Classic OBE vs. Phasing

[Pauli2]

Well u relayed things from the IRC.

So, let's take a look at your last statements:

What happens in my IRC channel has nothing to do with this forum and doesn't belong here - Xanth

I seldom quote my own post, but as you edited it and don't seem too proud of your own words and thus deleted them, I will remind you:
YOU have been the one personal attacking me, by bringing in stuff from your IRC channel to this thread.

You.


Just read your own words:

To put this into a bit more context... over the past year on my IRC channel, Pauli and I have been discussing his ability to learn to project, to learn to experience the non-physical first hand.  He's been practicing for a long time with almost zero success.  He's related to me that he's experienced vibrations... and supposedly what Monroe and Frank consider Focus 12, but never anything more than that.  He's concluded that perhaps he just can't do it.

(etc.)

This is silly.

If Buhlman came and requested valid experiences from you, requested you to back up your IN-/OUT-of-body claims, you would give the question creditability.

But because you can point finger at me for my inability, the same question suddenly becomes invalid, because you can hold against me that I'm poor at projecting!

[Xanth]

Simply put, my IRC channel and this forum are 100% completely separate entities.  What's said there has absolutely no bearing here.  I'd appreciate if you respected that please.

In any case...
If Buhlman was standing right infront of me asking me that... no, I wouldn't tell him.  I'd tell him exactly what I've been telling you.  Personally, I don't need someone else to verify my experiences.  I don't need to compare my experiences to others or try to fit them into other people's beliefs to justify them.  That's my ENTIRE POINT.

Honestly?  A year ago?  I might have... but now, not a chance.
It's why you probably have to come to the conclusion on your own terms.

I'm not pointing fingers at your inability to do anything... I'm saying that you should probably learn to do these things before you go poo-pooing on someone else's experiences.  And honestly, I'm absolutely, 100% guilty of this myself over the past two years, but I've learned from it and I don't do it anymore, because the entire non-physical experience is ABOUT the experience.  Case and point, Frank.  You sit here posting calling Frank out... first of all, the man can't defend himself, and secondly, you're asking us like we can defend him, like we can explain his experiences to you.  I can't defend those experiences that aren't mine, nobody can.  That's the ENTIRE POINT.

This thread is going in circles... I think I'm done here.

[Summerlander]

I just want to say that Frank Kepple's Wider Reality resonates with my experiences even though I use the nap method and experience vibrations a lot. Kepple had a theory, his own interpretation and, although I can't wholeheartedly accept it for obvious uncertainties, it is still a pretty good theoretical model.

[Greytraveller]

Xanth, you wrote

While asking the question of "are we in our body?" definitely has some applicable merit to other portions of our knowledge as such you've pointed out ( Smiley ), I don't believe it helps beginners in their quest of experiencing the larger reality personally.

Yes, I quite agree about it not being much help to beginners.
That is one reason that I try to suggest methods and techniques in answer to beginners questions and try to stay away from theories and concepts.  Let the beginners have a few OBEs/phases/LDs/APs and then let them decide for themselves what it all means.

Just a word or two (or 3) about other people's experiences. Personally I find it impossible to be totally objective and impartial. Usually if a person posts an OBE or phase or AP experience on one of these forums AND that person is a long term member then I am Much more likely to accept that experience as true. It does Not mean that I will accept every part of the account as fact. Yet in general it is safe to assume that an OBE report by a long standing member here at Astral Pulse (or Astral Viewers or Astral Dynamics or wherever) is accurate and truthful.
Also I accept many but not all NDE reports as factual and truthful --- even though I do not know the person who posted that NDE account. Perhaps I am naive yet some things DO ring true to me (and conversely some reports Do sound too much like B.S). So I Do put a lot of credibility in many NDE and OBE accounts --- although I realize that nobody else is under any constraints to do so as well.

Regards 
Grey