Got the vibes, now what?

[hermeticheretic]

Okay gang,

My first post was on Oct 13. As I stated, I'm fairly familiar with the trance state, and phasing comes pretty natural to me.  I've been practicing phasing now at least twice a day, once in the morning when I get up and once at night before I go to sleep.  I've been practicing my NEW body energy stimulation techniques before each session.

I took CFTravelers advice and when I get good and deep into trance, rather than allow my mind to chatter at me(wondering what technique I should try, trying to stay focused and not drift too deeply into one of the images racing across my minds eye, trying not to pay attention to the sounds in the room such as air conditioner unit, computer fan, etc)I focus intensely on the ringing sound in my ears.  CFTraveler called it the 'earhiss'.

Well for the past three days, when I've been focused on the ringing, I'll hit a state where the ringing will suddenly get intensely loud.  I'll start to hear all kinds of sounds, traffic noises(I live in the woods there is NO trafific), voices, dogs barking, wind blowing, typically random sounds all around me, yet at a distance.  Right at the moment that the ringing sound is the loudest, I get a jolt of energy that feels like an intense body-buzz starting in my chest right below my throat and a bit above my sternum, and right at my ears and eyes as well.  It radiates out in a pulse through the rest of my body like a concentric circle...like wwwWWWOOOOOOWWWWMMMM!!!!  As it's "wowming" in it's outward pulse it also feels vaguely constricting, like it's going both directions at once.  It almost feels like it's squeezing the air out of me as it's radiating outward throughout my body(so far the buzzing vibration has stayed mostly at my upper body)...like it's "wringing me out", but at the end of my exhale, when I go to inhale again, the extremely intense body-buzz stops. 

I have no doubts that this is the infamous "vibration".  I've heard it explained that it's like electricity but without pain, and that is a great description of what this feels like.  It is unbelievably intense, and at the end of it, my heart feels like it is trying race out of my chest.

I can generally get myself to feel this intense vibration two or three times per session, but it's fleeting.  It only last for a split second at the end of an exhale.  I have to will myself to hear the ear ringing louder and eventually it starts(after a while, I can't get it to go any more...probably because I'm trying too hard now).  During the vibration my eyes will often completely bug out and start fluttering and jumping around in my eye sockets, they're closed of course, but the sensation of my eyes fluttering along with the body vibration, and loud, loud, LOUD sound of the ringing and voices, and stuff, is very distracting. It's hard to stay completely calm when all of that is going on.  I don't freak out or anything, but after that happens I'll find that the experience has created tension in my otherwise relaxed body.  I'll have to re-relax my neck and shoulders again, to try and bring that sensation back on.

While the sensation is happening, what am I supposed to do?  When all of that is going on at once, I don't have any time to practice an exit technique, not only because it's so fleeting, but mainly because there's now so much going on in my body that I don't really have much control over my conscious attention...I'm just 'there'...experiencing it.  Should I try to extend the period of the vibration? If so what should I expect?  Should I try to get it to include full breaths(exhalation AND inhalation)?  If so, how?  Should I try to get the vibrations all over my body?  If so, how?  I'm tensing up when it's happening without knowing it, should I try to keep that from happening?  If so, how?

Suggestions for me at this point?  Expert opinions?  Emotional outbursts?

Dustin

[Zino]

It's a hard thing to explain, you are definitely on the right track. When you get the vibrations, just try to keep your mind clear feel the vibrations getting stronger and slowly moving around your body and try to just keep clear and sort of go 'deeper' into your head. It's very hard to explain and it's different for each person but that is what I do.

Hope I helped.

[RisingSon]

I've only been out once consciously from SP, but I experience those sensations fairly commonly and often as you describe - fleetingly.  I have been purposely trying to induce SP for about two months now and only have had two strong experiences so far.  To do this it was about allowing the feelings to come in fully and move around as they wish.  In the past I fought the vibrations, sounds, etc or was simply overwhelmed.  Once I got used to that state, it was actually a fun experience.  To project you need a full blown SP - at least in my very limited experience.  The first strong SP I had and was conscious of was much like you describe, I was just "there". 

The second SP I managed to project successfully.  Projecting was hard the first attempt and I failed at getting out.  I made a command like, "go to the window" and then found myself being pulled by my feet and thrashed around like a rag doll.  I remember feeling frustrated at this point (but I was also laughing) and suddenly I was back in SP and lying on the bed again.  This time I made the oft used command, "float to the ceiling", and I literally shot out of my body and hit the ceiling with some force.  The next time I projected (all in the same session) I went from SP to out of body very easily and naturally, no fuss.  So, it seems like it is a learned behavior, like riding a bike to find that perfect balance point.

