I want to die

[Tisha]

oooh yeah you asked other questions.  A lot of them can be answered, in general by the following:

Have you read Robert Monroe's book, Ultimate Journey?   It will answer a lot of your questions.  During his OBE experience he had met several people who were recently deceased from the Earth.  All very unique.

Frank has also had occasion to witness several individuals locked in their eternal "loops."  He's written about some already . . . perhaps some night soon, when Frank has nothing better to do, he can start a NEW post titled "Postcards from the Lower Realms" or something like that.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_big.gif" border=0>

About the "lower" realms:  "Lower" does not mean evil.   That's just Christian theology clouding the matter.  Even New-Agers drag the good/evil dichotomy with them into their so-called "new" way of thinking about things.  But to REALLY get beyond your indoctrination you have to realize that  "Lower" and "higher" are hypothetical constructs.  In the Universe, there is no up or down.  

(By the way, the Lower Realms were widely acknowledged in many ancient religions as rather dank, depressing cold spaces, but they were not evil.  Everyone went there before being reborn.)

As for the Truth, we'll probably have to visit There ourselves to know for sure!

So how do people in the Astral get out of their unending loops of psychic activity?  As Frank mentioned, they are RESCUED by kind souls who are more with-it than we are.   Many of us have probably been rescued at some time or another.

My boyfriend says he wants to die having an orgasm.  I for one would not appreciate this at ALL, but he likes the idea of spending eternity that way.  But even THAT would get freaky after awhile, don't you think?  I wouldn't want to be that way.  Rather I want to be like the ancient sorcerers:  walking straight into the Astral, wide awake, totally aware and in control. No pain, no suffering caused by illness or injury. That is how the sorcerers "cheat death."  They would never do it by taking their own lives.

tisha
PS:  I would promise to ask my Guide about what happens to suicide victims the next time I OBE . . . but I can't make that promise.  I've turned the lesson plan completely over to him/her, and she/he decides what to tell me.  But I will share whatever I remember with the Forum.

[Patty]

Hi Comus,

What I was 'missing' when I was depressed, was my child. I felt like I had lost a limb, (or a major internal organ) only no one could see it. I always thought that at least if people could see what it was that I had lost, (like if it had been a limb), that they would understand why I couldn't function. It sounds like you don't find that to be the case, that what is missing in your life is plain to see and that people still aren't compassionate or helpful.

You are helping me understand, and I wanted to say thank you. Also, here is another ((((hug)))).

Some therapists are spiritually trained. I think (can someone verify this or correct me?) that Jungian psychologists/therapists tend to help patients look for spiritual bases for their concerns.  In terms of the medications, Tisha knows more than I do from her family history and her advice sounds good. I would guess that if you keep those specifics that you don't wish to share, out of the picture, no one is going to think anything at all except to listen to your wish for medical help.

I don't know where in Canada you are - but here is a page with some contact info on Jungian psychologists (again, someone please straighten me out if I've got my information wrong, I think jungian analysts are trained to look at things from a spiritual perspective)

http://www.eskimo.com/~dcs/faq.html

I also volunteer with hospice. We firmly believe that pain is not necessary during end-of-life situations, like the 75 year old man you used as an example.  We help by providing pain killers so he could have a fuller physical life until his body is truly done living. I personally believe that the decision to accept help to overcome pain can be a spiritual decision ---- it is no small potatoes to reach out for help. Perhaps that is the reason for pain, it gives us an opportunity to accept help from others. I don't know.

Finally - with regards to what existence is like while NOT on the physical plane. I am not terribly experienced, but from my limited experience I have developed great appreciation for the STABILITY and PREDICTABILITY of the physical plane. It is nice that it is so concrete. The physical world can really suck, but at least you have an idea of what to expect. I tend to think this is a place where we develop our consciousness into a form that can exist in the fluidity of non-physicality. Like, our physical construction houses our consciousness until it is developed enough to exist without a physical housing.  

This is all so speculative. I don't really know. All I know is that it is really hard to hold things together when I am 'out.' Things start slipping all over the place and I get confused pretty fast.

