Detailed teachings of Reality

pmlonline · September 18, 2005, 14:52:25

Quote from: FrankIn the olden days, you had the astral that was said to be set out as 7 planes divided by 7 sub planes, blah, blah, blah, all with ubiquitous funny-sounding names that no one really knows the meaning of. This was their model of consciousness as existed in those days. A model that was filed alongside the one about the world being flat, and the sun revolving around the earth.

I have never hear of such stuff from any spiritual teachings. I think a person would have to look really hard to find a fake source such as what you perhaps found.

Here is a classical example from mystical teachings. As you can see, it is far more detailed than you thought and is not some blah, blah, blah talk on one astral place. The astral is but one realm. I may sound very stern because the energy you are bringing forth is very karmic in nature as it affects a great deal of people. Please be careful when dealing with a lot of people that listen to your words. We reap what we sew-- the law of cause and effect, karma.

Translations:
Desire world = Astral world
Vital body = Etheric body
Ego = Higher & Divine Self

Please see an image of the 7 Cosmic Planes. Note that the 7th Cosmic Plane is the lowest in vibration. Also note that as high as our Higher & Divine Self are, even it only extends to the lowest (the 7th) Cosmic Plane. Within the 7th Cosmic Plane are 7 worlds. Note that the Astral (called the Desire) is nearly at the bottom in the 7th Cosmic Plane. A great deal of these worlds have been mapped and divided by people such as Max Heindel that have the ability to see correctly without creating self illusion while out of body.
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A more detailed image of just the 7th Cosmic Plane. Here you will see a detailed description of each world. Further on in this post you will see further details.
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Note that the Personality is composed of the Physical (Material & Etheric) and Astral. The Ego (Higher & Divine Self) is composed of the Human Spirit, Life Spirit, and Divine Spirit. The Mind is the link between both Personality and Spirit.

Even more detail this diagram shows 9 aspects of a being and the mind as the link or focus. The 9 aspects are divided into 3 aspects—Spirit, Soul, and Body.
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Please see the image of the "The Vehicles of the Four Kingdoms"
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As you can see, the Physical plane / world has been mapped and divided into two main regions, the Dense body on the Material plane and the Vital / Etheric body in the Vital / Etheric plane.
The Etheric plane has 4 regions:
1. Chemical Ether
2. Life Ether
3. Light Ether
4. Reflecting Ether

Now those aren't "ubiquitous funny-sounding names."

Furthermore, the diagram shows a detailed mapping where each kingdom is at in development. For example, the average human kingdom on earth extends is in the process of linking to the higher self, which is known as the Human Ego in RFC terminology. The other three kingdoms have no such link in development yet, but have a group spirit consciousness in place of the higher self.

Here's a diagram that details the relative permanency of the visible and invisible worlds. Here you can see that the mind (nothing to do with the physical brain) is the link, the center of our being. You can also see how each realm is a reflection in another specific realm.
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A detailed diagram of the average Human Life Cycle between incarnations.
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The diagram of the evolution of the kingdoms. It shows a planet that was created before planet Earth that went as low as the Etheric planes. That planet was during the Moon period where the Angelic Kingdom incarnated. The Etheric plane was the lowest plane that the Angelic kingdom incarnated on. That was their physical plane. And countless years before that planet was created was the Sun period. This was when the Archangels were at our level of spiritual development and went as low as the Astral world. Before the Archangels were the Lords of Mind. Before that were the Lords of Form. Before that were the Lords of Individuality. Before that were the Lords of Wisdom. Before that were the Lords of Flame. Before that were the Cherubim. Before that were the Seraphim. Before that were the nameless ones. Before that were another group of nameless ones.
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Chemical Ether:
This ether is both positive and negative in manifestation. The forces which cause assimilation and excretion work through it. Assimilation is the process whereby the different nutritive elements of food are incorporated into the body of plant, animal and man. This is carried on by forces with which we shall become acquainted later. They work along the positive pole of the chemical ether and attract the needed elements, building them into the forms concerned. These forces do not act blindly nor mechanically, but in a selective way (well-known to scientists by its effects) thereby accomplishing their purpose, which is the growth and maintenance of the body.
Excretion is carried on by forces of the same kind, but working along the negative pole of the chemical ether. By means of this pole they expel from the body the materials in the food which are unfit for use, or those which have outlived their usefulness in the body and should be expurgated from the system. This, like all other processes independent of man's volition, is also wide, selective, and not merely mechanical in its operation, as seen, for instance, in the case of the action of the kidneys, where only the urine is filtered through when the organs are in health; but it is known that when the organs are not in health, the valuable albumen is allowed to escape with the urine, the proper selection not being made because of an abnormal condition.