I can't wait for my next chance.  Keep the focus up and you'll get out in time.
 

[Eagle]

hermetic...your experience sounds very much like a few I've had.  I read in a marriage book a few years ago about "full body orgasms" resulting from sending/receiving energy with your partner and when I first experienced your symptoms...I figured it was the full body thing.  But after I got on here and posted about it a week or so ago, CFTraveler said it was a heart chakra projection and suggested using the rope method to try to get out of body.  So maybe give that a try?  Or maybe it's a different energy that we're raising and is taking us in the wrong direction...maybe kundalini energy or something?  Hopefully others will have some suggestions...

[nickspry]

Hermetic,
are you 100% sure that you're not actually separating on some of these occasions? The reason I ask is that a few years back when I was first trying to project I would often reach the vibration stage, and then when they faded out I would simply assume that I'd failed and was awake. I'd then just continue into normal dreaming. In fact I was often separating, and only realised this when I started doing a regular reality check (pinch nose and try to breathe through it). When you first enter the astral, it often doesn't feel any different from just lying awake in bed, and this used to fool me often until I learned better. Sometimes it's only when you "roll out" and get moving that the differences become apparent, so it's worth doing the check just to be sure.
I'm not saying that this is what's happening with you, but it might be.....

[CFTraveler]

Okay gang,

My first post was on Oct 13. As I stated, I'm fairly familiar with the trance state, and phasing comes pretty natural to me.  I've been practicing phasing now at least twice a day, once in the morning when I get up and once at night before I go to sleep.  I've been practicing my NEW body energy stimulation techniques before each session.

I took CFTravelers advice and when I get good and deep into trance, rather than allow my mind to chatter at me(wondering what technique I should try, trying to stay focused and not drift too deeply into one of the images racing across my minds eye, trying not to pay attention to the sounds in the room such as air conditioner unit, computer fan, etc)I focus intensely on the ringing sound in my ears.  CFTraveler called it the 'earhiss'.

Well for the past three days, when I've been focused on the ringing, I'll hit a state where the ringing will suddenly get intensely loud.  I'll start to hear all kinds of sounds, traffic noises(I live in the woods there is NO trafific), voices, dogs barking, wind blowing, typically random sounds all around me, yet at a distance.  Right at the moment that the ringing sound is the loudest, I get a jolt of energy that feels like an intense body-buzz starting in my chest right below my throat and a bit above my sternum, and right at my ears and eyes as well.  It radiates out in a pulse through the rest of my body like a concentric circle...like wwwWWWOOOOOOWWWWMMMM!!!!  As it's "wowming" in it's outward pulse it also feels vaguely constricting, like it's going both directions at once.  It almost feels like it's squeezing the air out of me as it's radiating outward throughout my body(so far the buzzing vibration has stayed mostly at my upper body)...like it's "wringing me out", but at the end of my exhale, when I go to inhale again, the extremely intense body-buzz stops. 

I have no doubts that this is the infamous "vibration".  I've heard it explained that it's like electricity but without pain, and that is a great description of what this feels like.  It is unbelievably intense, and at the end of it, my heart feels like it is trying race out of my chest.

I can generally get myself to feel this intense vibration two or three times per session, but it's fleeting.  It only last for a split second at the end of an exhale.  I have to will myself to hear the ear ringing louder and eventually it starts(after a while, I can't get it to go any more...probably because I'm trying too hard now).  During the vibration my eyes will often completely bug out and start fluttering and jumping around in my eye sockets, they're closed of course, but the sensation of my eyes fluttering along with the body vibration, and loud, loud, LOUD sound of the ringing and voices, and stuff, is very distracting. It's hard to stay completely calm when all of that is going on.  I don't freak out or anything, but after that happens I'll find that the experience has created tension in my otherwise relaxed body.  I'll have to re-relax my neck and shoulders again, to try and bring that sensation back on.

While the sensation is happening, what am I supposed to do?  When all of that is going on at once, I don't have any time to practice an exit technique, not only because it's so fleeting, but mainly because there's now so much going on in my body that I don't really have much control over my conscious attention...I'm just 'there'...experiencing it.  Should I try to extend the period of the vibration? If so what should I expect?  Should I try to get it to include full breaths(exhalation AND inhalation)?  If so, how?  Should I try to get the vibrations all over my body?  If so, how?  I'm tensing up when it's happening without knowing it, should I try to keep that from happening?  If so, how?

Suggestions for me at this point?  Expert opinions?  Emotional outbursts?

