Need help going outdoors w/o distortions

[Pandemonium]

Hello.

I don't know how much will this help, but in Buhlman's book "Adventures beyond body" the author writes that by passing from one room to another oftenly changes the world around you, sometimes causing you to transfer to another reality/plane. The astral never looks indentical to the physical, unless you had a real-time projection. Your subconciousness (forgive me if I have not spelled good) demonstrates the astral to you at the most acceptable way. As for prevention of the dream state within a projection, here is a tip. Get involved into you current surroundings, pay attention to details, go slowly, don't rush it. Keep your focus strong, don't let your thoughts "fly" without control to stop creating a dream. I hope at least a bit of this information will help.

Good luck,
Pan

[Kodemaster]

Hey,

Thank you for the tip. I haven't had all that many distortions going from room to room, but I do get a lot from going outdoors...Some other people posted specifically about the distortions caused by passing through solid objects and hopefully they will add to this post.

[ralphm]

After listening to Buhlman I got the idea that it was a subconcious connection, the idea of a door or window being a 'portal' to the subconciuos. Actually you did not say how you get out of the house, through the wall or door or window? Probably the way around this is through focus, however i have not heard of any talking about retraining the subconcious.

[AndrewTheSinger]

If you happen to be projecting in real-time and try to open a window/door that window/door will probably open, and then you won't be in real-time anymore, the window will be a thought-form provided for your interaction, you would have slipped into the astral dimension. The astral body can't normally interact with the physical world, so when you wish to be IN a place where you can do things your mind will get you straight to a place of the same vibrational rate of your body.

Based on this there's something you can try:

Do not interact with things around you, behave as a ghost, know you're not there, you can't touch doors or windows. Your body there is just an illusion and you really don't want to touch anything, you barely wanna take a look around. Be as much apathetic as you can. It can be a good idea to forget you have hands.

I can't assure you it will work, it's just a theory.

I found I can't go through walls (like I do in lucid dreams) when I astral project. When I spin I just usually pass through the bed, hit the ground and 'materialize'. Once, incidentally, I wasn't able to grab the window knob, I wasn't even thinking about being in real-time, I just foolishly tried to open the window and my arm kept going through the glass and wood.
There are surely more things that govern the nature of the experience rather than just the intent.

There's one thing called the 'death of the Ego'. They say the Ego - desires, vanity, and all aspects of the personality in general make us see things differently than what they are, they keep us from seeing the real truth. To illustrate this there's this quote from the book Mental Body, by Arthur E. Powell that I will try to translate here:

Just like a placid lake reflects the moon and the stars, but when bristled by the passing breeze only shows broken reflexes, a person can, by calming his/her mind, soothing his/her desires, imposing quietness to his/her activities, reproduce inside himself/herself the image of the Superior. But if his/her own thoughts come, his/her own desires arise, he/she will only have broken reflexes, dancing lights, that nothing will reveal.

Hope it sounds good. In portuguese it is very nice hehe.

[Patty]

Hi Jen,

I am curious what your motivation is for going outdoors. My motivation has been in the past, to go outdoors because I am trying to get somewhere distant, that is not in my house. Ex, last time I tried to visit a friend. But, I didn't know the way to my friend's house. I thought the trick of focusing on the friend would bypass the need for a specific route.

I think that rooms in the house stay fairly solid because we are familiar with them - but if the goal somehow involves passage through some unknown (like my trip to my friend's house) then maybe the conscious knowledge that we don't "know" the way throws a kink in the system.

Next time, try going outdoors simply because you want to see the paint on the house (something you know.) See if there is a fluctuation when you are outdoors looking at the paint. If there isn't, then you know that it isn't the act of going out that matters, but rather the act of going somewhere known vs. unknown.

Well that's my theory anyway and I'm sticking to it.

[Kodemaster]

Hi guys,

In the 47 or so OBE's I've had, I don't think I have been able to go outside the house once without the outdoors being distorted.

Just about everything indoors looks the way it should, but as soon as I enter the outside, it's like I'm in another world. Sometimes, (like today, in fact) I enter the dreaming state.

I have a feeling it's from passing through solid matter (i.e. the windows or doors). Can somebody give me some techniques for avoiding these distortions?

Thank you very much,