Life Ether:
As the chemical ether is the avenue for the operation of the forces the object of which is the maintenance of the individual form, so the life ether is the avenue for the operation of the forces which have for their object the maintenance of the species--the forces of propagation.
Like the chemical ether, the life ether also has its positive and negative pole. The forces which work along the positive pole are those which work in the female during gestation. They enable her to do the positive, active work of bringing forth a new being. On the other hand the forces which work along the negative pole of the life ether enable the male to produce semen.
In the work on the impregnated ovum of the animal and man, or upon the seed of the plant, the forces working along the positive pole of the life ether produce male plants, animals and men; while the forces which express themselves through the negative pole generate females.

Light Ether:
This ether is both positive and negative, and the forces which play along its positive pole are the forces which generate that blood heat in the higher species of animal and in man, which makes them individual sources of heat. The forces which work along the negative pole of the light ether are those which operate through the senses, manifesting as the passive functions of sight, hearing, feeling, tasting, and smelling. They also build and nourish the eye.
In the cold-blooded animals the positive pole of the light ether is the avenue of the forces which circulate the blood, and the negative forces have the same functions in regard to the eye as in the case of the higher animals and man. Where eyes are lacking, the forces working in the negative pole of the light ether are perhaps building or nourishing other sense organs, as they do in all that have sense organs.
In plants the forces which work along the positive pole of the light ether cause the circulation of the juices of the plant. Thus in winter, when the light ether is not charged with sunlight as in summer, the sap ceases to flow until the summer sun again invests the light ether with its force. The forces which work along the negative pole of the light ether deposit the chlorophyll, the green substance of the plant and also color the flowers. In fact, all color, in all kingdoms is deposited by means of the negative pole of the light ether. Therefore animals have the deepest color on the back and flowers are deepest colored on the side turned towards the light. In the polar regions of the earth, where the rays of the sun are weak, all color is lighter and in some cases is so sparingly deposited that in winter it is withdrawn altogether and the animals become white.

Reflecting Ether:
It has heretofore been stated that the idea of the house which has existed in the mind can be recovered from the memory of nature, even after the death of the architect. Everything that has ever happened has left behind it an ineffaceable picture in this reflecting ether. As the giant ferns of the childhood of the Earth have left their pictures in the coal beds, and as the progress of the glacier of a bygone day may be traced by means of the trail it has left upon the rocks along its path, even so are the thoughts and acts of men ineffaceably recorded by nature in this reflecting ether, where the trained seer may read their story with an accuracy commensurate with his ability.
The reflecting ether deserves its name for more than one reason, for the pictures in it are but reflections of the memory of nature. The real memory of nature is found in a much higher realm. In this reflecting ether no thoroughly trained clairvoyant cares to read, as the pictures are blurred and vague compared to those found in the higher realm. Those who read in the reflecting ether are generally those who have no choice, who, in fact, do not know what they are reading. As a rule ordinary psychometrists and mediums obtain their knowledge through the reflecting ether. To some slight extent the pupil of the occult school in the first stages of his training also reads in the reflecting ether, but he is warned by his teacher of the insufficiencies of this ether as a means of acquiring accurate information, so that he does not easily draw wrong conclusions.
This ether is also the medium through which thought makes an impression upon the human brain. It is most intimately connected with the fourth subdivision of the World of Thought. This is the highest of the four subdivisions contained in the Region of Concrete Thought and the home world of the human mind. There a much clearer version of the memory of nature is found than in the reflecting ether.

