intent on remaining aware. I call it engaging the sleep.

As we all experience and share our methods we'll all grow. I'll experiment with that some more sometime and share how it goes. []

Peace

P.S. Thanks for the holding pillow tip. Sounds comforting. []

[Shimewaza]

I saw this post and thought I'd post some levels of my own I quickly compiled. One thing people don't seem to know about - the so-called OOBE method of Robert Bruce and most everyone else today is an artificial body creation. You are *not* using your natural astral body to project with.

With the RB method of projecting the danger comes from not having your nonphysical senses developed - most of what you perceive and experience will be in your own mind or a product of such. Such a method of self-exploration can be good but not when you think it is 'real'.

I am not saying that RBs method is wrong - just misunderstood. There is nothing inherently wrong with it so long as you understand what it is and properly prepare yourself beforehand.

Normal level
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Your average joe on the street, is not aware and doesn't care at all.


Beginner
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You have heard of astral projection, you have read up on all the techniques and

different ways of doing things but have not practised anything.


Serious Beginner
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You have projected using the Robert Bruce/etc method of artificial astral body

creation, either by accident or at will. This artificial method can be detrimental

to your physical and astral health.


Intermediate
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You have managed a mental projection and have started to develop your mental senses.


Advanced
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Your mental senses are well developed - you know what is a product of your own mind

and what is not.


Master
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You have managed a true astral projection and have started to develop your astral

senses. You recognise and have handled all the dangers this involves.


Advanced Master
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Your astral senses are perfect - your recognise and can fully handle the astral

environment and have no problems in this area.


Grandmaster
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You are the absolute master of your feelings and emotions. You can travel anywhere

by will alone astrally. You have mastered the use of the elements on the astral. You

can affect the physical world from the astral.



- Shimewaza.

[Zoallo]

Ok! [:O]
I can tell From reading this thread that I have a long way to go.
I'm an experienced beginer. Have a renewed interest in dedicating the required effort to be successfull. The intense desire to have an OBE has been with me for about a year. Practiced (mysticweb course & various books) for about 6 months. Do not have a handle on it but I'm reading RB's book 'Astral Dynamics' now.
Any hints or tips from experienced (intermediate, advanced, masters, and beyond) will be appreciated.
I consider the ability to have OBE to be a major advancement in human developement. Most people do not consider OBE possible.

Zoallo[][:O]

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey Shimewaza. [] Thank you for your contribution. I'll see how I can incorporate your findings. []
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It's good your interest is renewed Zoallo. [] Keep it up and keep sharing. []
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I'm not sure where higher level projectons will fit Tom. I'm mostly taking it as it goes. [] Don't forget to give your suggestions. []
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Don't forget to check out my new Version 1.6 of the levels on page one. []

Sincerely,

[Ash]

quote:Originally posted by Shimewaza


...the so-called OOBE method of Robert Bruce and most everyone else today is an artificial body creation. You are *not* using your natural astral body to project with.

With the RB method of projecting the danger comes from not having your nonphysical senses developed...

hey Shimewaza,

would you mind elaborating on this? How and why is it an artificial body? Is there a technique that DOES use the "natural astral body"? Where did you learn this? I've never heard this concept before.

thanks,
ash

[Shimewaza]

Got the information from the works of Franz Bardon, take it as you will Some posts discussing the 2 methods:

http://www.abardoncompanion.com/Wandering2.html
http://www.abardoncompanion.com/Warning.html


- Shimewaza.

[alfa_33au]

Hi celestial and all,

Interesting topic, i found with myself that some, in all your proposed levels have occurred to me, except for what you consider the timing of.
Is this for the purpose of understanding it from a linear and physical perspective?
I have the impression that time and matter dont apply much and one actually leaves time and matter in an obe.
Maybe ive miss understood your post.

Thanks
Paola

[warlockyoshi]

I am not very good at aatral projection acn you teach me some metods please?

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey all.

I have been thinking of a way to motivate myself more and I've come up with a series of levels of projective ability. Maybe this can help you too. If you'd really like to get involved we can let each other know how we're doing on it, and share our progress, in chat. We can also have a way to gauge our own progress, which can both motivate us (reach the next level) and keep us from slacking (don't backslide).

(Saturday, May 10, 2003, 6:37 PM Central Standard Time: In light of my recent enhancement in understanding, and in light of Cryo_Optic's success [], I have updated my list. After reading more of YRAM [which I highly recommend, and his book is now back in print] I see that the higher planes was mentioned too early,and that it is better to attain real-time and from there go to higher planes. The writings of Draja Mickaharic [his book on magic] supports this also. So here it goes. This also allows me to focus all my efforts on real-time. [] The Gradations are also factored in. [])

Celestial's Projection Development Levels Version 1.6

Beginner
-The new comer to projection.

Intermediate
1)   Having had at least one consciously caused separation from the physical body into the real-time plane.

Advanced
1)   Able to consciously cause at least one conscious separation into real-time per week/seven day period, for at least a month/4-week period straight and running. If one week is missed one is back to intermediate status.
2)   Gradations 1-4:

1)   Sit up, roll to the side, or float away, etc., (manually) reenter

2)   Sit up, roll to the side, or float away, etc., and then move to or maneuver down to a standing position, then manually reenter (manually walk, float, etc. to body and then sit, dive, or lie into it, etc.)

3)   Sit up, roll to the side, or float away, etc., then move/maneuver to a standing position, walk around room, manually reenter

4)   Get to standing and manually exit the room- remaining inside the home- manually reenter

Expert
1)    Able to consciously cause a real-time projection 3-4 times per week, consistently. If one week is missed whereby at least three projections aren't caused it is back to Advanced status.
2)   Able to consciously cause a projection into the real-time plane, and then from the real-time plane ascend/project to a higher dimensional plane.
3)   Gradation 5-12:


5)   Get to standing, manually exit the room and move to the other side of home/building (walk or float), manually reenter

6)   Get to standing and manually explore the home/building, manually reenter

7)   Manually explore and then exit the home/building, reentering home straightaway and then manually reenter

   Manually explore the home and then the area immediately outside of the home, manually reenter

9)   Get up to exploring around outside of the home, then manually explore around neighborhood, manually reenter

10)   Get up to exploring outside the home and while outside around the home levitate, manually reenter

11)   Get up to exploring around the outside of the home, levitate, and then fly around outside the home, manually reenter

12)   Get up to flying around outside the home and then fly around the neighborhood, manually reenter

Master Level I
Master Level II
Master Level III

Grandmaster (Master Level IV)
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I'm currently working on reaching the Advanced level. May this help you, and may you individually or several together, motivate yourself or each other to reach the next level.

Congratulations to Advanced Projector Cryo_Optics!!![][][]

He's already setting the standard for Expert by having 3-4 consciously caused real-time projections per week! Congratulations!!!

Sincerely,

Celestial
(Darryl E. Berry Jr.)