dangerous to astral project, obe, and or phase?

[Telos]

Souljah, that puts things into perspective. You're not here to actually communicate anything. Rather selfish, don't you think?

If you celebrate the importance of communicating without language, why don't you try such an experiment? I am conducting a similar one (in truth, I only broke from it because I perceived some distress). Otherwise your statements are literally "all talk."

Thank you, though, for warning me that your posts are intentionally meaningless. Now I don't have to waste my time reading them.

(By the way, the numbers came up "209" tonight. You were wrong.)

[Frank]

Souljah:

I was being lighthearted, yes, while resisting the temptation to ask you to actually do as you preach. And you don't need to apologise because I'm chuckling at your humour. I actually think you have made some good points and I'm hoping there is a good debate to be had here.

In the land of the blind one eye is king. I guess it would be nice if everyone blinded themselves and only you were left with sight. Would be quite a trip. But like all these wishful, fanciful theories it 'aint gonna happen. You will just have to live as normal like the rest of us.

Yours,
Frank

[Frank]

Ha ha ha, trust to you, Major Tom, for the "devil's" insight into the sensory depravation thing. :)

Yours,
Frank

[Nay]

*Jumps in wearing a Wonder Woman outfit, does a few kicks and deflects some bullets*

Oh..wait, I've already done this skit....My bad...

[Froglet]

haha, that's great

[mactombs]

I am conducting a similar one (in truth, I only broke from it because I perceived some distress).

Telos, I am so curious about this experiment of yours.

[Souljah333]

wow. nice atmosphere. a bunch of self-righteous guys blocking the pass.
very interesting behavior from the spiritually evolved. deprivation in the female does lead to enlightenment...in men it leads to perversion, over grooming & beating chests (among other things).

Souljah, that puts things into perspective. You're not here to actually communicate anything. Rather selfish, don't you think?

Thank you, though, for warning me that your posts are intentionally meaningless. Now I don't have to waste my time reading them.

young telos: amazing you could take my comments about using this forum as nice, simple escape from my work, and turn it into something "wrong". (non-communicative/selfish/intentionally meaningless & a waste of your time)...have i put you off somehow? i could care less if you read my posts or not. 1) i don't think you are reading them 2) why do you think that would bother me?

as far as what "i'm doing here"...signed up after hearing robert speak on C2C. was interested in others experiences. i've been AP/OBEing/etc for over twenty years so that limits me to a VERY small group here (if i'm looking for more experience than i myself posses). i have more experiences in one day, than most people here have had in their entire lifetimes...still i don't go around bashing anyone for their lack of knowledge in these areas, or deciding who's right and wrong/who's worthy of exchange,etc. i feel i bring a well-seasoned & balanced POV on astral topics. (that was a statement, not a question).  

y'all don't ACTUALLY have to be missing your eyes to be blind.
in the land of the blind one-eye is KING. it sounded good the first time i heard it, but to back this kind of nonsense...it's lost something. typical.

so whatever gets everyone's blood pumping here. BRING IT ON. i am oh so well trained in dealing with thugs, although i have moved on from the basics of hand to hand combat/fighting fire with fire...whatever gets you guys off?!? this space ironically is very much astral and my experience has led to a function where letting it all flow is most efficient (for me). i am not going to attempt to block whatever is slung in my direction. not ignorant enough to let any of it get on me. sorry. if you're looking for a battle of wits you need to make more intelligent blows. simply attacking my character ain't gonna cut it.

you're move
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[Souljah333]

thank god that was the 60's though.

this keeps going back to the same question that everyone seems to be ignoring. i know everyone is very attached to their minds, and the idea that it is "their" own....somehow sacred and off-limits. although to me that idea is extremely immature. so...it seems to be very clear to most that drugs and alcohol are prime tools for ALTERING consciousness. my question is do you truly believe these are the only tools? how easily we all own what we are taught (with so little questioning) when a textbook teaches you about gravity...is that not altering you consciousness. when someone leans into your ear and whispers that the girl across the room is a grump...does that not alter your consciousness? watching television, listening to the people around you, picking up on other people's habits...all it is is conditioning and very much mind altering. that's what we can see, hear, touch, taste...that's the physical conditioning, and alcohol and drugs are nothing more than tools...no different from a telephone, tv set, or car. if people are refusing to see how the physical alters the mind, then i see where "attempting to understand how & what "unseen" forces are altering the mind"...is just too much for the average person to comprehend.  

again...how do we know that are minds are our own?

i know nothing about this "focus level" stuff, and i don't pretend that i want to.  i am curious though what the physical level is referred to? is it viewed as just a "given"? a time-out zone? it feels like the ideas here are either to utilize the astral as an "escape" from the physical or...to rework the physical "through" the astral. all in all it seems that the space we occupy physically is ignored for the most part...and where is the truth in that???