The Desire / Astral World
Like the Physical World, and every other realm of nature, the Desire World has the seven subdivisions called "Regions," but unlike the Physical World, it does not have the great divisions corresponding to the Chemical and Etheric Regions. Desire stuff in the Desire World persists through its seven subdivisions or regions as material for the embodiment of desire. As the Chemical Region is the realm of form and as the Etheric Region is the home of the forces carrying on life activities in those forms, enabling them to live, move and propagate, so the forces in the Desire World, working in the quickened dense body, impel it to move in this or that direction.
If there were only the activities of the Chemical and Etheric Regions of the Physical World, there would be forms having life, able to move, but with no incentive for so doing. This incentive is supplied by the cosmic forces active in the Desire World and without this activity playing through every fiber of the vitalized body, urging action in this direction or that, there would be no experience and no moral growth. The functions of the different ethers would take care of the growth of the form, but moral growth would entirely lacking. Evolution would be an impossibility, both as to form and life, for it is only in response to the requirements of spiritual growth that forms evolve to higher states. Thus we at once see the great importance of this realm of nature.
Desires, wishes, passions, and feelings express themselves in the matter of the different regions of the Desire World as form and feature express themselves in the Chemical Region of the Physical World. They take forms which last for a longer or shorter time, according to the intensity of the desire, wish, or feeling embodied in them. In the Desire World the distinction between the forces and the matter is not so definite and apparent as in the Physical World. One might almost say that here the ideas of force and matter are identical or interchangeable. It is not quite so, but we may say that to a certain extent the Desire World consists of force-matter.
When speaking of the matter of the Desire World, it is true that it is one degree less dense that the matter of the Physical World, but we entertain an entirely wrong idea if we imaging it is finer physical matter. That idea, though held by many who have studied occult philosophies, is entirely erroneous. The wrong impression is caused principally by the difficulty of giving the full and accurate description necessary for a thorough understanding of the higher worlds. Unfortunately, our language is descriptive of material things and therefore entirely inadequate to describe the conditions of the super-physical realms, hence all that is said about these realms must be taken tentatively, as similes, rather than as accurate descriptions.
Though the mountain and the daisy, the man, the horse, and a piece of iron, are composed of one ultimate atomic substance, we do not say that the daisy is a finer form of iron. Similarly it is impossible to explain in words the change or difference in physical matter when it is broken up into desire-stuff. If there were no difference it would be amenable to the laws of the Physical World, which it is not.
The law of matter of the Chemical Region is inertia-the tendency to remain in status quo. It takes a certain amount of force to overcome this inertia and cause a body which is at rest to move, or to stop a body in motion. Not so with the matter of the Desire World. That matter itself is almost living. It is in unceasing motion, fluid, taking all imaginable and unimaginable forms with inconceivable facility and rapidity, at the same time coruscating and scintillating in a thousand ever-changing shades of color, incomparable to anything we know in this physical state of consciousness. Something very faintly resembling the action and appearance of this matter will be seen in the play of colors on an abalone shell when held in the sunlight and moved to and fro.
That is what the Desire World is--ever-changing light and color--in which the forces of animal and man intermingle with the forces of innumerable Hierarchies of spiritual beings which do not appear in our Physical World, but are as active in the Desire World as we are here. Some of them will be dealt with later and their connection with man's evolution described.
The forces sent out by this vast and varied hose of Beings mold the ever-changing matter of the Desire World into innumerable and differing forms of more or less durability, according to the kinetic energy of the impulse which gave them birth.
From this slight description it may be understood how difficult it is for a neophyte who has just had his inner eyes opened to find his balance in the World of Desire. The trained clairvoyant soon ceases to wonder at the impossible descriptions sometimes brought through by mediums. They may be perfectly honest, but the possibilities of parallax, and of getting out of focus are legion, and of the subtlest nature, and the real wonder is that they ever communicate anything correctly. All of us had to learn to see, in the days of our infancy, as we may readily find by watching a young babe. It will be found that the little one will reach for objects on the other side of the room or the street, or for the Moon. He is entirely unable to gauge distances. The blind man who has been made to see will, at first, often close his eyes to walk from one place to another, declaring, until he has learned to use his eyes, that it is easier to walk by feeling than by sight. So the one whose inner organs of perception have been vivified must also be trained in the use of his newly acquired faculty. At first the neophyte will try to apply to the Desire World the knowledge derived from his experience in the Physical World, because he has not yet learned the laws of the world into which he is entering. This is the source of a vast amount of trouble and perplexity. Before he can understand, he must become as a little child, which imbibed knowledge without reference to any previous experience.
To arrive at a correct understanding of the Desire World it is necessary to realize that it is the world of feeling, desires, and emotions. These are all under the domination of two great forces--Attraction and Repulsion, which act in a different way in the three denser Regions of the Desire World from that in which they act in the three finer or upper Regions, while the central Region may be called neutral ground.
This central Region is the Region of feeling. Here interest in or indifference to an object or an idea sways the balance in favor of one of the two previously mentioned forces, thereby relegating the object or idea to the three higher or the three lower Regions of the Desire World, or else they will expel it. We shall see presently how this is accomplished.
In the finest and rarest substance of the three higher Regions of the Desire World the force of Attraction alone holds sway, but it is also present in some degree in the denser matter of the three lower Regions, where it works against the force of Repulsion, which is dominant there. The disintegrating force of Repulsion would soon destroy every form coming into these three lower Regions were it not that it is thus counteracted. In the densest or lowest Region, where it is strongest, it tears and shatters the forms built there in a way dreadful to see, yet it is not a fatalistic force. Nothing in nature is vandalistic. All that appears so is but working towards good. So with this force in its work in the lowest Region of the Desire World. The forms here are demoniac creations, built by the coarsest passions and desires of man and beast.
The tendency of every form in the Desire World is to attract itself all it can of a like nature and grow thereby. If this tendency to attraction were predominate in the lowest Regions, evil would grow like a weed. There would be anarchy instead of order in the Cosmos. This prevented by the preponderating power of the force of Repulsion in this Region. When a coarse desire form is being attracted to another of the same nature, there is a disharmony in their vibrations, whereby one has a disintegrating effect upon the other. Thus, instead of uniting and amalgamating evil with evil, they act with mutual destructiveness and in that way the evil in the world is kept within reasonable bounds. When we understand the working of the twin forces in this respect we are in a position to understand the occult maxim, "A lie is both murder and suicide in the Desire World."
