Developing new OBE method (ex. relaxation topic)

[Frank]

Top post, Adrian, well done. Yes, let's pool our ideas on this one. Thanks for the reference to the Chakra articles. They seem much simpler and I think I'm grasping some of the concepts.

I've got more input to report but not much time right now. I've sensed what I think is a "Chakra" lower down about where my belly-button is. I found I can lie down and "switch my legs off" with it fairly quickly. It's a wierd feeling! If I apply a little concentration I can move my upper body and still keep my legs feeling completely dead. Like, I know they are there but have absolutely no inclination to move them.

I discovered there's a particular method of breathing that switches this thing on and off... a way of breathing that I seem to do habitually. But, by slowing down the process, I began to feel exactly what I was doing.

Big downside is I've been doing a LOT of discovery work and haven't been on the Astral for days! You know, I do truly miss the place. It's quite amazing really how the dimension becomes such a part of one's life!

Anyhow, I'll report back as soon as possible.

Yours,
Frank    

"All difficult things have
their origin in that which is
easy, and great things in
that which is small"
Lao-Tzu

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Thanks for your rapid feedback!

I can understand you missing the Astral! I am hoping that we can put something together here by way of a new OBE method, which opens up the experience to many more people.

Look forward to your further thoughts when you have time.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[Tir13]

Hey guys!

Keep up the good work, this sounds like it might be an extremely effective tool in learning how to project.  It will be interesting to see the feedback, once it gets going.  Anyway, I'm staying away from the astral for the time being...personal things, haha.  But keep up the awesome work...moral support helps, right?  

Adios,
Jason

[dashour]

Hey Frank! Or anyone else! -

I have been trying your "raise the eyes/consciousness" technique with some encourging signs while sitting down and meditating.

Questions:

1. You say you do this in the early morning. I have also been trying that. From what state/position do you start? Do you wake up, continue to lie in bed without getting up, and just go right into it? Or, do you wake yourself up a bit first, and then lie back down and try it?

2. Reason I am asking is that when I wake up, at say 4:30AM, if I just continue to lie there in bed and jump right into the technique, I seem to be too much in a sleep daze, or something. Hard to concentrate.

If I get up, putter around a bit, take a shower even, and then try it sitting in my chair, I seem to be more easily able to enter a trance/meditative state. Well, that is if I am understanding any of this at all to begin with, haha.  

Comments? Thanks heaps.

[Adrian]

Greetings Dashour!

quote:
Hey Frank! Or anyone else! -

I have been trying your "raise the eyes/consciousness" technique with some encourging signs while sitting down and meditating.

Questions:

1. You say you do this in the early morning. I have also been trying that. From what state/position do you start? Do you wake up, continue to lie in bed without getting up, and just go right into it? Or, do you wake yourself up a bit first, and then lie back down and try it?

2. Reason I am asking is that when I wake up, at say 4:30AM, if I just continue to lie there in bed and jump right into the technique, I seem to be too much in a sleep daze, or something. Hard to concentrate.

If I get up, putter around a bit, take a shower even, and then try it sitting in my chair, I seem to be more easily able to enter a trance/meditative state. Well, that is if I am understanding any of this at all to begin with, haha.  

Comments? Thanks heaps.

I had a similar situation this morning.

I woke up early, and decided to try out Frank's method.

I turned on the light intending to stay awake for 30 minutes or so, and get motivated and focussed without being too tired. Unfortunately, as soon as I turned the light on, my cats assumed it must be breakfast time, and jumped on the bed howling at me for their food.

I didn't fancy going downstairs to open a can of cat food at that time in the morning, so I turned the light off and went back to sleep again

There is no doubt in my mind that the gentle, unforced raising of the point of consciousness/awareness, and focus on the brow chakra area is the key to this - and it makes alot of sense as well.

When the vibrations arrive, there appears to be a decision to make then as to whether to allow the vibrations take you into the Astral, or slow everything down to project into the physical first - and then the Astral later.

