help

[shorty]

Hi Arie. You're not the only one who hasn't had an obe yet. I've been trying for about 7 months now, and  it doesn't feel like I've made much progress. I know though, that it can take a long time though for some people, and it will happen  whten you are ready. Just keep wanting and trying and you'll get there soon.

Good luck,
Michael

[fredhedd]

have you read ad?, have you read all of the treatises on this site?, how long have you been trying, and what exactly have you been trying? are you able to enter a trance state? what progress, if any, do you feel you have made?  give us a little more detail on what the problem is exactly, and we'll be able to help you .  

being ticked off is common , try not to get ticked off about it
fred

[alpha]

Yes we need more details,It took me forever to be able to trance well.I spent so much of my time just meditating everyday.Getting ticked off about it will actually make it harder.So try your best not too get your emotions involved.

                                                               .No hurrys youll get out someday...
                                                                                                             ALPHA

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"WAKE UP!WAKEUP!WAKE UP AND LOOK AROUND YOU!WERE LOST IN SPACE AND THE TIME IS OUR HOME"
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[weagle]

never get fustrated because that is an emotional sign of defeat be like in a desirous mood like this is really good, I'm benefiting from this etc.. I have been obe'ing lots of times only in sleep mode though when my body is relaxed but I was aware of myself and doing it, one time I kept doing it over and over again 3 times in a row get out of my body, then go around go back in go out of my body but that is really the key is making your body physically relaxed I think that is why so many people are successful in obe'ing while conscious state because they trained their minds to relax big time, the second way is during sleep or while you're getting up from sleep physically relaxed thats another reason why some are successful when they do obe's after they wakeup as well.  The side-benefit even if you don't achieve obe right away is a physically relaxed body which is good for your health, so you get two benefits from doing these exercises I think.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Arie, for you to be a good astral projector, you must first have dream knowledge.

It's important that you have a good dream memory, and remember at least one of the many dreams that you have at night. Keep a dream diary, and take note of the dreams as you wake.

When you're good at remembering the dreams, start setting goals for them. Program yourself to meet a person in a dream, or to fill a certain task and things like that, and explore your possibilities. It's important that you have a clear objective in mind. Just set the goal and let go.

All you have to do is to fall asleep with this intention.

When you're good at lucid dreaming you will be able to transform lucid dreams into astral projections, and be aware of the trance state as you go through it.

You have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk, and then you'll fly.

[Arie]

Guys andddddddddd Gals....thanks for the input.  I've been thinking about it and probably the part where I mess up in is relaxation.  I probably don't relax enough.  The second part is I'm probably not in a deep enough trance state.  Do you guys have any suggestions for this.  I try to think of something where I'm going down like a slide or something.....but the feeling of going downnnnnnnnnnn is not that intense at all.  I hear some people feel like they drop 200 ft in a split second. Woahh now thats a deep trance.    How do I do that?   Another problem I have is with the rope technique.  It seems whenever I visualize the rope my hands do something weird like rap around the rope without holding it etc etc.  What do you guys think?  I was thinking of just buying some rope and tying it to a tree or something just so I could get the "feel" of it.  What do you think?  Andrew thats REALLY interesting you talk about inducing obe's out of dreams because I actually had a dream where I was about to do the relaxation, trance and rope technique or somethin in my dream!  It was pretty cool because in the dream I was really hyping myself up like saying  "I am eternal ....I will have an obe!"  etc etc like yelling it to myself.  It was pretty cool.  But then I think I woke up which really sucks.  I'll definitely do your suggestions Andrew....I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have an obe now.  No tears.    Thanks alpha, weagle, fred!!!!   And shorty did you read what Andrew said....that stuff is dynamite!!!!  Thanks guys.


Arie

[Arie]

Guys....this is really tinkling me off.  I've been reading about obe's for months now and I've tried tons and tons of techniques but NOTHING is working!  I actually cried about this because I want to have one so bad but nothing seems to work.  I just tried the rope technique and a couple others and I don't feel jack....no vertigo NOTHING.  Ahhhhh.  I'm sick of reading about obe's and nde's its just making me so angry that all of these people are having these amazing life changing experiences and I'm stuck here in my reality and I can't get out.    Can someone please give me an easy technique that I can try? Please!  Frank what is this "phasing" that your talking about? How does someone do that?    Thanks alot guys!

Arie