position for out of body

[personalreality]

i lay exactly like i sleep

[Psilibus]

i lay exactly like i sleep

At a 38 degree angle?

[CFTraveler]

At a 38 degree angle?

I use a recliner, the best of both worlds.

[personalreality]

lol, yea mushroomman, i sleep at a 38 degree angle

i find that attempting AP is easier when i do it in a position that i sleep in because it's easier for me to let my awareness drift down if i think i'm going to sleep.

i also do a lot of trance practice as i'm going to sleep at night and just spend some time staying awake in that state.  it helps.

[Psilibus]

Agreed, it helps. I like watching the dreamy images start up, getting caught up and pulling myself out just before I lose control then going back again and repeating until I give in and enter full sleep. Of course that is not when I am intending to project, but just before I give myself up to sleep. That practice is what has led me to agree with the phasing concept. "Phasing" just doesn't seem to work for me. That trance state is just a heartbeat away from full release and.

[personalreality]

and?

[David Warner]

I tested many different sleep positions while in OBE, taking the time before/after upon coming back from the experience. It does not matter period North-South-East-West which works better. I have been able to project in riding cars, airplanes, during class, a t work - where ever.

Don't get wrapped up into esoteric mystic beliefs that positioning is the key to project. It is not or does the moon phases make a difference either. I went down that path many times believing that this item, or that symbol would make me a better project or was doing it for me. It all comes down to is self-will trial and error.

Good luck.

Dave

[Xanth]

I tested many different sleep positions while in OBE, taking the time before/after upon coming back from the experience. It does not matter period North-South-East-West which works better. I have been able to project in riding cars, airplanes, during class, a t work - where ever.

Don't get wrapped up into esoteric mystic beliefs that positioning is the key to project. It is not or does the moon phases make a difference either. I went down that path many times believing that this item, or that symbol would make me a better project or was doing it for me. It all comes down to is self-will trial and error.

Good luck.

Dave

That's the exact advice I've been trying to get across.  LoL
And it's the "esoteric mystic beliefs" that I'm trying to rid myself of in my practices.

~Ryan

[David Warner]

yah... a lot of people get very wrapped up into objects, crystals, tapes, books that get inudated with all of this stuff thinking there is a magical pill. Now, please note that I am not knocking any of these at all because I did try a lot of them - how ever when I stripped everything down to the basic's it came down to myself doing the very hard work.

it is a process of trial and error - see what works and what doesn't - but at it's core "it is you"..

Dave

[personalreality]

i still use crystals but not for ap

too distracting.

sometimes i use them to help induce deep trance, but not for ap

[David Warner]

not saying that these symbols, objects are invalid and can't help - maybe in the beginning it is good to experiment, but not long term using as a crutch.

back in the say i would use a crystal pyramid and place it over my 3rd eye while falling asleep. i tell ya, waking up in the morning with a pyramid mark on your face is rather embarrassing - try to explain that to your boss, teacher, or family...

dw