A relaxed state is clearly required - although, it seems, not as much as other methods, and neither I suspect is a deep trance state. The most recommended projection position is sitting in an armchair with neck supported, and head straight up. I reckon that position, with a few minutes relaxation or meditation follwed by the raising of the awareness and brow chakra focus might also be highly effective.

I also intent to try raising energy to that area first before an attempt to see what happens - that could be very interesting.

Please keep the ideas and progress reports coming - I am very hopeful we can derive a very worthwhile projection method out of all of this

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Frank]

Because I habitually go to bed early (very rare to see me up after 10pm) I awake naturally around 4am. Also, I eat very light in the evening. Just a portion of Basmati rice (my favourite!) with either some steamed vegetables or a mixed salad. For drinks I enjoy a couple of glasses of beer or wine to "take the edge off" as I call it. I certainly wouldn't advise you to intake any tea or coffee at this time because, if you are the same as me, it will interrupt your sleep patterns (as will too much alchohol, hic). Plus, I don't know if this is significant or not, but I never eat foods such as cakes, biscuits, chocolates etc.  

I think diet is important only to the extent you don't get disturbed in the night.

In the sense that you need to awake feeling fairly fresh and revived but in a relaxed state, i.e. no feelings of bloatedness, feeling hungover, headaches, neck tension from having "slept funny" and so forth.

I imagine if you were forcing yourself to arise by use of an alarm clock then it would perhaps be beneficial to get out of bed and have a small cup of light tea. This would raise your awareness enough so that you don't just fall back to sleep. The reason I say this is because on the rare occassion that I do go to bed late, I still seem to awaken at around the same time due to sheer force of habit. But when I start to try and project, more often than not, at the later stages in the process I automatically roll on my side and go to sleep without realising it.  

Okay, so I naturally awake, have a little stretch, then lie on my back, arms by my side with elbows slightly bent, and hands resting naturally either side of my hips. Please understand you don't need to follow this robotically! If your hands feel more comfortable with your elbows straight, say, then fine. What I do feel is important, however, is that you are lying on your back and your head is supported. Reason being I've found it virtually impossible to project when lying on my side.

Then you let your eyes roll back and imagine your sense of consciousness floating upwards. Or use the ROPE method if you find that easier. All you need is a little meta-physical imagery to kickstart the process. But do please always bear in mind that it is not the meta-physical imagery, in itself, that makes you project. As fantastic and as surreal as it may appear, the act of projection is a natural bodily function. Just as we have natural powers of sight, taste, smell, hearing and touch: the body does have the seemingly magical power to naturally detect a level of existence we term the Astral. Not only that, we also contain within us the ability to project our sense of conscious awareness into it.  

With me, depending on how I feel, I can project in 5 minutes or sometimes it may take an hour. This morning it took about 20 minutes. But around 3 times in 10 attempts I either get bored trying; or the dogs start barking at the foxes; or some other disturbance comes about, like, heavy rain pelting against the window, strong winds, or whatever.  

The important thing is to concentrate on keeping your mind firmly affixed on the process. But don't think so hard! In analysing what I am doing, on a step-by-step basis over the past week, I found that there is definitely a point where you can use TOO MUCH concentration.  

What happens is, the harder you concentrate the more "it" resists you. Keep on doing that and all that happens is you get into a downward spiral. Which is where I suspect most people who try Astral projection and fail, end up. Please understand you don't need any kind of harsh concentration coupled with any real degree of fixed determination. We are not fighting a war here! Yes, you do need a little concentration, obviously, else your mind would simply drift. But, again, the key word here is "little".    

Let's just say, for a moment, that the key to successful Astral Projection was imagining the right kind of "dancing" in your mind. But, let's also say, we had no concept of the act of dancing in the physical world. When I say dancing I mean simply human-beings dancing to music.  

If you could imagine that one particular way of dancing in your mind... whoosh... projection would be ignited. But with no visual concept of dance, in the physical world, the only means of communicating the actions would be through words.

