Horrible experience... Too terrified to go back? Any help would be appreciated!

[kurtykurt42]

Hi Enix welcome to the forum.

I felt such weird energy and emotions, I had strange thoughts that didn't feel like mine and heard voices. I swear my thoughts were interconnected with other peoples actions and words at times which I know sounds strange. Due to being controlled I think I developed some weird sense of mind control for awhile. I noticed I was too analytical too. I know the whole experience integrated some paranoia within me after an hour or two of being there which of course didn't help.

Personally I got off the medication right away and have been just fine.  I would suggest trying to get off it after a few months of being stable but that's just my personal opinion cause I don't trust the stuff. Maybe try practicing yoga and see a witchdoctor, Shaman, Reiki Practitioner or possibly all three. Otherwise the doctor will do the easy and profitable thing to do and keep you on meds. Our Health Care system would probably consider the alternatives crazy.

Strong medications can sure do some pretty strange things. Personally I hate taking prescription / over the counter drugs and since I started energy body development about four years ago I have not gotten sick once. I would recommend getting off medication ASAP. I have never seen it do anything good and people that start taking strong medication usually don't stop. My grandfather has been a pharmacist for over 40 years and I have seen many of the same people come in for medication and are ALWAYS sick. They get worse and worse, crazier and crazier and still keep coming in for their weekly medications.

[Valkry]

Hi Enix, thanks for your post.

I agree, the hospital isn't the most pleasant place, but I've been in there often enough that I became accustomed to it. Strangely, my symptoms were worse in hospital, though.  I heard more voices, experienced more presences, and at one point was almost dragged out of my body at night by a I-don't-want-to-know-what.

Unfortunately, I have tried and failed (several times) without meds. I have had a period of 6 months stable, and thought: "I don't need these damn things anymore" and stopped taking them... t'was a bad idea.

Hopefully one day it will become an option for me to get off of them, as I am finally able to project these days and may ask my guide for advice on a voyage. I do NOT want to be on them forever.

I've heard that antipsychotics can elevate symptoms in the long run, which is unfortunate, but getting off of them right now isn't really an option. In fact, I was only guaranteed to get out and stay out of the hospital if I vowed to stay on them for a very long time. I was told I wasn't "permitted" to mess with the doses again, considering what happens every time I do.

Thanks again, take care.

Tiff

[The Present Moment]

Make sure your psychiatrist understands your desire to eventually get off the meds, and is willing to help you do that. Most psychiatrists take a meds-only approach and are not trained in managing the symptoms in other ways.

[Enix]

Ive never been able to astral project, The closest Ive came was during paralysis, I was trying to get out of body and kept hearing this buzzing noise every time I would try.
Anyway two books that might help you if you have that problem again are Psychic Self Defense by Dion Fortune and Practical Psychic Self-Defense: Understanding and Surviving Unseen Influences.

I'm reading Psychic self defense right now and although it doesn't have exercises. It has many First hand experiences of negative experiences she's experienced. There's some interesting occult knowledge since shes been in some famous occults. That might help prepare you in case something happens.

Ive never read Practical Psychic Self-Defense by Robert Bruce but Ive heard good things about it.
Apparently it has practical practices so you can be prepared for just about anything.

[joel1212]

ive read that you can fight negative entities with light! like surround yourself with a shield of light and give light to the negative entity and it surely won't like that  you may want to get a orgonite pendant as it raises ur frequency and gives off positive energy 

[Messenger]

Valkry-

I have seen a lot of advice dispensed on here but not much in the way of real truth. I do not know why you started on medications but your experiences sound similar to many I have had. I never asked to have Awareness during sleep paralysis and never fathomed that anything would show up during the experience. Nonetheless I have, for years, been tormented by dark entities that would some times be there and some times not. These entities are real and they are without light. Specifically they have nothing of love or the light of God in them. It is easy to tell when they are around because one "Feels" the evil of them and their presence.

Of any advice that anyone can give you heed this: Pray to God in the name of Jesus and know that in advance of your request that he already hears you. Pray that he sends his Angels to surround and guard you and say aloud with your thoughts that you cast these entities out in the name of Jesus Christ.