Keep us posted.

love,

patty

Patty

[weagle]

I read some astral projection books if you read projection of the astral body by sylvan muldoon (check out your local library they may have it) he stated what happens the moment one dies, he was talking about one guy he observed while in his astral body who was addicted to narcotics/alcohol and his life was upside down, he detailed described his aura was brown (which was bad) what happened when he was dying and being resusitated he was in his astral body then he went to grab his booze on the side which he couldn't then woke up then when he finally died he was in a really bad state and went franticly into oblivion once out.  If you can ignore how you feel and think and say to yourself those are not my thoughts and feelings, I know there is a God that created me that loves me and cares for me because he created me and I'm just a pilgrim here on earth then obviously there is no reason how bad things get to ever contemplate suicide, even love your enemies even though they look like they did you wrong visualize yourself hugging them and saying you forgive them.  There is some passive countermeasures you can try aromatherapy is amazing, try getting some helichrysum thats for claryfing, panic disorders, loniliness,anti-depressent, there are others ones that puts peace  one mentioned in robert's book is marjoram.   Read some psychology books dr. joseph murphy is good one power of your subconscious mind will give you reason enough not to even waste your time thinking about suicide or any negative thought (ie fear/anger etc..) and to only think about your desires and what you want to accomplish here on earth.

[alpha]

My best advice,take a break from everything.As long as it takes.If its possible.Your life depends on it.You must find yourself again.Stick around here,you will find your answers.If you keep searching.I think most of them are right here on this thread.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_big.gif" border=0>

You have to start treating yourself better.Your thoughts have so much to do with how you feel.I cant say this enough.When you start loving yourself again.And are able to forgive yourself for all those things you think  were your fault.You will feel much better.But not complete.

You than have to start with the ones who have hurt you the most.Learn to see them for who they really are.They were suffering than and prob. still have not changed much.When you can see that clearly.And you are able to forgive them.For all the things that they arent.When you do this you will have your wings again.


See everybody is being kicked around in this world.Upside,downside,sideways and backwards,and some.Even the people who seem happy.Alot of them are just good actors.Most  people are in  constant emotional pain.This is why all the hate.Am I over exaggerating?If so it isnt really by much.I know what I feel when I go into the real world.What alot of them dont know is most of those kicks are coming from themselves.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_sad.gif" border=0>]

But now you know that.And you have to start chipping away at that wall around yourself.Be very patient.It took you awhile to put it up.And I think its alot harder to tear it down.

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[Sandman]

I can really relate. There's not a day goes by that I don't think about eating my 38 and I've had (only 2) OBE's. I agree that killing yourself isn't the answer or I would have done it years ago. In those years I've had days when I was really glad that I didn't do it, but looking back, the bad far outweigh the good.

But I really think that's all beside the point of it all. If you're going to just end it then what was the point in showing up in the first place? I like to say "if life was easy, everyone would be doing it". LOL

My Daughter (28yrs) is bi-polar and it has fallen to me, being the only person she will trust, to talk her down from her delusions. This has really taken it's tole on my own grasp of reality lately. She's convinced that she can read minds and it's her responsibility to 'save' mankind (just to give you a taste of what it's like). She comes home from work every day with a new scenario that she has cooked up from bits of overheard conversations and 'voices' that tell her what she should do. She's been under a Dr's care since 1997 and is taking more meds than I can believe. They seem to help a little but without my constant counceling, she goes off the deep end and does a complete shut down. It's really a heart-breaker to see your own Daughter going through something like this. I feel so helpless most of the time.

I  tell you this just to give you a sense of where I'm coming from when I say I think about it every day. But having had those two OBE's has taught me that when you go over, you remain EXACTLY who you are here. In my case my astral self was even wearing my watch.

That being true, I can tell you that I would be in HELL if I killed myself, because I would want desparately to help my Daughter and would be unable to do so.

So I stay and take consolation in the fact that even the bad things in life eventually end on their own. Hang in there. If I can do it you can too.

Sandy

[Adrian]

Greetings Comus,

I hope you are feeling a bit better after all of the excellent responses you have received here.

I just would like to add that facing adversity in the material world will assist you to grow spiritually, and which growth you will take with you to the spirit worlds in due course in accordance with immutable natural, universal laws.