So say the correct kind of dancing you had to imagine was classical ballet. Now, the problem would be, we'd have a large number of people all thinking along the correct lines alright... but they are imagining being in a nightclub dancing to Rock 'n Roll.

Yours,
Frank

Coming together is the beginning;
Keeping together is progress;
Working together is success.
Henry Ford

[Adrian]

Greetings Frank!

Comments below:

quote:


Because I habitually go to bed early (very rare to see me up after 10pm) I awake naturally around 4am. Also, I eat very light in the evening. Just a portion of Basmati rice (my favourite!) with either some steamed vegetables or a mixed salad. For drinks I enjoy a couple of glasses of beer or wine to "take the edge off" as I call it. I certainly wouldn't advise you to intake any tea or coffee at this time because, if you are the same as me, it will interrupt your sleep patterns (as will too much alchohol, hic). Plus, I don't know if this is significant or not, but I never eat foods such as cakes, biscuits, chocolates etc.  

I think diet is important only to the extent you don't get disturbed in the night.

In the sense that you need to awake feeling fairly fresh and revived but in a relaxed state, i.e. no feelings of bloatedness, feeling hungover, headaches, neck tension from having "slept funny" and so forth.

I definitely agree on diet. If you tried to project at any time feeling bloated, drunk or hung-over, it has to be a waste of time. Even if you did manage it, the experience might be highly questionable if not unsafe.

I eat very lighly as well. No breakfast or lunch, and very often just something on bread for dinner during the week, and I also enjoy rice or salad at the weekends - particularly now the weather is improving. I have given up drinking alcohol completely.

quote:

I imagine if you were forcing yourself to arise by use of an alarm clock then it would perhaps be beneficial to get out of bed and have a small cup of light tea. This would raise your awareness enough so that you don't just fall back to sleep. The reason I say this is because on the rare occassion that I do go to bed late, I still seem to awaken at around the same time due to sheer force of habit. But when I start to try and project, more often than not, at the later stages in the process I automatically roll on my side and go to sleep without realising it.  

This is what I have found on the three times I have tried this early morning so far. Once the cats wanted their breakfast, another time I did not get up and fell asleep again, and the final time I did get up, but had no complete success later with the method.

quote:

Okay, so I naturally awake, have a little stretch, then lie on my back, arms by my side with elbows slightly bent, and hands resting naturally either side of my hips. Please understand you don't need to follow this robotically! If your hands feel more comfortable with your elbows straight, say, then fine. What I do feel is important, however, is that you are lying on your back and your head is supported. Reason being I've found it virtually impossible to project when lying on my side.

It appears to be a universally agreed fact that you cannot project on your side.

Lying down flat, or in a well supporting chair (which appears to be the best method)is the way to go.

quote:

Then you let your eyes roll back and imagine your sense of consciousness floating upwards. Or use the ROPE method if you find that easier. All you need is a little meta-physical imagery to kickstart the process. But do please always bear in mind that it is not the meta-physical imagery, in itself, that makes you project. As fantastic and as surreal as it may appear, the act of projection is a natural bodily function. Just as we have natural powers of sight, taste, smell, hearing and touch: the body does have the seemingly magical power to naturally detect a level of existence we term the Astral. Not only that, we also contain within us the ability to project our sense of conscious awareness into it.  

This is the nitty gritty of the matter! I am still finding myself trying to visualise my awareness (and succeeding), and trying to *move* it to my brow. I think this is the same problem I have with any imaganitive as opposed to visualisation method - and one I need to overcome. Many projection methods are visual of course.

Frank - do you allow your point of consciousness to just rise to the centre of your forehead and then focus on it, or do you allow it to carry on rising up ad-infinitum until projection occurs?

quote:

With me, depending on how I feel, I can project in 5 minutes or sometimes it may take an hour. This morning it took about 20 minutes. But around 3 times in 10 attempts I either get bored trying; or the dogs start barking at the foxes; or some other disturbance comes about, like, heavy rain pelting against the window, strong winds, or whatever.  

