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[Icarus]

Thank you for your tip! I was just at the point where I needed a little piece of knowledge to get me over the edge. I'm so glad we have the Internet to facilitate our quests for information. Instant access.. at our fingertips.

I'm going to try the second part of your tip tonight. As for the part about the herb, I'll be sure to look it up over at erowid. Sounds interesting if taken correctly.

farewell,

Ic.

[schmemmm]

I have used Calea Z and it does nothing for me. I have tried various methods to AP or OBE or Lucid but all to no avail so far. I was suprised, I thought Calea might do something but it had no effect on me at all. I have drank the tea, smoked some, taken capsules all of the leaf, but have not tried to make an extract or bought an extract.

[Zarklon]

I have a question for you ,TryingOBE.   My biggest problem is simply falling asleep after reaching the hypnagogic imagery state.  I will get to the point where I hear noises , voices and stuff likke that but something brings back focus to my physical body.   I can reach this state within 10 minutes of my attempt to leave my body but I think once i'm there I focus back on my breathing and my awareness of my body becomes present once again thus pushing me further from the exit state.  

What have you found that helps you to keep your focus away from the physical body during the hypnagogic state?  

I've tried focusing on the imagery or even trying to make subtle changes to what my mind is thinking about and either that wakes me up just a little more than I want it to or I end up getting so deep into it that I simply slip away in it and fall asleep.  Any ideas?   Thanks

[Hamoi]

Whats the difference between herb's and drugs?

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[Time Traveler]

I've smoked it, made tea out of it (tastes horrible) and made capsules to swallow out of it. The capsules work the best.

I have about an ounce of Calea. I made tea once and it was the worst thing I have ever tasted. Can I put my dried leaf in capsules? If so how much do you put in them?

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[schmemmm]

I have taken up to 8 capsules at the one time with crushed herb but they were not huge capsules. That has no effect on me. I have smoked it and drunk a tea, but the person I know who did have great experience with astral travel with it chewed up the gross leaves and you have to chew a lot of them! It really does make you want to gag.
I have now ordered the extract.
I have taken the capsules that I made by just by stuffing the leaves in there instead of grinding them up first and taken them with mugwort tea, it made me more aware of my heartbeat but that is all. I took it before bed, so maybe taking it in the early hours of the morning would be better.

[BillionNamesofGod]

I don't think any drug can induce OBE on demand.
that's my gut feeling.
I see it as a placebo effect, if you believe it will, it will, in that sense
it will work I suppose.

I did see something when I was a kid, a device called a dream machine.

Now I can see how this works, it detects REM and them, sends electical
pulses, which you feel in your dream, so hence you realise you are
dreaming.
I think drugs just help to induce a relaxed state of mine, the key for OBE.

Why don't you try these dream machines?

[schmemmm]

The indians have been using calea for years, I don't think you can say that any drug has a placebo effect just because it works for some and not others. You can say that in all people it will have the capacity to have differing levels of effectiveness due to a number of circumstances and a number of factors involved. Different plants will also cause different levels of effectiveness, as will different harvesting methods and different times of harvest.
The Nova dreamer is no longer on the market and was retailing at well over 500 dollars. Certain herbs are well renowned for causing lucid dreaming, dream recall and many other things.  Calea isnt supposed to induce OBE on demand. It is supposed to induce a longer dream state where you can ask the spirit of calea to assist you with a problem psychically and then take it. I would agree that perhaps some drugs do just relax you enough to be in a trance and hence receive visions if this is your intent, i believe that Kava would be such a drug, but I don't agree that Calea is a placebo just because for me it has not had any effect. If I take the extract and it works then i will be even more convinced that this is not the case, because i have only used one supplier of Calea and the extract is coming from a different supplier. Personally I have not just tried herbs to do these things, I have tried many, many different methods and looked at all options involved, using the herbs is just one of many things I have tried.

[jason]

If I wasn't on any meds, I might try it.

It's probably not a good idea at this point!

[BillionNamesofGod]

The indians have been using calea for years, I don't think you can say that any drug has a placebo effect just because it works for some and not others. You can say that in all people it will have the capacity to have differing levels of effectiveness due to a number of circumstances and a number of factors involved. Different plants will also cause different levels of effectiveness, as will different harvesting methods and different times of harvest.
The Nova dreamer is no longer on the market and was retailing at well over 500 dollars. Certain herbs are well renowned for causing lucid dreaming, dream recall and many other things.  Calea isnt supposed to induce OBE on demand. It is supposed to induce a longer dream state where you can ask the spirit of calea to assist you with a problem psychically and then take it. I would agree that perhaps some drugs do just relax you enough to be in a trance and hence receive visions if this is your intent, i believe that Kava would be such a drug, but I don't agree that Calea is a placebo just because for me it has not had any effect. If I take the extract and it works then i will be even more convinced that this is not the case, because i have only used one supplier of Calea and the extract is coming from a different supplier. Personally I have not just tried herbs to do these things, I have tried many, many different methods and looked at all options involved, using the herbs is just one of many things I have tried.

I agree with you of course, and it's much cheaper than DreamMachines.
But I think you must not forget the practice and mental discipline, and many years of practice and mentorship from older shamans.
I've read a lot about this topic, and it's not just about the drug, that's a very small part of it. The drug does help, but the strong belief system and training is more important, the drug can be almost seen as ritualistic.

THe drug get's you in an relaxed/altered state, of course, but what counts is what do in that state, to be successfull.

I don't know whether you saw Derren Brown show in the UK, where he described sensations of being drunk to someone, and that person actually acted and became drunk.  * without any alcohol *.
So the state of mind is more important than the drug, that's all I'm saying, not the drug it self per say.

[schmemmm]

I do agree on those points, but just like people have used specific binaural beats presets without knowing what they do and had success I believe you could take calea and have it affect you in the manner it is claimed to even without knowing what it does. I believe that intent and knowing with certainty are a huge catalyst for manifestation of things but I still believe that the herb does have qualities that can induce a specific type of dreams. I don't know much about how it interacts with the human body, so I cannot say how it does this.