I would very seriously suggest that you download the free Silver Birch and Afterlife E-Books we have here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/file_library.asp?showmethecat=14

You can also read the excellent words of Silver Birch online here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/portal_articles.asp?catid=7&cattitle=Spirit

Please keep thinking ahead and positively, and look upon these times as a great opportunity and challenge to be faced happily and positively.

With kind regards,

Adrian.

[steveb]

Greetings all,

Comus, I not know where the dumb bit come from, I'm 40 years old and your post reads more articulate and grammatically correct than most of mine.

regards  Steve

[Frank]

Comus, the lower Astral planes generally reflect what you see on the Physical. In other words, you come across all kinds of good, bad, and everything inbetween.

When you speak of types of death, understand that it is not so much the actual death, or the cause of death that is important; but the emotional baggage or load the Spirit is carrying and/or releasing when the physical body expires.

Someone posed a question relating to this a short while ago: about what is the difference between an older person being kept alive on a machine; where that person agrees with the doctors that it's time to pull the plug; and a youngster, in a desperately screwed emotional state, who takes their own life. Because, technically, they are both "suicide" cases. To which I entirely agree.

However, the stark difference between the two circumstances becomes apparent when you consider the respective emotional load. And it's the emotional load that makes all the difference when it comes to assessing the likely route that person will take, when making the transition to the Astral upon physical-body death.

Now, when I say "Spirit" I'm not talking about some fuzzy mystical concept. Your Spirit consists of your collective sense of conscious awareness. That is to say, all your thoughts, memories, feelings, emotions, experiences, etc. all of which are contained in your Spirit body.

People often think that their thought processes are products of the workings of the physical brain. But such is not the case at all. The brain merely acts as an interface and is the "central processing unit" that controls the workings of the physical body.

Your Spirit body is held in alignment with your physical body by biomagnetic attraction and interfaces through multiple energy centres. And, as I say, it is where your collective sense of conscious awareness actually resides.

Which is why, if you place the physical body in a position where it will no-longer function, all that happens is your surroundings change. But the You of you, remains *exactly* the same.

This phenomenon is demonstrated in another way when projecting within the Astral. When you do so, you don't suddenly develop some super sense of Astral conscious awareness, fully primed and geared for Astral use. Nope, the collective sense of conscious awareness you take with you to the Astral is exactly the same as you have with you on the physical.

Here lies the *major* stumbling block:

One of the trickiest things to accomplish, while on the Astral, is to learn to remain emotionally closed. The reason this is absolutely necessary is because you cannot make any kind of real progress unless you learn to do so. Understand that what we call "thought" is, in fact, a primary energy and how we "think" creates our basic circumstances.

This is as true on the Physical, as it is on the Astral. However, on the Physical, our physical bodies buffer our thoughts to a high degree. In other words, you can think about getting a beer from the fridge until the cows come home; but unless you actually get up off the couch, go to the kitchen and get one, you'll never get that beer.

On the Astral, merely think about having a beer, stir in a little emotion and, hey presto, you instantly find yourself in a pub, club (or wherever) having a cool beer. (And relishing it the same as you would on summers evening after a scorching hot day.)

You see, on the Astral, you can manifest anything and everything with your thoughts. Become fearful, for example, and *instantly* you will find yourself slap-bang in the middle of some fearful circumstance. For any release of emotion, when on the Astral, instantly creates your surroundings in glorious 3D Technicolour.

The BIG danger here, is that these emotion-fuelled circumstances that surround you on the Astral, look as "real" to you as any circumstance would look on the Physical. Which is why it is ever so easy to get stuck in an emotion-fuelled loop or spiral.

People get caught in all kinds of loops while sleeping and dreaming on the Physical, or when projecting to the Astral. This is something I have done many, many times in the past when I was learning the basics. But such loops are easily broken by physical-body demands, like, hearing the alarm clock, or needing to go to the toilet. Or, if I would get caught in a really scary loop, my protective sense of conscious awareness would initiate a forced awakening back to the Physical.

However, without a physical body, no such breaks can possibly occur.

It is true to say (and one of the posters to this thread mentioned about it) as the Physical carcass dies, the Spirit can be met by friends, relatives, guides or other helpers, waiting on the Astral to assist them with the transition from Physical to Astral. Yes, this is absolutely true.

