Helping someone else out.

[Soulfire]

Hi,

I believe ANYTHING is possible, but I cannot even begin to see any practical way of doing this.  You can see people in their dreams (I believe normal dreams happen in the Astral planes too but just lack consciousness), but unless they remember the dream they will not remember having seen you.  Unless they believe in Astral travel, even if they DO remember the dream, they will usually just think they dreamed about you and not consider that you were actually "there" with them consciously.

I do believe that it is possible to help someone who is attempting a conscious projection of their own free will by feeding them energy, as I feel I was "helped" in sone of my earliest attempts.  I think entities who do this are typically non-physical in nature and have more conscious knowledge of the finer points of astral techniques than most physically incarnate people are likely to have access to.  It might also be possible to wake someone who is dreaming into lucidness, but that is very unlikely unless they have learned to awaken their critical faculties and check for "reality" in their dreams.  Even then, the odds of getting "through" to them so that they realize they are dreaming and become conscious are probably not very favorable to say the least.

--Soulfire

[APGuy]

I think you can make someone know that they're projecting if they're unconciously projecting and that you can possibly pull them out if they're stuck part way in their body but I don't think pulling them out without them doing any preperation is possible if that's what you mean.  But I've only been here a month so that's just my thoughts on the matter.

[Squeek]

The scenario I was thinking about would be two friends that both go for it relatively at the same time.  If one gets out before the other, they go to them and help them out.  Or if one is less experienced (*cough*, me), helping them out....

There could also be the scenario that you want to show your friend that has no idea what it's all about what it is.  You just tell him to stay awake but relaxed as much as possible then when you get out, you help him out.

Yes? No? Post!

~Squeek

[Soulfire]

I honestly can only speculate on this because I have never attempted anything like this yet personally.

I suspect that if both people know how to do it and time their travels together, they might be able to help at least energetically.  I have heard reports of people saying they felt pulled out of their bodies, but it's hard to say if that is actually what happened or just how their brain interpreted something totally unfamiliar to them.

As for showing a friend who has no idea what it is all about, I would guess that would be very difficult at best.  I believe you would probably have to at least be able to get yourself to deeply feeling the energy sensations that occur during projection or maybe even waking paralysis before anybody could have much chance of helping you.

Again I am only making an educated guess here, so hopefully somebody with actual experience on this aspect will give you a more authoritative answer.

--Soulfire

[shadowatcher]

yes. Sometimes you can be helped by invisible astral helpers or guides. I was helped by a guide my first time APing.

[Squeek]

Awesome... Now that we have some ground work laid, why don't we actually... try it?  Everything is always better to do with a friend, right?

Someone should try this...soonish.  It sounds like it could work.  All you really need is to be able to find the person once you're out...and since I have no experience I don't know how hard that would be...

~Squeek

[shadowatcher]

I dont really know very many people (outside of Astral Pulse) who Astral Project [].

[Squeek]

I don't see why people here couldn't help you, or vice versa.  Like with Nay, over MSN, I got out my webcam and showed her my entire room (minus me), and she says "Heh, now I'll have a place to visit "  I didn't think of it at the time, but that's what started this entire topic.

That's not the only way to do it either...  Digi cams and taking pictures of the area around where you AP (mine would be my bed, duh  ), or drawing it in Microsoft Paint.  Get creative

~Squeek

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I read about this recently in Astral Dynamics. Robert Bruce seems to think that it is not possible, though he does not know for sure. This idea seems to be like an urban legend, everyone has heard about it but no one has experienced it first hand. It seems that nonphysical beings have an idea about what they are doing as I have read of people being helped out by them (not astral projectors), and possibly experienced it myself though I am not sure about it.

I will guess and say that it is possible to help others out of body, but I do not think that the way to do it is how you would think. I do not think you can just grab someone and pull on them to pull them out of body. As Robert Bruce says, to the one being pulled out this will probably just feel like a psychic attack if anything. So I really am not sure how to do it. Robert Bruce does state that you can awake a sleeper and go off an adventures with them. He has done this many times. The problem with this is that the sleeper never seems to remember the experience. So it is my belief that it is best to just learn to do it on your own, because if you are not developed and ready for the experience it will probably not be a good experience and you will probably not remember any of it anyway. Likewise, when someone else does help you out, I think they only can if you are ready to experience it.

[Soulfire]

Hi,

I also do not have any friends in RL who are open to the same kind of spiritual ideas that I believe in.  These forums are the only outlet that I have right now to discuss things of this nature.

--Soulfire

[Tenacious]

Squeek- You have a very interesting Idea!!!  I was going to ask close to the same thing but you beat me to it []  As for the open minded her in NC, NO.  Only one person I can think of is my friend at work, which of whome i told, but she thinks I'm crazy anyways []

-Yours-

-Tenacious[]

[Squeek]

Hehe, sorry bout that :p

From what it looks like as of yet nobody's even gonna try.  That's sad to me.  Very....  Information from books isn't your experience...

I still think it's plausible if the factors I mentioned before come into play.

~Squeek

PS - Tenacious, is that a CS Spraypaint logo as your avatar?  Nice...

[Squeek]

So to keep this as brief as possible, the only question I have is...

Once you are out, is it possible in any way to pull somebody else out with ya?

Post!

~Squeek