After Projecting...Then What??

[Mydral]

Hey there the voice of silence, just out of curiosity are you saying you became more of a christian after projecting? I don't think I have ever heard of anyone who is into the new age and/or projecting thing validate that christ is god and so forth. Or are you referring to a "christ consciousness"? Please expand.

Ok I have read his response before I posted this but here is what I think to it.
What he describes as God, Christ, Angels others describe differently but its the same thing. New Age also believes in some sort of spirits, energy, etc. Thats also God, its also Allah, and whatever other things there are.
Afterall every APer will experience the same thing, its just how he perceives it. Did you notice how the Angels wings only appeared after he asked the Angel for them? That means that for a New Age believer or atheists that the beeing that they would have infront of them might just be pure light, but its still the same thing.
Hopefully you see where I am getting it.

Btw no offense to anyone with this, I know that some people are very touchy on this subject.

[catmeow]

Firstly, it's just a theory, I don't know if it's true.

By symbolic I don't mean that we go round seeing symbols such as hieroglyphs.  What I mean though is that several astral travellers might look at the same object, but each person might "see" something different.  So in the group NDE experience I quoted from, one person saw a Buddha, another saw an angel and the third saw his late father.  But they each got the same impression or "message" from what they saw.  So in a sense they each experienced the same thing, although their visual experiences were different.

Personally, I can't say whether I have experienced this or not because It's very hard to tell!  I do see things which vary from how they are in the physical world, and one interpretation of this is "reality fluctuations", but another is that I see the "meaning" of an object rather than its physical appearance.   So another example would be that one person might see a wooden door, another a metal gate and a third might see an open archway!  A weird concept I admit!

The only way to test this is to have a shared experience with someone and to compare notes.  I did this once with my mother and our experiences tallied precisely, so on that occasion we perceived exactly the same things (in the astral). As far as I can tell, there was no symbology involved.  That's why I'm tentative about it.

But it's an interesting theory, and it would explain why so many people see things in the RTZ which differ from physical reality, and it would explain why many NDE'rs appear to meet Jesus.  They might not actually be meeting Jesus, rather they encounter a divine being which they interpret as Jesus.

I'm not sure if I've made myself any clearer, but my intention is just to share a few ideas and see what people think! 

Off-Topic:

Regarding the old occult traditions, a lot of this is baloney, but behind the baloney runs a vein of truth.  So if you dig out J H Brennan's book you'll find some gems of information.  He has a tecnique for astral travel called "building the body of light" which I haven't seen anywhere on these boards or in any literature other than western occult tradition.  A guy called Ophiel describes the same technique in the "Art and Practice of Astral Projection".  It's worth taking a look at these books if you have time:

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Practice-Astral-Projection-Ophiel/dp/0877282463/sr=1-2/qid=1160680532

[Nay]

Ah.. thank you for explaining that for me again!  It basically boils down to our personal perceptions and beliefs.

No offense.. but I believe I'm done reading books on other people's experiences.  Well, except for book like the ones Brian Weiss writes.   I think sticking to my own theories and experiences is going to get me further down my path.  I did way too much reading on what other people thought I needed to be experiencing to only have it mess up what I had... it was driving me nuts.  I'm finally getting back what I had and I'm not about to mess that up again. 

[catmeow]

No offense taken!  lol

[Zante]

I don't want to get too much into religion and belief systems but let's just say that during my first conscious experience of an OOBE that I was a christian fundamentalist and sincerely believed that everything had gone to shite.

Hrm, I'll be talking about this anyway. I've had a vision of Christ standing on top of a mountain whilst smiling and waving down to me and I've had a vision of flying into the eye of Buddha although it took some time to figure out what that one meant.

The reason I'm still interested in astral experiences is because when I don't have them for a long period of time I begin to doubt myself. After I have another RTZ OOBE though, my validation is solid for about another 3-4 months. I live in London and it's not the most open-minded of places, the newspapers and their editors stink like crap and the people are persuaded to think differently due to what they see on TV and read in the papers. I can only talk about new age concepts with my brother or with others online. It's very important you choose your friends carefully concerning this, if they aren't affirming what you know to be true then try to minimize your contact with them as self-doubt only causes harm.

The reason I project consciously is so I can get out of my ego, it's as simple as that for me.

Regarding angelic presence, yes, I believe it to be an awesome experience too but I don't associate them with christianity any longer, I find that severely limiting. I tried reading "A Course in Miracles" recently and the christian dogmatism killed it for me utterly. I actually hold spite towards that book now.

I believe Christ to be as fine an entity as the best of them but I do NOT associate "him" with angels with wings, big books, crosses, religion, media, being a hippie, doing charity work 24/7, having a physical body at this time, being a space alien etc...  It's because of these ideas that I've actually moved away from anything but my own experiences regarding the matter.