HOWEVER......

What good this does, all depends on the emotional load the Spirit is carrying and/or releasing at the time of death. Understand, it is *easily* possible to release a level of emotion to the extent where you block out the true-Astral completely.

In other words, you may well have other Astral residents, such as your Spirit Guide, around you trying to help. But you won't be able to see or hear them. As you will be totally engrossed in your own emotional interplay.

I come across Astral residents like this all the time. They can be engaged in some repetitive task, or just aimlessly walking about, and when you look into their eyes all you see is that (by now) familiar glazed expression.

In fact, I very much doubt these people even realise their physical body has passed away. And that is the challenge these higher beings have. It's like you were in a coma. No-one can say when you will come out of it. All they can do is play your favourite music, make you smell your favourite food, have your wife hold your hand and talk to you softly, etc., etc. In the hope that deep within you, something they do that is familiar to you will trigger an awakening.

You were rescued on the Astral alright. Where do you think that compassion comes from. Trace it back to its source and you will find whoever it was that saved you. I think you owe them a beer.

As I say, best of luck.

Yours,
Frank

[Patty]

Hi Comus,

I am really glad to hear that you are having a better day today.

Just wanted to let you know.

Patty

[Mobius]

G,day Comus

To turn you way of thinking around, you need to think the opposite of what you are writing & tell yourself, regardless of what people around me say, I'm worth it, I'm competent, I can do anything I focus my energy on.

If people around you tell you that you are incompetent, useless, inept, worthless & you give credence to those words or somehow think their words & thoughts have more value than your own, that is exactly what you will believe of yourself. What authority or right do they have, that they somehow know the real you & can tell you what you are, when you know deep inside they are wrong. I'm just talking about basic social interactions here, not taking it to extremes e.g. Killing someone for no reason & saying you are right in doing so, because that is what you believe is right.

Obviously (and you would allready know this I feel) you have to operate within the boundaries of the law.

It's amazing how many things we take for granted in life & how we compare ourselves to others, or measure our success in terms of material possessions, qualifications or social standing. Whether you believe it or not, you are in the top 10% of all the people on this planet, as far as conditions of life goes. I assume you have shelter, protection from the weather, clean drinking water, sewerage, access to food, information etc. Then you come to what the majority of people on this planet would consider luxury goods ; a bed, free or cheap medical help, t.v, a computer, cars etc. all of which I assume you have had experience with.

If we plucked you out of Canada & placed you amongst some peoples in Africa, India, some parts of Asia & South America, they would think you were some sort of unatainable millionaire type person, who has experiences & possessions beyond their wildest dreams. So thank the Gods of good fortune that you have been placed where you are, because as bad as you think things are, there are literally millions who would trade your life for theirs in a nanosecond.

Sooooo, to identify where you are going wrong or what you need to learn, you need to translate your thoughts e.g. I am useless at maths, science, english, talking to people, driving, music, work, wiping my butt ; Becomes I need to learn or read more on maths, science, english, talking to people, driving, wiping my butt etc. So you type those words into a search engine or go to a library & gather some more info on areas you feel you are lacking in.

Also, try to be happy & positive as much as possible, this will help your brain work more efficiently, get hold of some comedies or anything that makes you laugh, & laugh recklessly, laugh at the world, yourself, your situation, you would be surprised at how well it works.

Take care mate, all the best, good luck & good journeys, we are all cheering for you.

Mobius

[alpha]

Comus,
If they were treating you that badly.Than how could they be so happy?Deep down inside,you know you did not do anything to deserve what you got.If you are blaming yourself,or them.You got to start reversing all those thoughts when they come.

Some people just have been hurt so many times.They cannot feel it anymore.Inside their true self is screaming for their life.Thats what I call dead to the world.And you are definetely not dead.Not even close.In that sense.

I still think you could be empathic.The only way your reallly going to find out.Is if you start to feel better.Alot better,than you will be able to tell quite easily.

Look how many people have come to help you.Complete strangers,that care more about you.Than you do about yourself right now.But your true self cares.Obviously,why you posted this message.

Dont forget this thread,Your thread.This is a reminder to ya.Of the way people really are.

All people are the same.Most of them are  just hiding because they are tired of being hurt.I know its very hard for you to see things this way.