I guess patience is a key factor as well. When you feel vibrations - what happens then? it is usual to use an exit technique - do you just suddenly find yourself in the Astral straight after the vibrations, and without doing anymore? How do you know when you are there?

quote:

The important thing is to concentrate on keeping your mind firmly affixed on the process. But don't think so hard! In analysing what I am doing, on a step-by-step basis over the past week, I found that there is definitely a point where you can use TOO MUCH concentration.  

My guess is that that is the biggest problem of all. People want to project so desperately, they simply try too hard and fail.

quote:

What happens is, the harder you concentrate the more "it" resists you. Keep on doing that and all that happens is you get into a downward spiral. Which is where I suspect most people who try Astral projection and fail, end up. Please understand you don't need any kind of harsh concentration coupled with any real degree of fixed determination. We are not fighting a war here! Yes, you do need a little concentration, obviously, else your mind would simply drift. But, again, the key word here is "little".  

Yes - that is what I was saying above! This I think is the single biggest problem.

But other techniques, like point shift, rely on the opposite - there you have to apply incredible amounts of focus and concentration to project - and hold it for up to 30'.

Relaxation and mind state are also evidently important as well.

quote:
 

Let's just say, for a moment, that the key to successful Astral Projection was imagining the right kind of "dancing" in your mind. But, let's also say, we had no concept of the act of dancing in the physical world. When I say dancing I mean simply human-beings dancing to music.  

If you could imagine that one particular way of dancing in your mind... whoosh... projection would be ignited. But with no visual concept of dance, in the physical world, the only means of communicating the actions would be through words.

So say the correct kind of dancing you had to imagine was classical ballet. Now, the problem would be, we'd have a large number of people all thinking along the correct lines alright... but they are imagining being in a nightclub dancing to Rock 'n Roll.

Yours,
Frank

Coming together is the beginning;
Keeping together is progress;
Working together is success.
Henry Ford

Thanks again Frank!

I think the process is coming together.

I would still like to know whether your method can be reliably used to project during the day from a sitting position, rather than just early in the morning?

With best regards,

Adrian.






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[andy]

Im wondering if you can elaborate on the eyes part.Is this imagery or pysicaly inwhich you roll them back?

I tried this early this morning to pysicaly to roll them back but found the flutering effect to be a bit much and aborted the idea thinking I got the method wrong.

I think it sounds interesting and lookforward to giving it a go.

Thanks!

[Adrian]

Greetings Andy!

quote:
Im wondering if you can elaborate on the eyes part.Is this imagery or pysicaly inwhich you roll them back?

I tried this early this morning to pysicaly to roll them back but found the flutering effect to be a bit much and aborted the idea thinking I got the method wrong.

I think it sounds interesting and lookforward to giving it a go.

Thanks!

You *physically* roll your eyes back and focus them upwards - as if you are looking at the centre of your forehead - which you are doing in fact - the area of the brow chakra.

The idea is to move your point of consciousness away from the area between your eyes, and *allow* it to drift to the brow chakra area  - upon which you focus.

I don't know yet whether one allows the point of awareness to drift further - i.e. out of the top of ones head - I await Frank's directions on that one.

As I mentioned elswhere - the brow chakra focus makes a great deal of sense for many reasons, but also Tibbetan and Buddhist Monks use it as a major part of their activities.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[andy]

Thanks for your response Adrian.So is the fluttering of the eyes normal or am I rolling them to far back?
Should the fluttering be light or semi-heavy?

[Frank]

Frank - do you allow your point of consciousness to just rise to the centre of your forehead and then focus on it, or do you allow it to carry on rising up ad-infinitum until projection occurs?

If I concentrate on anything it is allowing myself to be still.

