find cures???

[Mirador]

quote:Why cannot those that are experienced astral travelers go to the place where records are kept and get the information on different cures for diabetes, macular degeneration, parkinsons, ms, the disease that ages children very fast, etc

Unless the person doing the astral travelling is a Medical Doctor, you see, you ain't allowed to practice medicine without a license. By the way, any MDs aboard?


Mirador

[fredhedd]

wow sinestro.  i'd never thought about it like that.  i've been a member on this forum for a year or so.  i've helped a lot of people out.  i've even upped my status to gold member.  it felt really good at the time but...now that you've got me thinking, i think i'm ready to stop lying to myself and start my old walk down the old truth path.  

i'd just like to say for the record that i believe that sinestro has some really good points here and you guys should stop being rude to him. he is right and all.  just think about what he's saying.  really put yourself in the right perspective and everything will come to light.  

thank you sinestro for showing me how much of a fool i was for believing in something that i have no proof of.

[smilecollecter]

Why in the world would someone have to be a doctor in order to get information from another relm in order to help people in the physical.  The information could be something that would prevent a disease, or stop it's progress and reverse the damage.  Where does all the inventions and discoveries that we have now come from?  It has to come from somewhere even if it's inspired.  Many people get ideas (for books, songs, etc.) and answers to problems when they dream and so it would not be a far stretch to believe medical help could come from the astral or spirit world (my belief is they are one and the same, just different names)  And, the idea that suffering from a debilitaing disease makes us a better person is questionable.  If that were true, then everyone should have that experience if that is what will cause them to become a better person and then why have doctors to minister medicine and operations if the treatments cure us and we decide not to be a better person because we are healed. My original question was not to stir up controvercy but to get real answers to real problems in peoples lives.

[Mirador]

Alvina,

You have not stirred controversy, you've raised a very important issue, and I'm sure it's been very well received and appreciated in this forum. However, it's a fact that to apply any new medical therapy you would have first to get around the American Medical Association, the Food and Drug Administration, and other 'official' regulators in he USA and abroad, in the medical field, unless you want to get busted.

Mirador

[Nay]

Sinestro, I am just curious as to why you would come to these forums if it irritates you so much that all of us believe something that isn't real??  Come on, fess up you're a Defense Trial lawyer aren't you?...hehehe..or trying to be..  Or perhaps you just like a fired up debate?  
Oh, well...I am not going to try and convince you one way or the other what is real or not real.
You kinda remind me of one of those people who have to have constant confict in their lives....that has gotta suck..[]

Nay. []

[smilecollecter]

mirador,  you are right about having to deal with the fda and the medical profession but word of mouth works too, personal testamonies of healings.  Some in the medical community and the pharmacuticals have tried and tried to stop the over the counter use of herbs and suppliments and even now there is a bill before congress to limit our access to herbs and suppliments so that we have to get perscriptions for what we now can buy over the counter and that means higher prices and even not being able to get important things.  I use a lot of suppliments to replace what time and nature has reduced or taken away and hopefully, if enough people protest the bill won't pass.  Anyway, my whole idea for information from the astral was to be a benefit for all.

[Sinestro]

Nay---"I am not going to try and convince you one way or the other what is real or not real."

Well Nay, I have a question to ask you. What is REAL? How do you define REAL? If REAL is what you can taste, touch, see, and smell, then REAL is simply electrical signals interperted by your brain. Unlike you Nay, some people like Fredhedd, and Chill actually think that my research is great and that they like it, and I thank them for that. Why don't you just face it Nay, I have evidence to support what I say and you have none.

[beavis]

Sinestro (page 1) "Oh and Beavis you say that you have been somewhere that you have never been before and read something there and when you did you went to that same exact place in the Physical World. Well how would you go to some place that you have never been to before and know what is there? The answer is, is that you would't, because you don't know what is there, because you HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE PHYSICALLY."

The thing I read and had never seen before was a random number on my computer screen. I pushed a button and had it make a new number with my eyes closed. I read it with my eyes closed laying in my bed. There is no way you can convince me I didnt see what I saw.

[zakaroth]

'What is REAL? How do you define REAL? If REAL is what you can taste, touch, see, and smell, then REAL is simply electrical signals interperted by your brain.'- sinestro

Let me just thank Sinestro before I begin- I really feel that disecting his posts has opened up a whole new facet of being a member of this forum- and the way he treats my posts as if they are not even there makes the task all the more satisfing, anyway lets begin!