Dustin

If you are feeling overwhelmed by the sensations, deep breathe into them 'with them' and then try an exit technique.  If this seems too complicated (are you panicking?) sit up (or get up).  You may find yourself floating.
If you physically get up, and verify you are actually awake, go back to the trance portion of the routine, and do the noticing all over again.

[bondgirl3007]

Something that's worked for me before, is take a really deep breaths. This can sometimes draw you right out of the physical.

[hermeticheretic]

nickspry and CFTraveler,

I am pretty confident that I have not yet separated...and yes, CFTraveler, I may be panicking a bit.  The vibes feel like they are sucking the air out of me, so I may be unconsciously fighting against them.  nickspry, I never loose my flow of consciousness.  I'm doing a lot of my attempts during my 2 year olds nap time.  He goes down for a nap, and I phase.  I have a cell phone next to me(ringer off of course)to check the time, and there is never any lost time.  I have continual memory of my entire meditative state, from the point that I lay down through the relaxation, all the way into deep trance with full visual memory of all the movie-like-projections running across my minds eye and even the auditory and visual hallucinations that occur right at the vibe state. I'm able to bring on the vibrations, but they are so short, and so fleeting that I'm unable to use them to project...

CFTraveler, you hit the nail on the head last time, I'm going to try your advice again and just try relax into the vibes...try to prolong and breath through them enough to be able to attempt an exit technique during them...

nickspry, I'm going to be extra vigilant in verifying whether I'm in a physical or astral state.  Most of the time when I finally quit and decide to get up, it takes no effort what so ever, I simply sit up and get out of the bed(I often feel groggy, like I just woke up from a 5 hour sleep, but I get up without any struggle, effort, or astral travel), which is why I am convinced that I have not yet achieved a consciously willed  out of body state yet...

thanks guys,

I appreciate you more than I can possibly ever express with words,

Dustin

[Ryuk]

I have the same problem
I can go in the state you describe easy.I starts with my body going numb like under anesthesya and after my pshysical senses shut down.It's a great feeling, like floating in nothingness.I start seeing images but I just snap before I start dreaming.After 10 minutes or more I start feeling these "ripples", that go through my body.They are at low intensity in the begining but soon they turn into curents of "electricity" that go through my spine and entire body.
When they reach a certain intensity my heart starts beating like crazy, and literaly going through my chest.I feel breathless and a little paniced and if I start breathing more deeper this states seems to fade in and eventualy disapears.All this is amazing but I can't seem to use the projection techinques in a proper way

[hermeticheretic]

Ryuk,

Man I'm with ya.  I've been practicing for what seems like ages now and have yet to be able to have a consciously willed out of body experience.  It hasn't happened for me yet.  I've had lots of OBE's from a sleep paralysis state, but have NEVER had a consciously willed OBE...ever, never, ever, never. 

I've been a skeptic for a long time concerning what these experiences really are.  I've been having lucid dreams and OBE's for years now.  The truth is that I don't feel any different that I do now during these episodes.  I feel a sense of being...a sense of experience...an sense of being in the experience now, just like I am having right now as I am writing the words that I am typing for you...but then I wake up.  I always wake up.  I wake up and say, "wow, that sure felt real".  I have memories of my travels just like I have memories of my every day life.

trying to make sense of this 'feeling' this 'experience' is the main reason why I am a part of this forum...there is something very real about my obe's and lucid dreams...I'm just trying to figure it out...if you get any insight(if ANYBODY gets any insight)let me know...drop me a line.  I'd love to hear from you.

Dustin The Hermeticheretic

[Poida]

I also am at this stage. I feel I have been so very close to separation, but have not yet. I have another question regarding this actually: Should you not be concentrating on or even thinking about your physical body when in the vibrational state? My reason for asking is that in the book I have been reading, 'Adventures Beyond the Body: How to Experience Out-Of-Body Travel' by William Buhlman, he states that thinking of the physical body while in the vibrational state or when out of body instantly snaps you back to the physical. I've also read this in many other places and in my experience with the vibrational state, it seems entirely true. This is probably the reason why I fail. So when people say to feel and encourage the vibrations, it seems hard to do without thinking of the physical body, as with most exit techniques, like rolling out or sitting up... Curious  

[RisingSon]

I've had lots of OBE's from a sleep paralysis state, but have NEVER had a consciously willed OBE...ever, never, ever, never. 

Please explain what you mean by this.  I have had one OBE via SP, but I willed myself out by making the command, "float to the ceiling".  I've failed to separate something like 3 times now during SP, but came very close each time - my head tends to get "stuck" in my body while my legs, torso, and arms are out and free floating.  How do you have and OBE from SP if it isn't consciously willed?  I'm confused.