Anything happening in the Physical World is reflected in all the other realms of nature and, as we have seen, builds its appropriate form in the Desire World. When a true account of the occurrence is given, another form is built, exactly like the first. They are then drawn together and coalesce, strengthening each other. If, however, an untrue is given, a form different from and antagonistic to the first, or true one, is created. As they deal with the same occurrence, they are drawn together, but as their vibrations are different they act upon each other with mutual destructiveness. Therefore, evil and malicious lies can kill anything that is good, if they are strong enough and repeated often enough. But, conversely, seeking for the good in evil will, in time, transmute the evil into good. If the form that is built to minimize the evil is weak, it will have no effect and will be destroyed by the evil form, but if it is strong and frequently repeated it will have the effect of disintegrating the evil and substituting the good. That effect, be it distinctly understood, it not brought about by lying, nor denying the evil, but by looking for the good. The occult scientist practices very rigidly this principle of looking for good in all things, because he knows what a power it possesses in keeping down evil.
There is a story of Christ which illustrates this point. Once when walking with His disciples they passed the decaying and ill-smelling carcass of a dog. The disciples turned in disgust, commenting upon the nauseating nature of this sight; but Christ looked at the dead body and said "Pearls are not whiter than its teeth." He was determined to find the good, because He knew the beneficial effect which would result in the Desire World from giving it expression.
The lowest Region of the Desire World is called "the Region of Passion and Sensual Desire." The second subdivision is best described by the name of "Region of Impressionability." Here the effect of the twin forces of Attraction and Repulsion is evenly balanced. This is a neutral Region, hence all our impressions which are built of the matter of this Region are neutral. Only when the twin feelings, which we shall meet in the fourth Region, are brought to bear, do the twin forces come into play. The mere impression of anything, however, in and of itself, is entirely separate from the feeling it engenders. The impression is neutral and is an activity of the second Region of the Desire World, where pictures are formed by the forces of sense-perception in the vital body of man.
In the third Region of the Desire World, the force of Attraction, the integrating, upbuilding force, has already gained the upper hand over the force of Repulsion, with its destructive tendency. When we understand that the mainspring in this force of Repulsion is self-assertion, a pushing away of all others that it may have room, we shall understand that it gives way most easily to a desire for other things, so that the substance of the third Region of the Desire World is principally dominated by the force of Attraction towards other things, but in a selfish way, and therefore this is the Region of Wishes.
The Region of Coarse Desires may be likened to the solids in the Physical World; the Region of Impressionability to the fluids; and the fluctuating, evanescent nature of the Region of Wishes will make that compare with the gaseous portion of the Physical World. These three Regions give the substance for the forms which make for experience, soul-growth and evolution, purging the altogether destructive and retaining the materials which may be used for progress.
The fourth Region of the Desire World is the "Region of Feeling." From it comes the feeling concerning the already described forms and upon the feeling engendered by them depends the life which they have for us and also their effect upon us. Whether the objects and ideas presented are good or bad in themselves is not important this stage. It is our feeling, whether of Interest or Indifference that is the determining factor as to the fate of the object or idea.
If the feeling with which we meet an impression of an object or an idea is Interest, it has the same effect upon that impression as sunlight and air have upon a plant. That idea will grow and flourish in our lives. If, on the other hand, we meet an impression or idea with Indifference, it withers as does a plant when put in a dark cellar.
Thus from this central Region of the Desire World come the incentive to action, or the decision to refrain there from (though the latter is also action in the eyes of the occult scientist), for at the present stage of our development the twin feelings, Interest and Indifference furnish the incentive to action and are the springs that move the world. At a later stage these feelings will cease to have any weight. Then the determining factor will be duty.
Interest starts the forces of Attraction or Repulsion.
Indifference simply withers the object or idea against which it is directed, so far as our connection with it is concerned.
If our interest in an object or an idea generates Repulsion, that naturally causes us to expurgate from our lives any connection with the object or idea which roused it; but there is a great difference between the action of the force of Repulsion and the mere feeling of Indifference. Perhaps an illustration will make more clear the operation of the twin Feelings and the twin Forces.
Three men are walking along a road. They see a sick dog; it is covered with sores and is evidently suffering intensely from pain and thirst. This much is evident to all three men-their senses tell them that. Now Feeling comes. Two of them take an "interest" in the animal, but in the third there is a feeling of "indifference." He passes on, leaving the dog to its fate. The others remain; they are both interested, but each manifests it in a quite different way. The interest of one man is sympathetic and helpful, impelling him to care for the poor beast, to assuage pains and nurse it back to health. In him the feeling of interest has aroused the force of Attraction. The other man's interest is of a different kind. He sees only a loathsome sight which is revolting to him and wishes to rid himself and the world of it as quickly as possible. He advises killing the animal outright and burying it. In him the feeling of interest generates the destructive force of Repulsion.
When the feeling of Interest arouses the force of Attraction and it is directed toward low objects and desires, these work themselves out in the lower Regions of the Desire World, where the counteracting force of Repulsion operates, as previously described. From the battle of the twin forces--Attraction and Repulsion--results all the pain and suffering incident to wrongdoing or misdirected effort, whether intentional or otherwise.
Thus we may see how very important Feeling we have concerning anything, for upon that depends the nature of the atmosphere we create for ourselves. If we love the good, we shall keep and nourish as guardian angels all that is good about us; if the reverse, we shall people our path with demons and our own breeding.
The names of the three upper Regions of the Desire World are "Region of Soul-Life," "Region of Soul-Light," and "Region of Soul-Power." In these abide Art, Altruism, Philanthropy, and all the activities of the higher soul-life. When we think of these Regions as radiating the qualities indicated by their names, into the forms of the three lower Regions, we shall understand correctly the higher and lower activities. Soul-power, however, may for a time be used for evil purposes as well as for good, but eventually the force of Repulsion destroys vice and the force of Attraction builds virtue upon its shattered ruins. All things, in the ultimate, work together for good.
The Physical and the Desire Worlds are not separated from each other by space. They are "closer than hands and feet." It is not necessary to move to get from one to the other, nor from one Region to the next. Just as solids, liquids, and gases are all together in our bodies, inter-penetrating one another, so are the different Regions of the Desire World within us also. We may again compare the lines of force along which ice-crystals form in water to the invisible causes originating in the Desire World, which appear in the Physical World and give us the incentive to action, in whatever direction it may be.
The Desire World, with its innumerable inhabitants, permeates the Physical World, as the lines of force do the water--invisibly, but everywhere present and potent as the cause of everything in the Physical World.