Right now I'm imagining an orchestra and the conductor is doing his thing and he is leading the orchestra to the point where there is about to be a beautifully romantic violin solo. Ever so gradually each section of instruments will fade away. Yet there will be a common musical thread that has been sewn into the music that you know will be left for that one violin.

That is how you shut down your mind. It is a graceful and gradual process. Yet I fear what people do is concentrate hard on blocking-out stray thoughts. But doing such a thing is very self-defeating.  

I guess patience is a key factor as well. When you feel vibrations - what happens then? it is usual to use an exit technique - do you just suddenly find yourself in the Astral straight after the vibrations, and without doing anymore? How do you know when you are there?

Patience is THE key factor. Any feelings of frustration, despair, anger, and such like, are a DIRECT BLOCK to projection.

It's funny how you ask about what happens because I was practising exiting the physical in various ways and seeing what the effects would be. Okay, here's what typically happens to me when I go direct to the Astral.

The vibrations begin and they last for about 3 seconds. Then there is a feeling of an intensification of energy and immediately I lift up for a split second and then... whoosh... I accelerate RAPIDLY upwards and forwards. The degree of acceleration I would estimate is that of accelerating from a standstill to 100 mph in about 1 second (I used to be into drag-racing). In a vehicle you feel a push in the back... travelling to the Astral I feel more of a pull from the chest.    

After which I end up in some Astral place or other and begin interacting with my surroundings. I have not yet developed the skill to control the process such that I can determine exactly where I will end up.

But this morning I was concentrating on projecting progessively more slowly.

If when the vibrations begin you just turn around and kinda flop out of the physical, you end up in the RT zone. But what I found was, if I do not whoosh-off fast enough then I drop back down into my body. I tried what must have been 6 attempts at slowing down the acceleration at the exit. But each time I quickly fell back. Also, I found the attempts were very draining, energy wise.

In my final attempt I left the physical but, as I dropped back, I spun sideways and landed across my wife. This had a very unusual effect, to say the least!

In my sense of conscious-awareness I actually felt like I had landed across her body *exactly* as if I had done such a thing in the physical. Now, a very strange thing happened... we spoke. In fact, she told me off! She actually started cussing me about taking up her side of the bed. Which was very confusing I have to say. Especially as she remembered not one iota of the experience.          

I would still like to know whether your method can be reliably used to project during the day from a sitting position, rather than just early in the morning?

I have no idea because I only ever project early morning, sorry.

Yours,
Frank

[DjMidgetMan]

Ive been trying the method for the last couple days, and I think im making some progress.... Frank, you know how you say that when you take it slow, you can feel the vibrations coming in a limb softly?? But when you do it normally, the vibrations come out of nowhere??? Last night, I tried your method, and I felt slight vibrations coming in from my left leg/thigh, but they stayed slight.... How close was I???

DjMidgetMan
  "Mind over Matter"

[Adrian]

Greetings DJ!

On the only occasion I have been able to try this method in the early morning so far, I have felt a deep tingling all over from nowhere while focussing.

I am not sure how close that is to Frank's own definition of vibrations in accordance with this method?

Vibrations are actually all of your major and minor chakra centres opening, and energy movements though them - that is what happens naturally during sleep.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Arena]

Hi Adrian, Frank, and Everyone else,

I too, have stumbled on this "technique" but have not tried it as a method by itself yet.  One of my many approaches is to do anything that intensifies energetic sensation.  Focusing on my third eye by rolling my eyes back, definitely can increase vibrations and other energetic sensations. I also recommend doing an internal brushing down kind of movement inside your forehead or third eye.  Robert described a similar Brow center stimulation technique in his Training Guide to Seeing Auras.  I also do many other kinds of energy movements, but find that most are hard to describe, because they are energy movements, and are not physical.  For example, if I have a falling sensation, I then try to repeat it, and end up stumbling onto an energy movement that leads to that falling feeling.  