If you do this and earnestly pray to him for true help and guidance then you will find your freedom. This road of travel without him is a most dangerous one that can lead to possession or worse. I have since been called to many OBE experiences and without fear now or evil encounters. But if they do test me again I know precisely what to do for God teaches that you need not fear evil for he walks with you even then if you accept him.

You can defeat the need for these drugs as well but only through God and faith in him.  God bless and protect you- M

[Ignazio]

I would also suggest being with someone with mutual trust. I think my family with there constant questions played a partial factor in the breakdown itself. For certain the hospital visit since my dad who's a pastor came at me with a cross and the name of Jesus. I saw this as a challenge looked deep into his eyes used some kind of black magic by speaking intensely into his eyes and pushing back energetically with one of my hands. He freaked out and called the cops. Anyway its a difficult time, I know certain things I was experiencing prior to this was a reality and some was confusion. I felt like I had no control and wanted it to end. With the right help and atmosphere I think I could have came out of my strange alternative state of consciousness a lot smoother than the hospitable though.

Sorry but, I can just imagine what he was thinking when you where doing that.

[Enix]

Yea it was dumb I should have just laughed it off.
I was honestly getting very frustrated from his conversations and judgments. Even though it was all from his sincere concernment. I was not in the mood and I got ticked off. See preachers love preaching but don't like being preached to.  Admittedly there's some anger from my past in being constantly judged and preached to. So when it happens to me now it just hits a wrong note.

Whats extremely hypocritical is just the fact that religious people who considers themselves so right with god - Therefore right themselves. Can speak intensely or emphatic but when someone speaks back in the same way. Its generally considered as denial (not wanting to here the truth) or the devils work. Its such an easy way to conform everything to their point of view. The fact that fundamentalist tell themselves they know god, others they know god or sing songs about god in church may validate there own personal beliefs, but they can't expect it to validate everyone else s.

What I did to my dad was no different than what he did to me. Considering I don't have respect for his religion and the fact that speaking my own personal truth or allowing frustrations to reveal themselves instead of bottling them up inside is normal and not demonic. When he used the cross against me I didn't really appreciate it so I did the offense back to him. Telling the cops I touched him and the scene in general sounded a bit crazy. Of course they spoke to him first which started the crazy commentary and my heart was racing with frustration and tension. I tried to prove my sanity with a yoga head stand to show my dexterity but falling over didn't help.



Messenger - your advice about praying to Jesus is great. The only problem is when people start to mistaken the identity of Jesus as the one only god. That's where the confusion sets in because he's no more god than anyone else. So many people think of he's something Gigantic. (Better than other peoples god) So when researching The metaphysical aspects of Jesus I would advise you to be cautious of your source because so many people have the previously stated delusion.

[SkepticBoy]

you may want to get a orgonite pendant as it raises ur frequency and gives off positive energy 

But how you know that is true? is there anyway to measure one of those orgonite pendant things?

[kurtykurt42]

It produces chi energy which is pretty hard to measure with instruments. I'm sure there is a way but for now, I'm stumped...

Hey SkepticBoy,

I'm curious to know if you really believe in any of these things? Do you really think it's possible for people to control interdimensional energy using only their thoughts? That's a pretty tough pill to swallow! 

[CFTraveler]

Valkry-


You can defeat the need for these drugs as well but only through God and faith in him.  God bless and protect you- M

Please don't practice medicine.

[Everlasting]

drugs will open up your energy field and make you a target by evil forces.

[joel1212]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52623
""anti-psychotics" the side effects are shocking

some one told me the anti-psychotics he was on may make milk dribble from his breast, come out in blotches ,and he would lose his sex drive

also I read on one uncommon side effect "unexplained death" !!!!!!!

also there's the 3rd rule were 1/3 sees an improvement 1/3 sees no change 1/3 get worse

so when you realize a placebo is 20% effective on its on then anti psychotic is only 33% effective at best!!!!!!"
get off those things!!!!!!!!!

[kurtykurt42]

I don't like those odds very much.