anyone interested in mind alteration might find this mans work interesting.
(for those looking for credentials & expertise...this guy's got it)
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/greenbaum.htm

would be very interested in what anyone "thinks" after reading this!
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[Souljah333]

to me the conditioned mind it more of a symptom, "under the influence" like with your drug & alcohol idea. take someone that has drank too much. they might slur their speech, stumble, become overly aggressive or affectionate, but all of these things are an "effect" or symptom from the altering substance "on the mind". possibly the "conditioning" is a magnification of the un or subconscious mind. like a drunk person will forget a large portion of functioning and work with just a few base modes. my suggestion is there might be some unseen alteration taking place that cancels out a large percentage of our functioning and magnifies or causes us to work with only a fraction of it...part of the programming being that we see it as the whole function. why fix it if it isn't broke?
we do only use what....10% of our brains?!? i don't know.
these are just ideas.

i'm not talking about the mind in total, bcuz i believe the entire thing to be much more powerful than any program..in the long run. something to do with divide and conquer i'd guess. ultimately i see it falling, but that's not going to make it any easier to come to grips with when the veil is lifted.

anyway...that's where i feel that attuning to the astral can be of benefit if it's not used as an escape or some intellectual crutch, which at the best of times is what most are doing. i have gone through that myself...A LOT.
i think a lot comes through in the astral to wake us up to what's really going on...and it's not what most people think or expect. with time it becomes easier to utilize for the reunification. there's a huge "implied" wall that is reinforced by a lot of people. this whole CROSSING OVER thing that makes it seem unattainable to a most or worse like a bunch of mumbo-jumbo mysticism that ultimately "won't get you anywhere". and should all be approached very scientifically. hogwash! never trust the truth where you have to prove yourself to another, follow someone else's rule, or pay a price for it.
there is no separation between the physical and the astral, or anything else for that matter...IMHO. and there are no special privileges for a select few.

i can't answer your other question about sleeping bcuz i haven't had the luxury of it in the past 30 years. i am just as conscious while asleep (if not more so) then i am when i'm awake. my body of course uses this time to rest and recharge, but my mind has no escape...except for the handful of things i still deny myself the truth of. i am not claiming to be fully awake.
i'm not sure we can be fully aware or awake yet. we can be more vigilant of what we aren't aware of, but i think that all of it happens on an unconscious level...thank god that a more complete sense of ourselves has got it going on. it is too easy to write a little post about drugs being bad or impairing projection, while sucking down a diet coke...and never see the relationship. never catch the irony of that lesson. it's all so (edit) subtle. yes be aware, but be aware that what you're surrounded by isn't necessarily the truth. even that book you're reading, even what i'm saying, even what you're thinking, etc.
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[Souljah333]

yes. i wasn't implying that people shouldn't have fun. for some reason people always think i'm pushing to be serious, when in fact i'm leaning towards less serious. truth is a weird word for me actually, but i agree that everyone has a unique unified spirit that can't be denied. i think when one gets older they look back on a lot of the "fun" and see it as an escape ("oh if i hadn't wasted so much time on all the meaningless stuff) i think that's what i was getting at.
of course this can always be argued forever...so i don't push any particulars. still i have to consider the children in third world countries...how much fun are they having?!? i'm sure they involve themselves in a great number of things, some of which we could never imagine...yet i have to believe it's a different kind of fun from the privileged western or developed worlds. there are a lot of kids out there that are married with children, who have lost children to terrible diseases & hunger, who are working full-time and caring for their parents/grandparents, etc...all by the time that they're 18. i could continue to paint a very sad and extreme comparison here, but i don't feel it's necessary. there is a huge difference between appreciating what one has and living a joyous life...and being just plain ignorant, self-absorbed and living in a disposable world. that's harsh but it's also real.

in the begin we don't need to explore "higher truths". as infants we are complete...then something happens that changes all that...and the quest begins...and that's the part i'm trying to figure out. if all this seriousness is really necessary?!?

like the wall for instance is it necessary to figure out a way to climb over it? i sure know you don't have to climb back! as i've said so many times before all this started for me when i was really young. i didn't know what sleep paralysis was...i thought i was dying. same with obe's & ap...i didn't know it was some path to enlightenment. it didn't enter my mind that people would actually work to accomplish these things. they freaked me out big time, which is besides the point...but what makes it so hard for people to get to? the wall as i said is "implied"...it doesn't exist. just like there isn't any huge gap between canada and the united states. and it's becoming just as hard to move back and forth between borders as it is to move back and forth between realms...or so THEY would have us believe.

just rambling bcuz i'm bored (or truly avoiding having to work ). none of this is directed to anyone in particular.

by the way where is everyone?!? AD by chance
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[sloof]

if our mind is not our mind

then what we think is not what we think

what we write does not come from what we think

but it comes from some other being

so why are you writing here?

it's really useless to think that way

if what i do does not come from me

then there is no reason to do anything

for you cannot accomplish anything

as long as you believe you are who is

then you will see that nothing else is you

ah  

can one be not one but something else?

is it illogical for it to be?

or could one be both one and two?

[Souljah333]

what's useless? opening my mind up to the possibilities? maybe you can't REALLY accomplish anything as long as you're thinking that who you are is who you are and what is is all there is. anyway...i'm not asking you to change who you are or what you think, unfortunately that doesn't always garner the same respect.

and as far as being here is concerned (isn't funny how often i get that remark, "if you don't agree then you should leave")(?!?)...who say i'm really here at all???

but thank you for your input.
always
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