The World of Thought
The World of Thought also consists of seven Regions of varying qualities and densities, and, like the Physical World, the World of Thought is divided into two main divisions--the Region of Concrete Thought, comprising the four densest Regions; and the Region of Abstract Thought, comprising the three Regions of finest substance. This World of Thought is the central one of the five Worlds from which man obtains his vehicles. Here spirit and body meet. It is also the highest of the three Worlds in which man's evolution is being carried forward at the present time, the two higher Worlds being practically in abeyance as yet, so far as man is concerned.
We know that the materials of the Chemical Region are used in building all physical forms. These are forms are given life and the power of motion by the forces at work in the Etheric Region, and some of these living forms are stirred into activity by means of the twin Feelings of the Desire World. The Region of Concrete Thought furnishes the mind-stuff in which ideas generated in the Region of Abstract Thought clothe themselves as thought-forms, to act as regulators and balance wheels upon the impulses engendered in the Desire World by impacts from the phenomenal World.
Thus we see how the three Worlds, in which man is at present evolving, complement one another, making a whole that shows forth the Supreme Wisdom of the Great Architect of the system to which we belong, and Whom we reverence by the holy name of God.
Taking a more detailed view of the several divisions of the Region of Concrete Thought we find that the archetypes of physical form no matter to what kingdom they may belong, are found in its lowest subdivision, or the "Continental Region." In this Continental Region are also the archetypes of the continents and the isles of the world, and corresponding to these archetypes are they fashioned. Modifications in the crust of the Earth must first be wrought in the Continental Region. Not until the archetypal model has been changed can the Intelligences which we (to hide our ignorance concerning them) call the "Laws of Nature," bring about the physical conditions which alter the physical features of the Earth according to the modifications designed by the Hierarchies in charge of evolution. They plan changes as an architect plans the alteration of a building before the workmen give it concrete expression. In like manner are changes in the flora and fauna due to metamorphoses in their respective archetypes.
When we speak of the archetypes of all the different forms in the dense world it must not be thought that these archetypes are merely models in the same sense in which we speak of an object constructed in miniature, or in some material other than that appropriate for its proper and final use. They are not merely likenesses nor models of the forms we see about us, but are creative archetypes; that is, they fashion the forms of the Physical World in their own likeness or likenesses, for often many work together to form one certain species, each archetype giving part of itself to build the required form
The second subdivision of the Region of Concrete Thought is called the "Oceanic Region." It is best described as flowing, pulsating vitality. All the forces that work through the four ethers which constitute the Etheric Region are there seen as archetypes. It is a stream of flowing life, pulsating through all forms, as blood pulsates through the body, the same life in all forms. Here the trained clairvoyant sees how true it is that "all life is one."
The "Aerial Region" is the third division of the Region of Concrete Thought. Here we find the archetype of desires, passions, wishes, feelings, and emotions such as we experience in the Desire World. Here all the activities of the Desire World appear as atmospheric conditions. Like the kiss of summer breeze come the feelings of pleasure and joy to the clairvoyant sense; as the sighing of the wind in the tree-tops seem the longings of the soul and like flashes of lighting the passions of warring nations. In this atmosphere of the Region of Concrete Thought are also pictures of the emotions of man and beast.
The "Region of Archetypal Forces" is the fourth division of the Region of Concrete Thought. It is the central and most important region in the five Worlds wherein man's entire evolution is carried on. On the one side of this Region are the three higher Regions of the World of Thought, the World of Life Spirit and the World of Divine Spirit. On the other side of this Region of Archetypal Forces are the three lower Regions of the World of Thought, the Desire and the Physical Worlds. Thus this Region becomes a sort of "crux," bounded on one side by the Realms of Spirit, on the other by the Worlds of Form. It is a focusing point, where Spirit reflects itself in matter.
As the name implies, this Region is the home of the Archetypal Forces which direct the activity of the archetypes in the Region of Concrete Thought. From this Region Spirit works on matter in a formative manner. Diagram 1 shows the idea in a schematic way the forms in the lower World being reflections of the Spirit in the higher Worlds. The fifth Region, which is the one nearest to the focusing point on the Spirit side, reflects itself in the third Region, which is nearest the focusing point on the Form side. The sixth Region reflects itself in the second and the seventh reflects itself in the first.
The whole of the Region of Abstract thought is reflected in the World of Desire; the World of Life Spirit in the Etheric Region of the Physical World; and the World of Divine Spirit in the Chemical Region of the Physical World.
Diagram 2 will give a comprehensive idea of the seven Worlds which are the sphere of our development, but we must carefully keep in mind that these Worlds are not placed one above another, as shown in the diagram. They inter-penetrate--that is to say, that as in the case where the relation of the Physical World and the Desire World was compared, where we likened the Desire World to the lines for force in freezing water and the water itself to the Physical World, in the same way we may think of the lines of force as being any of the seven Worlds, and the water, as in our illustration, would correspond to the next denser World in the scale. Another illustration may perhaps make the subject clearer.
Let us use a spherical sponge to represent the dense earth--the Chemical Region. Imagine that sand permeates every part of the sponge and also forms a layer outside the sponge. Let the sand represent the Etheric Region, which in a similar manner permeates the dense earth and extends beyond its atmosphere.
Let us further imagine this sponge and sand immersed in a spherical glass vessel filled with clear water, and a little larger than the sponge and sand. We place the sponge and sand in the center of the vessel as the yolk is place in the center of an egg. We have now a space of clear water between the sand and the vessel. The water as a whole will represent the Desire World, for just as the water percolates between the grains of sand, through very pore of the sponge, and forms that clear layer, so the Desire World permeates both the dense Earth and the ether and extends beyond both of these substances.
We know there is air in water, and if we think of the air in the water (in our illustration), as representing the World of Thought, we shall have a firm mental picture of the way in which the World of Thought, being finer and more subtle, inter-penetrates the two denser Worlds.
Finally, imagine that the vessel containing the sponge, sand and water is placed in the center of a large spherical vessel; then the air in the space between the two vessels would represent that part of the World of Thought which extends beyond the Desire World.
Each of the planets in our solar system has three such inter-penetrating Worlds, and if we think of each of the planets consisting of three Worlds as being individual sponges, and of the fourth World, the World of Life Spirit, as being the water in a large vessel where these three cold separate sponges swim, we shall understand that as the water in the vessel fills the space between the sponges and percolates through them, so the World of Life Spirit pervades inter-planetary space and inter-penetrates the individual planets. It forms a common bond between them, so that as it is necessary to have a boat and be able to control it, if we wish to sail from America to Africa, so it is necessary to have a vehicle correlated to the World of Life Spirit under our conscious control in order to be able to travel from one planet to another.
In a manner similar to that in which the World of Life Spirit correlates us to the other planets in our own solar system does the World of Divine Spirit correlate us to the other solar systems. We may regard the solar systems as separate sponges, swimming in a World of Divine Spirit, and thus it will be apparent that in order to travel from one solar system to another it would be necessary to be able to function consciously in the highest vehicle of man, the Divine Spirit.