[Beowulf810]

The problems you are having with demon attacks or negs or what ever is not the issue, your problem is your on the meds and the only way for AP or what ever must be natural, the fact that you said you have started having lucid dreams since taking the drugs is a sign that they are a product of the anti-deppresents and of course its going to have bad results no matter what. so listen up and take this advice because ive been pretty far out in the bardo either stop the meds or stop AP you can meditate but u must make the choice it will only hurt you. If you don't Please take the advice. 

[Valkry]

The astral journeys I've been having recently are certainly not a side effect of the medication. If anything, the medication impedes that sort of activity.  Antipsychotics make APing a lot more difficult, I've found it reduces "magical" thinking.  The reason I have been having such success is because I've been feeling BETTER. When I feel better, I am able to use my abilities more fully and with more frequency. I lost interest in astral projection and mysticism with the illness, now that it is being treated, I have regained that interest, and with it, the capacity to astral travel on a regular basis.

Tiffany

[kurtykurt42]

I have found that many if not all illness and disease is caused by imbalances in our energy bodies. This can include entities / past lives / emotions / foreign energy that attaches itself to your energy body. When this happens, people can start having strange thoughts, hear voices, see things, act unpredictably, etc. Then doctors give whatever you are having a silly name or syndrome and give you a bunch of powerful medication.

The combination of having energy imbalances as well as taking medications such as anti-psychotics and anti-depressants is a bad combination and the fact that you have convinced yourself that you can't function without them it not good. Perhaps you just have to try harder.

Tonight on Coast to Coast AM: The Antidepressant Myth

Professor of psychology Irving Kirsch will discuss his startling research into antidepressants and explain how, contrary to popular belief, mental illness is not caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain.

[The Present Moment]

I have found that many if not all illness and disease is caused by imbalances in our energy bodies. This can include entities / past lives / emotions / foreign energy that attaches itself to your energy body. When this happens, people can start having strange thoughts, hear voices, see things, act unpredictably, etc. Then doctors give whatever you are having a silly name or syndrome and give you a bunch of powerful medication.

The combination of having energy imbalances as well as taking medications such as anti-psychotics and anti-depressants is a bad combination and the fact that you have convinced yourself that you can't function without them it not good. Perhaps you just have to try harder.

Tonight on Coast to Coast AM: The Antidepressant Myth

Professor of psychology Irving Kirsch will discuss his startling research into antidepressants and explain how, contrary to popular belief, mental illness is not caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain.

Do you know of any schizophrenics who have recovered by correcting energy imbalances?

[kurtykurt42]

I don't know anyone personally but I am absolutely 100% positive that their energy system is damaged. Why do you think there are so few Asian schizophrenics? It's because they all practice meditation and energy body development while Americans drink beer and eat hamburgers!

[The Present Moment]

I don't know anyone personally but I am absolutely 100% positive that their energy system is damaged. Why do you think there are so few Asian schizophrenics? It's because they all practice meditation and energy body development while Americans drink beer and eat hamburgers!

The rates of schizophrenia in Asia are not any different from the rest of the world. Surveys(2) have found a lower incidence in rural areas and developing nations.

[cpt. picard]

The rates of schizophrenia in Asia are not any different from the rest of the world. Surveys(2) have found a lower incidence in rural areas and developing nations.

Thats because, contrary to stereotypes, not ALL asians practice meditation and energy work. Im willing to bet their diet is still better overall.

[joel1212]

i agree with kurt for the most part. i dont know if this would be of any help but i not completely sure but i think carl jung purposely induced himself with skitzophrenia, idk how that turned out or if he was able to reverse it after but its worth looking at.

[Stookie]

I don't think anyone here is qualified to diagnose any medical or psychiatric problems. I'd stick with my doctor (or several doctors) and my gut.

[kurtykurt42]

I'm not interested in diagnosing medical or psychiatric problems, I'm interested in curing them. Using the technology I have been developing I would like to begin experimenting with people that are very ill and try curing them.

[Xanth]

I'm not interested in diagnosing medical or psychiatric problems, I'm interested in curing them. Using the technology I have been developing I would like to begin experimenting with people that are very ill and try curing them.

Just realize that you're treading on very seriously thin ice when you're talking about that kind of thing.
Especially with people who have no idea what it is exactly you're doing.