So far for me, lucid dreaming, astral projection, altered deep trance states, etc... all seem to be one whole continuum.  There isn't a clear demarcation that says now I am definitely out.  Although, it does feel like my consciousness gets looser and looser and freer and freer, and all kinds of "journeys" and experiences happen.  Like my body is asleep, and my consciousness is awake and lucid and free. Time and space feel very simultaneous, like it's all here and happening all at once.  It's not a matter of going anywhere, but more like it all comes at, or to me.  I can be open and receptive and just see what comes, or I can intend and create, and thus move into what I want.

I do think projection is easier and more ordinary and basic than we make it out to be.  Some time ago, I noticed that all the people who have regular OBE's or lucid dreams, are really into it.  They devote a lot of time and focus to doing it.  Soon after I made the decision to devote myself to it, lots started happening.

All types of OBE methods and attempts seem to strengthen the energy body and lead to greater energetic development.  It's exciting when you finally feel like you're living a whole life.  Waking life seems like it's only half of our experience/existence.  A key seems to be to enjoy whatever part of it you are able to do, or whatever it is that you are experiencing.  All kinds of weird and uncomfortable sensations can become pleasurable if you allow yourself to sink into and enjoy them.  All OBE techniques can be a fun and pleasurable journey in and of themselves.

I hope I didn't stray too much from the topic here and I hope this is helpful.

Arena

[Adrian]

Greetings Arena!

quote:
Hi Adrian, Frank, and Everyone else,

I too, have stumbled on this "technique" but have not tried it as a method by itself yet.  One of my many approaches is to do anything that intensifies energetic sensation.  Focusing on my third eye by rolling my eyes back, definitely can increase vibrations and other energetic sensations. I also recommend doing an internal brushing down kind of movement inside your forehead or third eye.  Robert described a similar Brow center stimulation technique in his Training Guide to Seeing Auras.  I also do many other kinds

Arena

That was most useful - thanks for your contribution

In Astral Dynamics, Robert describes an additional brow chakra stimulation method, which is approximately as follows:

Using awareness hands, do a stirring motion on each temple on each side of your head for about 20 seconds. After that - bounce your awareness from one temple to the other and back again, and continue with that bouncing motion. That would be after raising energy directly to the brow chakra area in the usual way. This can cause alot of activity!

I really do believe that we have something here though, thanks to Frank and everyone else who has joined in. Shifting consciousness upwards, and in particular focus on the brow chakra, has *many* precedents, in mant traditions for psychic effects, including Astral projection - I have named Tibettan and Buddhist Monks as two examples - there are many others. I think the discussion is centreing on achieving the necessary levels of relaxation and trance now, which can be achieved automatically by waking early morning, and also exit techniques.

It isn't unsual to use chakras as a basis for projection - I have read that many people visualise doors in either their solar plexus, heart or brow chakras, and exit through them.

Please keep the ideas and experiences coming!

With best regards,

Adrian.

[dashour]

Hello Adrian, and Frank and who ever else can answer-

Thanks for the reply to my questions about early morning/waking up etc. What I am getting at, but still a bit confused about, is this:

TOO SLEEPY, CAN SOMEBODY HELP?
1. When I wake up in the early morning, also naturaly, like Frank does, if I just continue to lie in bed and try to project, I feel like I am "drugged".  In other words, still so sleepy that it is hard to concentrate or focus at all on anything. So, I find that I have to get up and fully wake up first. However, if I do that, then I fear I lose the whole point of doing it early like that to take advantage of the naturally relaxed trance state that sleep gives us. Any comments?
Frank, does it hurt to wake one's self up fully, or should that be avoided, and should I learn to work with the sleepy drugged feeling, and take advantage of it the way it is?

WAKING UP AFTER 6 HOURS FOR A LUCID DREAM
2. I have tried several times in the past the technique of waking up after 6 hours, staying awake for 20-30 minutes and reading something related to this subject, then going back to sleep to induce a kucid dream. This technique definately has worked for me. Not every time, but a high percentage, and I highly recommend it. It is described in the book by Rick Stack called "Out of Body Adventures".

