I had another Lucid dream to OBE!

[Quiet_Storm]

any thoughts people?

[shaman]

It seems that from the lucid dream you escaped the dream realm and started to wake up and be in a deep transe from where you AP. So that was not completely from LD in that sens that the dream image dissapeared. Then you were in the dark, but did you feel your body at all, or were in a complete void? with no perception of your body at all? I never have to open my astral eyes but rather to focuse on seeing things while OBEing (with my physical eyes closed). So for me at last I dont need to open my astral eyes, jut I WANT to see and that what make me see, even if what I see is not clear with a lot of gray. It is not easy to stay in the astral like that for long, it turns easilty into a dream or one easily wakes up. I guess practice and more practice will help. To travel in the real time zone is fine, since then you can verify things later to make sure you were not dreaming you were actually where your AP travel took you. For example you could check if what you saw from your window was there (a car, a person, etc..). From my short experience of volontary OBE and longer experience of non volontary and lucid dream, it is a matter of experience and more experience/practice that will lead you to what you want. You have to affirm what you want when you are in AP and it should work.

[Quiet_Storm]

I had another Lucid dream to OBE!

This one was strange.

I was dreaming, and all of a sudden I heard a knock. It wasnt a knock on my door, it wasn't a knock on the physical. I dont know where the knock came from, but I did hear it. This sound made me aware and I woke up and I saw the blackness under my closed eyelids.

I decided to see if I can project out of my body so I stood up, and seperated from physical body. At the same time I did this I opened my Astral eyes. Opening my astral eyes made my physical eyes open slightly. So, I had like an astral screen under my physical eyelids, and at the bottom my eyelids were a little open so I saw light peering through. It was weird, and hard to describe also.

I found myself in my room for like 1 second, (my perception was a little hazy) and... I was thinking about traveling through my window, but I didnt want to just yet, but since I was thinking about it, I was still drifting into the window like some unknown force was pulling me.

I was going through the window and..... I saw what REALLY is outside in the physical! Meaning that it wasn't just some unknown landscape, I was actually traveling outside!

But just as I almost finished going through the window.... since my physical eyelids were still a little bit open, I freaking woke up and foud myself back in my body!

So, I have a couple questions....

1. Did I have to open my astral eyes? I noticed that as I was seperating from my body, I still saw black, and then I thought that I had to just open my astral eyes, but as you know that had also opened my physical eyes a little bit. If I project, and all I see is black, how can I bring visual perception? Can I just will it or demand it and it will come?

2. What can I do to stay out of body longer? I have never traveled into the Astral Plane, only the Real Time zone, with some fluctuations (whatever you call it). I always find that after a short time of seperating, everything turns gray, then to black, and then I am in my body again. I hate this! I want it to last longer!