Peace & Love,
Paul

pmlonline · September 18, 2005, 15:19:27

I forgot to add my own personal theories that I firmly believe in. That is, a highly modified version of the many worlds interpretation. That is, the aforementioned mention material is a time line. I firmly believe that a time line is an unimaginably large group consciousness. Within that group consciousness are rules. Due to the size of such a group consciousness, the omniverse of that time line is highly stable. It is not the universes fault that beginner projectors cannot project to a distant location in the Etheric plane and prove that the obe is real. IMHO, the being must first learn to use that time line. Then once mastered, the being may focus on time line jumping. According to my own personal theories, from there the being can begin to make large time line jumps. On the other hand, I believe that all beings make minor time line jumps on a daily basis, mostly between the time we go to sleep and wake up. When you wake up in the morning, then by my personal theory, we made a minor time line jump. Minor time line jumping does not change the universal laws such as Karma. They will still exists.

Yet you may notice some minor difference.

Peace,
Paul

NickJW · September 18, 2005, 15:21:23

what a bunch of mystic crap. These are nothing but teachings made up by someone. There is no 7 cosmic planes or even different bodies. When you get this mystical in your teachings of the astral and greater reality you make it nothing more than another stupid religion. You should only believe what you have personally experienced and even mystics who follow such beluief systems like that have just read it from somewhere else. There's no logic in believeing in things which arent real.

pmlonline · September 18, 2005, 15:54:03

These teachings have been passed on down for countless years. When a person reaches a level where they can project at will and where they have proven that their out of body experiences are real and not a self created illusion then they begin the trek of verify the ancient teachings. Max Heindel made it clear that he verified all the teachings during his out of body travels.

