How can you prove that OBE isn't just some kind of dream?

[Szaxx]

well except that the Physics dimensions cannot be changed by just thinking it well change
un like the upper dimensions levels were the spirits are more capable of creating what it desire.

Are you sure?
We only fit in 3 dimensions if you are not looking. The X,Y and Z axis being three. There's a 4th, that's the in or out of phase with the normal 3.
Accessing this 4th gives rise to knowing things, an extra sense as it's generally known. This is the ESP of clairvoyance or seeing for example.
These are controlled by your thoughts and the info recieved is usually from thoughts too, even from future events.
Sometimes things are not what they seem. Early astronomy being a perfect example.

[Lionheart]

How can you prove that OBE isn't just some kind of dream?

You experience it over and over again yourself and come to your own conclusions.

At this current time, there is no way to prove it 100%. At least from the perspective of Scientific research that is.

But you don't have to prove it to the World, only yourself!   

[Xanth]

well except that the Physics dimensions cannot be changed by just thinking it well change
un like the upper dimensions levels were the spirits are more capable of creating what it desire.

Are you sure about that?
Science has already started to delve into that exact statement.

They're finding what I already know to be true, that our thoughts have direct influence upon our reality.
It might not be as "fast" acting as in certain non-physical realities, but the effect is definitely there.

Here is but one example from the National Post:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/11/sex-selective-programs-and-the-belief-that-boys-will-be-boys-stigmatizes-students-study/

[deepspace]

first i was just wondering if anyone one can prove that OBE isn't just some kind of lucid dreaming

I'd like to know if anyone can prove that our physical reality isn't some kind of lucid dream. I was just out again this morning and as usual evaluating the details of that world, comparing them to physical world. The more I study the details in the non-physical world (which is actually amazingly physical), the more convinced I am that it is no less of a "dream" than the physical world. The quality of the visuals alone is just amazing. Not only that, but it is 3 dimensional and has physical properties like weight, solidity, wetness, cold and hot. You can actually explore these through touch which I have done extensively. One is really hard pressed to say it isn't as real as the physical. I jumped off the side of building this morning after looking way down at the busy street, dozens of stories below. It was not easy to do because all my senses were telling me it was suicide. I had already concluded earlier that it was the non-physical, so just went with that, but I was still hesitated and was afraid to do it.

Sure we can all sit here and debate whether it's not real, but ask yourself the same question while your there. I do this often and then test things as much as I can, to answer that question in real time. If the places you are going are anything the ones I'm going to, I imagine you would come to the same conclusion.

Yes, it's more difficult to change things in the physical reality because it is a collective manifestation. There are also places in the non-physical that have varying degrees of "collective-ness" and are more difficult to change if you end up there. Those places are also more stable and consistent too.

[Lost soul]

Thanks to all of you for these awesome information
the more i hear about the astral world the more I get convinced that the true size of the universe is Billions of times bigger then what we see it from the three dimensions angle
it might be even big as infinity

I can imagine every single thought of every single mind would create a new separate dimensions

as of what i heard of a famous expert astral projector in the youtube
he said this is what the after life all about
live in you're own haven you create by imagining it
and some of them get Bored after spending long time in there and Decide to reincarnate again

he said no soul has ever came here to the physical world by force , every single spirit has its free choice

I hope am right in this
am interested a lot to know more about the after life and near death experiences
i am looking forward to astral project in order to meat the died loved ones i lost
   

[deepspace]

Thanks to all of you for these awesome information
the more i hear about the astral world the more I get convinced that the true size of the universe is Billions of times bigger then what we see it from the three dimensions angle
it might be even big as infinity

I don't think there is such a thing as size, space, distance, location etc. They are all manifestations. The concept of no space is something I like to meditate on.

as of what i heard of a famous expert astral projector in the youtube
he said this is what the after life all about
live in you're own haven you create by imagining it
and some of them get Bored after spending long time in there and Decide to reincarnate again

he said no soul has ever came here to the physical world by force , every single spirit has its free choice

This is also how I see it because all "realities", here or elsewhere are created, IMO. There is no "reality" other than that which is created. I actually prefer the word "manifested" because I think we are more like we are a channel to take creation and bring it forth into being. It's like making something here in the physical world. We create things by putting together the materials that exist here.

As for the physical world itself: In the words of the Matrix, "There is no spoon."

[Szaxx]

Take a few mins to think on this example.
In our 3D world we have perspective. Things seen are sometimes hidden by others blocking the view.
Now to understand that there's more actually built-in to our conciousness, we take a look at the face of Peppa Pig. Yep the pre-school cartoon character.
In reality this face doesn't look like the average pig at all. We instantly recognise the image as a pig. Look at the eye positions, these are so out of perspective it's untru. There's no way in our 3D world that we could possibly see both eyes at the same time. One would be hidden behind the nose but we readily accept the image as a complete representation of a face.
This recognition exists in the non-physical when you examine an object. You 'see' the inside and the outside completely in an instant.
It's this recognition that should ring some bells to your inherent understanding of perception.
A photograph cannot do this as it only displays a 2D image of a 3D object. We can see a 4D representation instantly in this example.
There's more like this when you look around, it's normal and taken for granted.

[Lost soul]

I don't think there is such a thing as size, space, distance, location etc. They are all manifestations. The concept of no space is something I like to meditate on.

This is also how I see it because all "realities", here or elsewhere are created, IMO. There is no "reality" other than that which is created. I actually prefer the word "manifested" because I think we are more like we are a channel to take creation and bring it forth into being. It's like making something here in the physical world. We create things by putting together the materials that exist here.

As for the physical world itself: In the words of the Matrix, "There is no spoon."

it is confusing when it goes about how the universe existed from the very beginning
is it by an intelligence god our by the work of many spirits working together our something else
i hope i well find out when i start to astral project

[Lost soul]

Take a few mins to think on this example.
In our 3D world we have perspective. Things seen are sometimes hidden by others blocking the view.
Now to understand that there's more actually built-in to our conciousness, we take a look at the face of Peppa Pig. Yep the pre-school cartoon character.
In reality this face doesn't look like the average pig at all. We instantly recognise the image as a pig. Look at the eye positions, these are so out of perspective it's untru. There's no way in our 3D world that we could possibly see both eyes at the same time. One would be hidden behind the nose but we readily accept the image as a complete representation of a face.
This recognition exists in the non-physical when you examine an object. You 'see' the inside and the outside completely in an instant.
It's this recognition that should ring some bells to your inherent understanding of perception.
A photograph cannot do this as it only displays a 2D image of a 3D object. We can see a 4D representation instantly in this example.
There's more like this when you look around, it's normal and taken for granted.

I am really excited to see the universe from the 5 Dimensions angle