First of all, this quote is taken DIRECTLY from 'the matrix', and even though that is a brilliant film, I really think you should look farther for your resources- however this is indeed true- feelings are electronic impulses interpreted by your brain- but I fail to see how this has any bearing whatsoever on the subject- let me translate what we are trying to get across to you at the moment-
The question is- Is the astral plane real? Well lets do this Sinestros' way.
The question is Are the electronic impulses interpreted by your brain the same for two or more people- thus prooving it true, as the chances of random electronic impulses happening to hit upon exactly the same nerve in 2  people who then share the same experience is VERY slim-, or is it diffrent every time? the anser true TRUE I TELL YOU extensive reasearch by many government, independent and just two projectors at home, has prooven conclusively that astral experiences can be shared.

moving on to the next part of your post
'Unlike you Nay, some people like Fredhedd, and Chill actually think that my research is great and that they like it, and I thank them for that. Why don't you just face it Nay, I have evidence to support what I say and you have none.'- sinestro

now, excuse me but I am going to say something a little vulgar for a second here- *ahem* WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT??? what 'evidence' that has not already been disprooven do you have- and then you go on to say that research is in YOUR favour WHERE DO YOU LIVE, what planet are you on? Because if your on the one with the pink fluffy clouds and the bunny rabbits everything makes sense but we're on EARTH right now and all research, evidence, and the testimony of hundreds, nay, thousands of people throughout the internet supports US now just go back to your little computer, read the last 13 odd pages of posts, understand them AND THEN TRY AND DISPUTE ALL OF THAT EVIDENCE!!!!!

and dont ignore this post like the last, I want to see your reply sinestro- enlighten me with your oh- so -mighty believes

and by the way its belief not beleif

[Tippa]

'What is REAL? How do you define REAL? If REAL is what you can taste, touch, see, and smell, then REAL is simply electrical signals interperted by your brain.'- sinestro

Nice quote from the Matrix

"HOW CAN YOU GO SOMEWHERE THAT YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO BEFORE, I MEAN IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE AN SENSE."-sinestro

That doesn't make any sense... I had never been to California before September 2001, but I am here now...  I don't see why someone can not go somewhere they've never been.  Let me put it like this, get in your car and just start driving.  Keep going and going until you have no idea where you are.  How did you get there?  How could you possiblely go there since you had never been there before?

"No they are not wrong, a beleif is a beleif. Therefore it is what you beleive in. So it is not WRONG and it is not RIGHT, it is simply what you beleive in. Now I may not agree with your beleif on OBE's, but that does not make it wrong. It just means that I don't beleive in it, that is all." -Sinestro

"Don't you see Frère OBE's are NOT REAL! They are all just a Dream, just like NDE's are too." -sinestro

Contradiction there... If someone believes something is real then who are you to say that it is not?  You had said that "no they are not wrong, a belief is a belief"  but before that you insisted that OBE's are not real.  If it is their belief that it is real, then it must be for them to insist on.

Just something I noticed, and wanted to comment on.

Tippa

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Out of respect for smilecollecter and for the sake of staying on topic lets move the OBE is real or not discussion to Sinestro's topic where it is more on topic.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5756

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I have never been to the records area, but I have heard that they are not very clear. What you see can be hard to understand the true meaning. So being able to go to the astral, and the records area, is not enough. It requires one to be very skilled at understanding what is seen there and I do not know many that can do that. You still bring up a good idea and might be somethnig to strive for.

[Nay]

quote:Well Nay, I have a question to ask you. What is REAL? How do you define REAL? If REAL is what you can taste, touch, see, and smell, then REAL is simply electrical signals interperted by your brain. Unlike you Nay, some people like Fredhedd, and Chill actually think that my research is great and that they like it, and I thank them for that. Why don't you just face it Nay, I have evidence to support what I say and you have none.

Hehehehehe...Thanks for the chuckle Sinestro!  I told you that I wasn't going to get into a big debate with you on what I believe to be real.. This post could go on forever [] And it is quite obvious that you are not even willing to have a open mind.  
I apologize for the lawyer crack..I see now that you are a 17yr old without a job and is now conducting "Research" with the endless amount of free time you have on your hands.  Good for you!! put those raging hormones to good use!  May I suggest you find a girl friend though...it might calm you down a bit. [:I]
Is that really a quote from the "Matrix"?....Now that is FUNNY!!!!
Is that where your so called "evidence" comes from??  Bless your heart you sound like a good kid..just confused..you should read "Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce, I think you might really enjoy it..[]

quote:nay, thousands of people throughout the internet supports US now just go back to your little computer, read the last 13 odd pages of posts, understand them AND THEN TRY AND DISPUTE ALL OF THAT EVIDENCE!!!!!