First I would recommend that one needs to verify that they are not creating their own self world when projecting. I posted many times how to do such a test. I have my own personal proof and can only encourage others to achieve theirs. When you can project to a distant place while out of body and verify it while in the physical body and do that nearly 100% of the time then you are ready to verify such information.

Don't give up or get frustrated. Think positively, keep a high state of vibration, and seek the truth. This is about seeking truth by non-physical means after you have proven to yourself the ability. Has nothing to do with repetitious ceremonies or religion. Ignoring the work of very gifted people is not very smart. Your personal experiences are important but if you are going to learn and grow in a group conscious world then you need to learn to consider what others who are obviously beyond you are saying and try to test their information when you have to ability to do so. You are not the only consciousness in existence. There are laws within each group consciousness. If someone says there's no such thing as a galaxy then it doesn't mean that persons beliefs will suddenly make all galaxies not exist. During my very early years, I spent years and years searching for supernatural proof. The effort paid off one day when I encountered someone who could vanish before your eyes, levitate, read your thoughts, and all that stuff. So why in the world would I ignore what this person had to say? I listened and tested. So I have my personal proof. Hope everyone gets there's soon one day.

Peace,
Paul

manuel · September 19, 2005, 08:51:55

I read until *karma*...it only exists if you beLIEve it exists, I couldn't read all that! it looks like the schematics for a diesel locomotive!

pmlonline · September 19, 2005, 10:42:59

Quote from: manuelI read until *karma*...it only exists if you beLIEve it exists, I couldn't read all that! it looks like the schematics for a diesel locomotive!

So in other words you believe that you are the only consciousness in all existence. How could you expect to coexist with others when anyone can trap and inflict unimaginable amount of pain for 1000's of years and not pay the price? The group consciousness was not dumb when the decided to split and create the worlds. They created karma for a good reason. Hiding one's head in the hole like the ostridge doesn't make it go away. I know that's not what you wanted hear. That you want everything to your control, but it would be a pretty lonely universe if you were the only consciousness. Truth is, you are responsible for your actions. Think about it. Karma is not the only group consciousness law.

Peace,
Paul

manuel · September 19, 2005, 11:01:53

Once again, ill stand by my word, there is no such thing as karma, it sounds like a souped up version of christianity, all this mish mash of having to pay of 'karma' for some deed done long ago, good and evil, up and down, the dark and light etc are just polarities, each cant exist with out the other as they are all part of the same coin, there is no bad or good actions, just experience, what may be good for one, is bad for another, it's just experience, in the source of the absolute, there is no up and down, every thing is just is.

add this whole karma thing in with the white light trap the recycles spirits to earth, and you see the whole mess we are in, time to bypass that bastard white light and go to the gold light, that's where our real source is, no karma, no coming back to payoff some deed, I can guarantee you, when the moment comes when we merge with our source selves, we wont talk about "oh that took you a lot of lives to pay of" no, we will share our experiences we had, my..said one source self to another, you really had some fascinating experiences as an SS guard" and so forth, remember just experience, if you think this is rubbish, that's fine, no really, it doesn't bother me, if you want to play the karma game, than you are free to do so.

pmlonline · September 19, 2005, 11:25:03

well manuel, you do not seem interested in answering the question. Don't you think an open minded person would at least consider the question? I don't see any way to answer the question and end up with your theory on life unless you believe you're the one that exists and everyone else is not real.

Paul

manuel · September 19, 2005, 11:26:59

I already answered your question.

pmlonline · September 19, 2005, 11:45:35

Oh really? I don't think so. Therefore I'll ask it again. So in other words you believe that you are the only consciousness in all existence? How could you expect to coexist with others when anyone can trap and inflict unimaginable amount of pain for 1000's of years and not pay the price?

Peace,
Paul

Stookie · September 19, 2005, 11:45:45

Thank you for the information. As someone who has studied Rudolph Steiner, I can appreciate what you've presented. It's all just words to explain something beyond words. When you start using words that sound mystical like "etheric", "arch-angel", "archetype", "life-body", it will throw many people off. I know many people here have come to the conclusion that there is no Astral Body and "it's all within yourself", but why can't that be broken down into parts? And if all of these other "worlds" exist within yourself, wouldn't it be logical that the Physical world does too. But I bet most here would argue that idea, because they can perceive their physical body as being 100% "real".

Even Monroe believed in Karma, he just didn't call it that. But he knew that he consisted of many, many earth lives to create a "whole". If we can do something as miraculous as be born on Earth once, why not twice, or even thousands of times?

Quoteit sounds like a souped up version of christianity

Actually, having just one Earth life, dying, and going to wherever you think you go sounds more like Christianity. Karma isn't about "repaying debt". It's about gaining vital experiences that can only be had here in the physical world.