Try not to sit around and mope.There must be some things you enjoy to do.Or use too,You dont need anyone else to have fun.

Go out and watch a movie with yourself.Take a long drive.I use to do this all the time when I was feeling bad.It was like my only freedom.Try to get lost,it can be quite fun.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Weightlifiting is very good.Kick your own butt in the gym.You will feel great afterwards.

Go for a walk,run till you cant run anymore.Ride a bike,get yourself a fishing pole and go to pleasant spot.

You can think of some other things im sure.
                                                                                                 Lator,ALPHA











                                                                                       









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[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by Comus:


Frank: We experience both joy and sadness in the Physical. Isn't that the same in the Astral? Why are they trapped in that particular mental state right before death? Do they break out of the loop when their mood changes from bad to good? Like they don in the Physical? Or there's no room for "mood change" in the Astral? If that's how it works then it's quite unfair to those unhappy people who died in accidents. When they die they'll be trapped in lower realms.

There have been times in the past when I felt sad, and there were the times when I felt joyous. However, nowadays, apart from the odd tinge of frustration and the occasional mild annoyance I manage to keep myself emotionally closed much of the time. Which is the same condition that you have to maintain if you are to make any real kind of sense of the Astral realms.

Problem is, you can only really "experience" emotions on the Physical. In the sense that a person might get angry, for example. If they are sensible, they will sit back in a comfy chair, relax and listen to some soothing music perhaps. As a result, an hour or so later, their mood changes and they could well find themselves brushing off the reason for their anger while laughing thinking of how petty they were, or whatever.

On the Astral, whatever emotional mix you release *instantly* and *literally* becomes your reality. In other words, there is no going to a quiet room to relax until the angry mood subsides (i.e. the emotional energy dissipates).

Say you released some fear (very common emotion to release on the Astral) you will instantly find yourself in fearful circumstances that will be as fearful to you, at the same level as you expected to be fearful. This is simply due to the fact that it is *your* release of emotion that is fuelling it.

What typically happens next, is the person gets even more fearful. Which naturally releases more emotional fuel; so the fearful circumstances get more intense; so they get more fearful; so the fearful circumstances get more intense; so they get more fearful; so the fearful circumstances get more..........

And there you have it, an ever worsening emotional spiral.

On the Physical, you can readily get out of this. Due to the fact the nightmare will increase to the point where the protective sense of conscious awareness will initiate a forced awakening back to the Physical. On the Astral, however, without a physical body, no such forced awakening is possible. In other words, the nightmare continues getting worse and there is nothing you can do about it.

That is again why it would be daft of you to dispose of your physical body at your current level of development. Keeping your physical body is basically the only real chance you have of putting things right.

Having a physical body means you can project to the Astral, seek out your guides, find out your history AND do it safely. Because whatever it is you face, no matter how horrid or ghastly, ultimately it cannot harm you. Because you can always zip back to the Physical in an instant.

When I was learning the ground rules, I used to do this all the time. I'd naturally release a little fear and, try as I might, I couldn't close it off. First there were two of them, now there's a hundred and they are all chasing me holding weapons. Then I think I'm trapped and instantly I am surrounded. Aaagh I lost it again, time to wave bye-bye and exit.

Happened to me *so* many times where having a physical body came in mighty handy. Because it allows you to project to the Astral, screw up completely, and come back. Then you can think it over in the physical and try again.

Okay, so you again might again screw up (badly). But you can always come back, think it over, and try again. Maybe on the tenth time you project, you screw up a little less. By the fiftieth time your really starting to make good progress. By the hundreth time you managed to make contact and find out some of your history.

I suspect you have had little previous Physical experience, and the experiences you had, have not been all that happy. The thought strikes me you may have suffered some awful death, at a young age (around 6 to 8 years of age, say) in a near past physical life. Maybe even your previous one as the legacy is so strong.

But it's up to you now, to get your curiosity socks on and find out.    