Zakaroth..I can't tell if you are yelling at me or not??...LOL.. I believe in OOBE's..I have had them, no need for me to read more post to know this.

Nay. []

[zakaroth]

no no no no NO!

I meant nay as in no not Nay as in you- you seem to be very well informed, wheras Sinestro has taken his rightful place as Forum Clown- an object to ridicule and belittle![]

[Nay]

OHHHHHHHH....ROTFLMAO!!!!!!  *wipes the tears away*

Maybe I should change my nic..lol...Have had that nicname since my niece and nephew couldn't pronounce Renee'... Not very creative I know..[]

Nay.[]

[darkangel13]

to Sinestro: i had major doubts about the realities of OBE's, b/c i had tried time and time again to do it with no success...however, when it happened to me is when i believed it...it changed my life...b4 i'd questioned life after death, but now i do not... an OBE is a powerful experience that most only believe after they experience it...i understand your doubt, but u really needn't be so harsh against other peoples' beliefs.

[Nay]

Sinestro!!!!

Tsk, Tsk..I see you are editing your profile as I type this out![:O]
After you are done with that, are you going to responed then??? Don't make yourself too old, because when you open your mouth..well.....it gives you away. I have nooooo idea what job you are now going to have.?? oh, maaaan this is fun!

I am going to go with the first Profile I read on you...

Nay. []

[Sinestro]

No Nay my evidence doesn't come off the movie the Matrix, My evidence about God and the Bible are here:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5767
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5767&whichpage=2

Nay-"Hehehehehe...Thanks for the chuckle Sinestro! I told you that I wasn't going to get into a big debate with you on what I believe to be real.. This post could go on forever  And it is quite obvious that you are not even willing to have a open mind."

Well Nay Obviously you are going to have a big debate with me, because you keep comming back talking to me. It is unfortunate that you want to dismiss my thoughts as raging hormones...the debating of different ideas and beliefs are needed for all involved to hear and think about things in a diffferent way than perhaps they previoudly have before. But since you only want to belittle me and dismiss my thoughts and questions I am left to believe that perhaps you are not secure in the things you claim to believe. If you were than you would not be hostile in listening to my thoughts, questions and opinions. Just as I will listen to yours. It is not my intent to be disrespectful to anyone I am only trying to explore and learn about different things through lively debate and research.

Tippa-"That doesn't make any sense... I had never been to California before September 2001, but I am here now... I don't see why someone can not go somewhere they've never been. Let me put it like this, get in your car and just start driving. Keep going and going until you have no idea where you are. How did you get there? How could you possiblely go there since you had never been there before?"

Well Tippa, I am refering to you going somewhere by haveing an OBE not going there physically. You missunderstand what I am say. Ok lets say for example that you live in Califorina, and have never been to Florida. So you Project yourself from Califorina to Florida by traveling through the astral world. Since you have never been to Florida Physically then how would you go there mentaly? Do you get what I am saying? I am saying how could you go somewhere that you have never been to before Physically but go there mentaly, it makes no sense, because if you haven't been to Florida Physically then how would you go there mentaly by haveing an OBE? You couldn't go to Florida mentally unless you have been there physically, because you wouldn't know what is there.

[Sinestro]

Nay I HAVEN'T CHANGED MY PROFILE. What would changing my profile prove? Also why would I change my profile? Look I can assure you that I am 17 years old and am a male who lives in Florida, and my real name is Chris.

[Nay]

quote:But since you only want to belittle me and dismiss my thoughts and questions I am left to believe that perhaps you are not secure in the things you claim to believe. If you were than you would not be hostile in listening to my thoughts, questions and opinions. Just as I will listen to yours. It is not my intent to be disrespectful to anyone I am only trying to explore and learn about different things through lively debate and research.