Peace,
Stook

manuel · September 19, 2005, 11:53:44

Quote from: pmlonlineOh really? I don't think so. Therefore I'll ask it again. So in other words you believe that you are the only consciousness in all existence? How could you expect to coexist with others when anyone can trap and inflict unimaginable amount of pain for 1000's of years and not pay the price?

Peace,
Paul

I didnt say I was the only consciousness in all exsistance, secondly, what price is that you entail? I dont think any one has to pay any price for there experience called life.[/b]

manuel · September 19, 2005, 11:59:27

you know, its on the tip of my tongue, and I just cant find the words to write in what im trying to say about this all, so ill stop here.

pmlonline · September 19, 2005, 12:06:24

Dear Stookie,

Quote from: StookieThank you for the information. As someone who has studied Rudolph Steiner, I can appreciate what you've presented. It's all just words to explain something beyond words. When you start using words that sound mystical like "etheric", "arch-angel", "archetype", "life-body", it will throw many people off. I know many people here have come to the conclusion that there is no Astral Body and "it's all within yourself", but why can't that be broken down into parts? And if all of these other "worlds" exist within yourself, wouldn't it be logical that the Physical world does too. But I bet most here would argue that idea, because they can perceive their physical body as being 100% "real".

I think the main issue is most people cannot get themselves to study the true mystical teachings. If they did then they would understand that the mystics also say astral body is not real. Time and time again I have posted that it is a group consciousness. The only thing that is real is consciousness. It is by the agreed rules of the group consciousness that determines certain things. The reason the physical plane is so stable is because it is a very large group consciousness. Same goes for all the other countless realms, each with different rules. In a way, you could think of the astral body and astral plane as a computer program. What is real is the computer. Our spirit, our consciousness is that computer.

Quote from: StookieEven Monroe believed in Karma, he just didn't call it that. But he knew that he consisted of many, many earth lives to create a "whole". If we can do something as miraculous as be born on Earth once, why not twice, or even thousands of times?

Indeed. Reincarnation is the result of Karma. At times it may seem like I am being harsh on these people, but I am merely trying to get some to be open and consider the words of others that could perform so-called miracles. I know mystics that can do just about anything. The least they can do is sit down and within seconds project to a distant location or look inside a box and give the person their proof. Their higher answers are right before them.

Quote from: Stookie
Quoteit sounds like a souped up version of christianity
Actually, having just one Earth life, dying, and going to wherever you think you go sounds more like Christianity. Karma isn't about "repaying debt". It's about gaining vital experiences that can only be had here in the physical world.

Indeed. That's a very nice way of putting it. The founders of all this creation, which was us, HAD to put in place certain guarantees that would not allow us to forget when we dove into the sea of so-called separation. Karma is a universal law that guarantees each consciousness will make it back home. It is a roadmap back home. Without Karma, which is the law of Cause and Effect, the universe would be destined to destruction with a never ending decrease in vibration. It would be a bottomless black hole pit. Karma guarantees a path back home. Home is the place we all came from. A place where we were all one in consciousness.

Peace,
Paul

pmlonline · September 19, 2005, 12:19:44

Quote from: manuelI didnt say I was the only consciousness in all exsistance, secondly, what price is that you entail? I dont think any one has to pay any price for there experience called life.[/b]

The experience is the result. Karma is a Cause and Effect law. Even scientists acknowledge cause and effect. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. That is Karma. You are sadly mistaking if you believe that you can murder someone for example and get away with it. You will reap what you sew. Thank God for the law of Cause and Effect / Karma!

Since you believe that you are experience existence with many other beings, then don't you think there would be rules to prevent devistation? Do you actually think God, which is all things, which you are a part of, which is infinitely intelligent, would actually allow you to do anything you wanted without ANY consequence?

So let me ask you this. Do you think that you can for example blow up the whole earth and not reap the consequences of doing so just because you think you can get away with it simply by believing nothing bad will happen to you???

Peace,
Paul

manuel · September 19, 2005, 12:23:40

your thinking it terms of relativity, do you realy think...in the wider reality that is, that there is a such thing as good and bad? for eg, its good that I kill the cockroaches that are infesting my home, but its bad for the roaches, stop labeling every thing with relative terms as they all belong to this "realm" and will only colour your perception. I know, I killed some one in "my past life" its now time for the acended masters to look down at me and make me reincarnate...*sob*. wow...blow up the earth, big call there! its experience for me, its experience for every one, no bad, no good, just damn experience! and thats what matters...EXPERIENCE.

pmlonline · September 19, 2005, 12:42:45

Then you admit there is karma. On the other hand, it isn't any ascended masters that punish you! It is the laws of the universe.

Karma is based on relativity. What you reap is relative to what sewed. You may have a different defintion of bad.

Yes, I believe there is such a thing as good and bad. I believe bad is destruction and good is construction. That is a clear definition.

Peace,
Paul

manuel · September 19, 2005, 12:43:22

Any way, thats all I realy have to say on this matter friend paul, I guess your my friend in this cosmic game eh?

I bid this thread farewell.

taoita · September 19, 2005, 16:37:39