Regards,
Jack (Dashour)

[Adrian]

Greetings Dashour

quote:
WAKING UP AFTER 6 HOURS FOR A LUCID DREAM
2. I have tried several times in the past the technique of waking up after 6 hours, staying awake for 20-30 minutes and reading something related to this subject, then going back to sleep to induce a kucid dream. This technique definately has worked for me. Not every time, but a high percentage, and I highly recommend it. It is described in the book by Rick Stack called "Out of Body Adventures".

Regards,
Jack (Dashour)

You might want to consider converting a Lucid Dream into an OBE. I can't advise you on how to accomplish that - maybe someone else here can - but it is a recognised route to getting to the true OBE state.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[dashour]

Adrian - yes, I understand the idea of turning it in to a full fledged OEB, but my problem that I have with every lucid dream is that once I am lucid, it's like "Hey! YAHOO! I did it! WOW, look at that thing over there! Look at that mountain, or whatever. "OK I'm gonna fly now" (so I start flapping my arms - hey - it works) "I'm flying like a bird! WEeeee!"

You see, I am having way too much fun to go "OK, let's calm down now and try for a OBE".

Not wanting to let go of one reality in order to to enter and realize a possibly more rewarding one, is a basic problem of consciousness, and all spiritual disciplines, no?

Love, devotion, surrender,
Dashour

[DOA]

I had worked and worked on lucid dreaming and everytime I became lucid in a dream id get so excited id wake up.  This probably happened a dozen times so one time I realized I was dreaming and I said so what im just gonna wake up all depressed but then i realized i didnt wake up.. Then I asked out loud to go visit a friend and wind picked me up and i flew into a tunnell and then i saw a light and I fell out of the tunnel and landed on that person.  I believe I went from the astral to the real time zone and it was a strong request.  I believe you have to remain calm in the lucid dream and you have to think ahead and plan what you want to do affirmations and the like.  When ever I would become lucid Id have a strong sexual desire and this took me a long time to get over as well.  I had to firmly set in my mind what I wanted to do before hand.

DOA

[Roger]

I did the raising of awareness to my third eye last night and rolled my eyes back so that they were looking towards it.  Every time I did, within a few seconds, there was an astounding sense of expansiveness almost like I was falling into it (out of it?) and the vibrations would begin.  This seems to be an excellent new beginning technique so far.  I had very strange dreams and half-sleep-induced images that night.

Sadly, my eyes would get tired quickly and I couldn't hold it very long.  Perhaps as we try it a little more, our eyes will become accustomed to it.

[bitsmart]

Arena, I think I know the energy movement that causes a falling sensation you refer to. If we're talking about the same one, it is pretty hard to describe. I make this intense...'thing' in my head/mind, and immediately energy all over my body is increased. It's extremely effective, and if I push it hard enough eventually my muscles will spasm briefly. I think this spasm is almost like an 'overflow' of energy.

Besides that, I also do lots of energy movements, limited only by my imagination, my favorite of which is the vortex of energy around my body; I'm a Gemini, an air sign.

On a seperate note, I usually wake up shortly after my dreams become lucid. My most recent one, I became lucid and stopped everything I was doing, and just let it stabilize. Then like an idiot I thought I'd fly straight up as fast as I could (I still don't know why, I guess I thought it would shift me into the Astral.) Clouds blurred by and then I woke up. Whee.

If you have a problem with waking after becoming lucid, try looking at the ground, or just doing nothing, to stabilize the dream. Maybe some experienced LDers could add some stuff, as I'm not experienced at all, I was just sharing my personal experience with stabilizing.

bitsmart -
information illumination -
bitsmart@bitsmart.org -

[Frank]

I'll reply to the other points raised a little later on as right now I'm a bit busy with some work. But I took a quick look at a document referred to on another thread. I'm sorry I forgot who it was, but thank you for that as it contained something HIGHLY significant to me (it's the document on my Chakra thread where it says to scroll to section 6.1).