I am secure in my beliefs, but I still have alot to learn.
Hostile?..Meeeee?...noooo..you should see the smile on my face..[]
Picking on you, perhaps, but I have not dismissed your rantings...I mean your points..And if I do tell you my thoughts you will only tell me they are wrong.  But here goes I will try...

quote:Ok lets say for example that you live in Califorina, and have never been to Florida. So you Project yourself from Califorina to Florida by traveling through the astral world. Since you have never been to Florida Physically then how would you go there mentaly? Do you get what I am saying? I am saying how could you go somewhere that you have never been to before Physically but go there mentaly,

I believe, or let me say "feel" that each one of us has a higher-self and spirit guide(s) whom have access to all that is out there..in the different planes, ect.. When you AP, you are now in touch with these entities.  Even though me..(the one sitting here at my desk) has never been to florida MY higher self/guide has..thus, they lead the way when in the Astral.

I hope that helps.

Nay. []

[Sinestro]

Well Nay I would have to agree with you about that we all have sprits. I do not however agree with you on being able travel outside of our bodies and into the astral world, but it doesn't mean that you are wrong. well Nay I have to ask you, do you beleive in life after death?

[RandomName]

Sinestro, you are obviously a flaming liberal that looks for fights, and for that, I call you an idiot.

You have posted complete refutes to OBEs based on evidence that you have NOT submitted, and have NOT TESTED if you developed the evidence yourself. I can help you test your theories by physically killing you, but that is just the kind of thing you are looking for is it not? To make people angry? I can give you 1000 reasons why this world CANNOT EXIST, but I am not going to go into that, you are a waste of my time.

You go on a witch hunt to find a purpose for stupidity instead of trying to realise you yourself are wrong before you try and fix it.

I think you have some good arguments, but at the same time you have so many stupid and unbased ones that everyone here should ignore you for your undefined flaming. Chosen stupidity, as presented by you, is the one thing that corrupts this world worse that it already is. I make people ask themselves questions and make them question themselves, and they do not like me for it. YOU on the other hand project forward ideas and call everyone around you ignorant liars, wether you realise this or not.

I do not beleive in a god, am I right? No. Am I wrong? No.
IF WE ARE BOTH NOT RIGHT OR WRONG THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE SPOUTING GARBAGE THAT IS NOT CORRECT OR EVEN SUPPORTED!? You are floating in midair with stupidity above and ignorence below you. One of these days these two idiot traits you have are going to

A.Get you killed or severely screwed
or
B.Get someone else killed or severely screwed.

I leave you with this, QUESTION YOURSELF AND YOUR OWN HYPOCRISY BEFORE YOU EVEN DARE TO POST ANYTHING ANYWHERE EVER AGAIN. HUMANS MAKE MISTAKES, BUT YOU SIR, HAVE STUPIDITY AS YOUR CRUCH. Am I the only person here willing to kick that cruch from under you to prove you really can walk?

[Nay]

quote: well Nay I have to ask you, do you beleive in life after death?

That is a big YES! And reincarnation.  Do you?...I can't help but feel that you are setting me up for a BIG discussion on this one..lol.[]

Nay. []

[goingslow]

quote:Originally posted by Sinestro


Well Tippa, I am refering to you going somewhere by haveing an OBE not going there physically. You missunderstand what I am say. Ok lets say for example that you live in Califorina, and have never been to Florida. So you Project yourself from Califorina to Florida by traveling through the astral world. Since you have never been to Florida Physically then how would you go there mentaly? Do you get what I am saying? I am saying how could you go somewhere that you have never been to before Physically but go there mentaly, it makes no sense, because if you haven't been to Florida Physically then how would you go there mentaly by haveing an OBE? You couldn't go to Florida mentally unless you have been there physically, because you wouldn't know what is there.

I havernt read all this thread but you just supported the opposite view you were taking.  The very fact you are able to project to florida is proof it isnt all in your mind and you're atually travelling.  Otherwise it would be all in your mind because it would be based on a memory.  The other side is arguing you're really travelling.. therefore its possible.  

You're taking your assumption and trying to argue based on it.. in this case you're taking as a given you are not really travelling.. it is only in your mind.  Then trying to use the evidence to suport it ie:  since you are only mentally travelling it is impossible it is real because you have no memory of having been there.  Its circular logic.. youre making two assumptions in order to try to prove your theory.  But those assumptions are based on your theory.  

Your logic is really bad, but part of that is due to your age.  You will one day improve on making logical conclusions instead of really obviously faulty ones and laugh someday.  We've all gone through that.. I remember some of the arguments I made at your age and I cringe.  

[Sinestro]

Yes I do beleive in Life after Death. I don't understand what you mean by reincarnation? Do you mean that we come back as an animal or as something else?