Yours,
Frank  

[Gandalf]

> read some astral projection books if you read projection of the astral body >by sylvan muldoon (check out your local library they may have it) he stated >what happens the moment one dies, he was talking about one guy he >observed while in his astral body who was addicted to narcotics/alcohol >and his life was upside down, he detailed described his aura was brown >(which was bad) what happened when he was dying and being resusitated >he was in his astral body then he went to grab his booze on the side >which he couldn't then woke up then when he finally died he was in a >really bad state and went franticly into oblivion once out.
>Weagle

What, you mean he ceased to exist? I find that unlikely.

Douglas

[James S]

Hi Comus,

I'm getting in to this topic fairly late, but thought I'd throw a few ideas at you.
I can't really comment much on the spiritual/astral side of suicide, just don't know enough about it. What I do know something about though is depression.
I went through it at the same time as going through a divorce (funnily enough the depression came first).

The line I want to take here is purely a medical one, hopefully to help give you a bit of insight here. Both Patty and Tisha have mentioned anti-depressants. I too can vouch for their effectiveness. There used to be (and to a degree still is) a real stigma about anti-depressants. This is simply because the general public don't really know what the current generation of medicines are, or what they do. You mention anti-depressant to someone and generally they think you're some raving nut who's had to go on prozac to mellow out. Utter crap!!

Medical science has well and truly proven that depression is not a "state of mind" but a "state of brain", more correctly a state of brain chemistry. Seratonin and Noradrenalin are two neurotransmitters that assist in the passing of signals from neuron to neuron. If these chemical transmitters are lacking, the brain doesn't work properly. You are quite literally not able to cope with things. Doctors are much more relaxed about prescribing anti-depressants now than they used to be. There is a wide variety neurotransmitter combinations and strengths, to take into account our different physiologies.

I can relate to your feelings of social ineptness. I hated school because I was generally the odd one out, and got picked on a lot. After school I was lucky though and fell in with a church youth group who were very accepting of who you were, but I still have a lot of social phobias. I absolutely hate crowds, and aviod shopping centres around christmas like the plague. This dislike of crowds has tended to make me a bit of a loner, and tend to put me at odds with a lot of people, even close friends.

A lot of this is not because you or I are in any ways dumb. I'm not saying this to boast at all but I have a consistently tested IQ of around 132. I can almost guarentee that you also have a high IQ. As does another good friend of mine who also suffered depression. Dumb people generally don't get depressed because they don't think about things enough to get depressed. It's more the way we look at things that sets us apart from others, and can tend to make us outcasts. When I look at the way a lot of people are these days I tend to think this is a good thing that I'm different (yes I do tend to be a bit cynical).

Anyway, please don't be afraid to seriously investigate anti-depressants. They're less of a temporary solution than you think! What they will do for you is level out your emotions, and enable you to get a grasp on things. This then becomes a cascade reaction. The more you get a grasp on things, the better things get. You will tend to look at things more objectivly, because your emotions are stable, and start seeing solutions where you couldn't before.

This ain't textbook stuff - I've lived through this, just as others like Patty and Tisha have. You eventually, slowly  take yourself off A-Ds because you feel stronger and more confident than before. I developed some real spiritual talents while I was on A-Ds probably because my brain was functioning much more effectively.

Well that about concludes my drug-pushing for today
Seriously though, if you are getting bummed out with depression, don't put up with it. It can be fixed, and fixing that will lead to fixing a whole lot of other stuff in your life. You can make all the lifestyle changes you want, but if you're not able to change your perspective, you're only curing the symptoms, not the cause.

Good things to you.

James S
(Fate amenable to change)

[Stillwater]

Kind of you to add some words of encouragement while you... insert an advertisement... into a nine-year-old thread...

[Volgerle]

Well, yeah, it is sad. 
What makes me wonder about these forum-spamming people is the fact why don't they realise that no one, absolutely no one will be interested in the gibberish advertisement stuff they add here, it is just annoying and nothing else. If it is not disinterest in the added links and ads it is annoyance that keeps one from clicking on or reading it. Either way, it is a completely futile action. Of course, registered today - do you have no interesting hobbies, alicevision?

[Xanth]

And it gets cleaned up... relatively quickly.

Hopefully we'll have some new moderators come on board who can assist in this... hopefully getting it cleaned up even more quickly. 

[Timandra]

Hopefully we'll have some new moderators come on board who can assist in this... hopefully getting it cleaned up even more quickly.   

That's a good idea.