Okay, people on this thread have mentioned about this "third eye" and, yes, I too imagine looking out from a point in that region. However, when I think about letting my consciousness drift upwards... I definitely do say to think about it drifting upwards like it was going through the top of your head. Because, to me, that's exactly what it feels like. But at the same time I am imagining "looking out" from a point where I said to Mr DJ to paint an imaginary red dot on his forehead.

Right, I've just realised why all that is necessary!

This is what the document says...

"........The awakening of the third-eye chakra leads to clairvoyance or the ability to see on the nonphysical planes. And the awakening of the crown center is associated both with the ability to consciously travel on the nonphysical planes and with it the process of enlightenment."

That's it, in a nutshell. I couldn't believe it when I read it.  

Okay, call me thick, but I never really realised why it all worked, until this moment. Because I never understood anything about all this Chakra stuff. Yes, I have seen images of pyramid shapes with a big eye in the centre and all that jazz. But I could never relate to any of it.

But now I've realised that there is this Crown Chakra that sets the process off. That's exactly what it feels like! In the sense that Adrian has been asking about how far you imagine letting your consciousness drift upwards, and so forth. And I am saying, no, you don't need to worry about that because you get to the stage where the meta-physical imagery will kickstart the natural process of projection.

It really does feel exactly like there comes a point where a switch is thrown and... whoosh... the whole process begins.

It's like being in a dark room and switching on a light. One moment you can't see a thing and then, in an instant, everything becomes visible.

I think that is a good analogy: because in switching on the light, it is not the switch, in itself, that causes the illumination. No, all the switch did was direct the flow of energy to the bulb.

Now, imagine that the bulb is the Chakra. The initial meta-physical imagery is the switch, and the energy is your thought.

That's why you cannot use any old meta-physical imagery directed in any old direction. In the same way that if you want to switch on a particular bulb you have to throw a particular switch. Not only that, it can't be any old thought either. Because the energy has to be directed down a particular wire that leads to the bulb you wish to illuminate.

I'm realising, for the very first time, exactly WHY stray thoughts interrupt the process. I have always known they did, because that is what I experience. But I'm now understanding and realising "why" they do. It is the concentrated thought-energy that switches on the Chakra. If your thoughts are flitting about here and there, then it's like trying to feed a lightbulb with 1 or 2 volts instead of the full 240 volts (UK mains is 240 volts).

This also neatly explains why someone can be concentrating their thoughts alright, but still have zero projection success. Yes, they are concentrating their thoughts... but... sending them in the wrong direction!

Aaaagh... I've just realised...

The Chakra is the bleeding interface!!!!!!!!

I'm sitting here kicking myself that I just didn't realise this before. That's all a Chakra is, it's just an interface.

Speak to you all later, I gotta do some work now.

Yours,
Frank

"I want you to start a crusade in
your life... to dare to be your best"
William Danforth  

[no_skillzz]

Does anyone remember the Suneye techniques which were sold on Joe Russa's site a few years ago? Those techniques also had a strong emphasis on the Third Eye and also had a high success rate. Who knows... maybe if this technique works well, we'll be seeing it in future OBE books

[kifyre]

Hmm...

Crown chakra - bioenergetic interface with higher planes?
Third eye - works with crown chakra to process visual images for brain?
Throat chakra - associated with clairaudience, sound?
Heart chakra - supposedly your powerpack/battery for projection.

Extreme oversimplification, but possibly helpful...

...

Has anyone else found gently opening their entire body to be useful? See my progressive relaxation thread.

Once again, hmm...

Mark



Edited by - kifyre on 07 April 2002  19:30:52

[Zenchan]

I would like to warn you all not to focus on only one chakra.  Over time this can cause an unhealty imbalance.  If you are going to use techniques such as the Suneye, please do some other chakra work beforehand, perhaps during meditation, to make sure your other chakra's are in use.