I just cannot do it (need help)

[monstercable]

Ive been trying to astral project for 5 months, i don't get the vibrations or a sinking feeling or see threw closed eyes or here sounds.

Ive tried hemi-sync (waste of money) I've tried bi-neural beats and nothings working.


So i read that someone who is already astral projecting can pull me out, can any of you do this for me tonight. I really want to check out other worlds, And it would be nice to have a tour guide.

[light487]

Maybe you are trying too hard... maybe you are trying to concentrate on the techniques too much and getting caught up in that. Have you read Frank's stuff at all? There's a great page here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

Here's the relevant excerpt that I am referring to:

The key to Phasing is to just let the experience flow. You need to allow yourself to become it, as opposed to trying to go to it, or point to it, with some kind of "method". Just lay back and simply become it. At which point people usually say, "Yeah, but Frank it's okay for you but when I close my eyes all I see is blackness. "Well, that is all I see at first!"

I think often that people are too hasty to discount these initial stages, and they just go off on some method.

When I close my eyes all I see is blackness. But I think the essential difference between me and many beginners is when they close their eyes they are not really noticing. And that's another key to it... that of noticing self. I think people become too wrapped up in methods and techniques, and it prevents them from really noticing themselves.

Okay, so as I say, when I close my eyes all I see is blackness, which is normal. I'll wriggle around a bit to get comfortable, maybe my knee is itching and my hair is tickling my ear or something. So I'll sort all that out and just concentrate on breathing gently for 5 minutes or so. Now, because I am noticing as opposed to avidly trying to perfect and follow some technique or method, in the traditional sense, my full attention is taken by the simple act of noticing.

People often tell me that they keep trying and they are saying about how they are concentrating upon holding their awareness outside of themselves, and at the same time they are concentrating on "raising energy" and doing everything correctly, and whatever... but nothing is happening. That's right, because all their attention is fixated elsewhere, whereas all my attention is fixated on noticing.

[Xanth]

Lemme ask, Monster... how's your ability to meditate?

[monstercable]

Lemme ask, Monster... how's your ability to meditate?

Honestly i cant grasp the concept, it means different things for different people but if you mean completely emptying my mind i cant do it, if you mean concentrating on 1 thing in my mind i can do that but not for longer then an hour.

[NoY]

try this for a quiet mind

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/silent_mind-t34304.0.html

:NoY:

[Xanth]

Honestly i cant grasp the concept, it means different things for different people but if you mean completely emptying my mind i cant do it, if you mean concentrating on 1 thing in my mind i can do that but not for longer then an hour.

Essentially, the "act" of meditating is the same.  That's to quiet your mind of what I call "Mind interruptions" and experience just your consciousness. 
Now, HOW you go about doing it... there are many different ways.  Thousands even. 

"Completely emptying your mind" is the same as "concentrating on one thing".  It's focusing your mind down to a single thread and holding it there.

That's where you should begin. 

If you need help, I've got some posts on my website that I think can assist you.  Lemme know and I'll forward them to you. 

[Stookie_]

"Completely emptying your mind" is the same as "concentrating on one thing".

I disagree. One is existing in the space between thoughts, the other is focusing on one thing so intently that it's all that exists, you merge with it. Steiner called it a "living thought".

[Xanth]

I see it entirely as semantics and metaphors. 

[monstercable]

Thanks for the fast response, yea i might need that link too.

BTW i think i was having the vibrations if its the tingly feeling you get in your legs when you stay still too long.

[CFTraveler]

No, that's just the feeling of impending numbness.  If you're feeling this you're not deep enough.

[light487]

Yer.. that's the state I tend to be able to get to quite readily.. one thing I notice is that as my awareness grows wider, I feel myself "falling" and I bring myself out of that.. not because of the fear of falling.. just that my mind focuses somewhere else and then I lose that sensation and I am back to being in Focus 10. It's like I am teetering on the edge of Focus 10 and Focus 12.. and just as I am about to slip into Focus 12, I "accidentally" cause myself to return to Focus 10. Going through the Gateway CDs now, so I am hoping there is a technique in there to get over this little hurdle.

[Astr4l]

ryan i will be waiting for you 2 pull me out tonight around 3 am eastern 

[Xanth]

ryan i will be waiting for you 2 pull me out tonight around 3 am eastern 

ROFL... I'm no master of this stuff.  I'll be lucky if *I* get out! 

At 3am EST... I'll most likely be vastly unconscious! 

[Tim R]

Is it actually possible to pull someone out of his body?

[Xanth]

Is it actually possible to pull someone out of his body?

Dunno.  Never tried.
I've heard some stories of people doing it. 

[SirMike]

Hmm, well first off if you could pull someone out of their body I think a lot of people
would be having black outs..even if you do manage to pull someone out of their body,
wont they just snap back in..because they are so aware of whats happening to them -_-?

We have to silence our mind before we can even achieve the astral.. or "empty" it, what ever you prefer

[light487]

I don't see how being pulled out would be of benefit anyway... it doesn't really help you to repeat the experience.. doesn't help you understand the mechanisms needed etc.. just a short-cut to a "one off" experience.. Like if you go on a airplane.. you can fly to your destination but you don't learn how to fly the plane yourself.. you're just a passenger.

[Xanth]

I don't see how being pulled out would be of benefit anyway... it doesn't really help you to repeat the experience.. doesn't help you understand the mechanisms needed etc.. just a short-cut to a "one off" experience.. Like if you go on a airplane.. you can fly to your destination but you don't learn how to fly the plane yourself.. you're just a passenger.

^ good observation. 

It's kind of like the "drug" approach.  It might launch you into the non-physical, but then what?  It's not like you've learned how to get there yourself. 

[monstercable]

Well, thanks for the help that was given me. Im still unable but i will keep trying. Im on a mission to speak to god, or gods/ i believe there has to be something much deeper then praying and i want to see if i can get to it. Maybe map out the astral planes and ask for investment advice on the way. I feel like im very close so ill keep you all in the loop.

[light487]

Yup.. best thing is to just keep practising.. enjoy what you do have and allow things to develop naturally. Just because you're not getting AP or OBE doesn't mean you can't enjoy the other things about the experience like expanded awareness, weightlessness, 3D-ness of sounds and other sensations and general peace/calm/serenity. OBE/AP may be your ultimate goal but try to have fun with it until you get there.. it's not about the destination so much as the journey to get there.