[Virgin Astral]

The reason I project consciously is so I can get out of my ego, it's as simple as that for me.

Sorry, I don't mean to derail your post, but I am curious as to what you mean by the above stated?
Thanks.

[Zante]

Sorry, I don't mean to derail your post, but I am curious as to what you mean by the above stated?
Thanks.

When I'm OOB I don't have other people to worry about, I don't have to work within their perception of what is appropriate. I can actually "create" "ideal" people, I can make everything resonate. The more I experience this freedom, the more of it I bring back to my physical life.

I am highly impressionable and I have a bad habit of trying to maintain a certain image when I'm with other people. I get a chance to see things for what they are when I'm "out" and let's just say that the harshest judge of your own character is yourself. My ego has gotten me into a lot of emotional trauma. Some of the things I wanted in my life I was actually ashamed of, I believed my very existence was a sin.

While it's difficult/impossible to get rid of the ego completely (I don't want to try and do that either, it sounds boring to me), there're elements which make the process of becoming self-aware rather more painful than it ought to be.

"So I can get out of my ego", was a terrible way of describing it, sorry. It has more to do with freeing myself from old ego-based perceptions so I can create new ones. :p

[-->PhenomenoN<--]

Yeah Zanta, i totally understand where your coming from.  I too struggle with my ego big time.  I'm always trying to maintain the perfect image. 

But I've learned our ego plays a big part in who we are.   And our job is not to eliminate it, but to manage it.  As hard as it can be sometimes

[Drift]

Well im not religious and I dont consider myself 'new age' either.

My life goes on as normal, I love football, to go out and have a few quiet beers with friends, play pool, go to the cinema, spend time with my wife and dogs, all the regular things. The projection side of things is a strange internal part.

For someone whos not religious I have a very close relationship with 'it'. That it being whatever there is larger than all of us as I do think theres something thats for sure, sometimes I use the word 'karma' othertimes 'fate' maybe sometimes 'destiny' or even 'gaia'. Its not something I talk about much with people, its just inside.

I feel oddly connected to something larger, maybe even 'preserved' or 'guided' wouldnt be too strong a word. Ive no idea why or where or what, its just soemthing that has grown inside me. I grew up without the slightest inclination of religion, but as I got older somehow a sense of being connected in some way to something else just grew on me.

At first it was a little hard for me, I used to question my thoughts and actions, are they good, are they bad, but over time ive grown beyond that. I sort of developed a faith that whatever im connected too doesnt understand the world in simple terms, my little bad thoughts or little bad and good actions are really non consequential, whats important is the development of my 'soul'.
I use the word 'soul' very lightly, just as a concept to cover the part of me im referring to. The inner part, the part that defines right and wrong, that senses what to do and not to do in the world. My sense of things tells me thats the part thats important somehow, its shape and development not the steps along the way.

This is why I dont talk about it because I cant really define it without sounding odd. If you met me you would see just an everyday person getting along with life, no interest in god or church or chants of peace and love, and yet inside I cant shape the sense that im in some untangible way directly connected to something more. My projection began as fun, the wonder of going to impossible places and seeing impossible things and feeling like you were actually right there on the spot was amazing. As ive grown I suppose each time now I hope to get closer to something, to learn something, maybe to find out what im connected to and why.

I retain a logical brain which instructs me that maybe just having these wonderful episodes made me a little giddy and brought about this inner sense of connection to some imaginary thing. No matter how loud my logic speaks, theres a little inaudible voice in my mind telling me that I know the truth and no matter how much I deny that, I am connected and fixed into something else.

Really I cant say I know anything for sure regarding how I really feel or believe about this matter, its my own silent conflict and I dont feel tired or bothered at all by it. One way or another I know it will be just fine at the end of the day whether im connected or not connected things will be as they will be, and I just need to keep on going with life and listening to my inner senses to know right from wrong.


Whether due to some larger connection or jsut a fact of life, ive learned that the answers to most questions you ask in life are already there. Ive many times cursed this perceived 'entity' for some misfortune and asked why, and even as i do it my own mind is processing the answer to the questions like I alrerady knew so why ask. Odd and as of this moment in time whether my own ignorance clouds answers that are already there or if the answers are a part of being connected to something else. I know im not going to beat myself up mentally about the reality either. Im sure of one thing, if I am connected to something larger then that larger entity understands my doubts questions and fears better than I ever will, so ive nothing to explain or feel guilty about.

As I read this back I see how complicated a thing it seems,  yet its odd how it all seems so simple for me and never complicates my life?

The truth is if you have one OOBE, never mind many, it will effect you in some deeper way. How can not? If you were lifted one night to stand in some ancient wonderous place, away from everything you know and understand and beyond anything you believed possible, how could you wake and not be affected by it?

Whats beyond projecting I imagine will always be a search for truth and answers, maybe without any resolutions, but a pleasurable experience none the less and one you wont regret I doubt.