My OBE last night

[mcdwg]

I had a long day yesterday so I just wanted to go to sleep. As I was drifting off to sleep I could feel my body going to sleep faster than my mind so basically I was about to have sleep paralysis. I moved around because I didn't want to feel the sleep paralysis, but as soon as I began to drift off it happened again and this happened about four times before I Gave up and said oh well let it just happen so while I was in the body asleep mind awake I just thought "ok then I'll try to get out" so with my eyes closed I felt as my astral body was slowly floating up so I decided to open my eyes and usually what happens at that point I just wake up but this time after I opened my eyes I could see in front of me getting closer to the wall, it was a bit blurry and I was very aware of what was going on but the wall seemed different so I thought about what I could do to make sure I was actually projecting and at that moment my wife woke me up. I tried to have an OBE again but this time I just fell asleep.

Questions. Is there a science to having an OBE? I mean I don't even have vibrations anymore and it just happened. I did not want one last night but it's as if someone kept pushing a button saying "you're having one buddy". I wish I could will myself to having one whenever I wanted. I'm sure a lot of people do.

I've been reading and having lucid dreams and a couple of OBE's in the past four months. At this point I don't feel vibrations anymore, I just feel when it is about to happen. What stage would you say I'm in? I want to get to the point where I can will myself to have an OBE, in fact I want to get out of my vicinity which I have not been able to do yet, there is like a barrier every time. What should I do to go beyond this barrier, I don't think it is fear because I feel no fear whatsoever when having an OBE.

One more question, I have mentioned OBE's and projecting. Am I using the right terms here, is there a difference?

Thanks

[Xanth]

Science mostly means that there is something that can be verified and measured.
We (our civilization) can't really measure the Out of Body Experience just yet.

To will yourself to have an OBE, or as I usually say it,  "to consciously have an OBE", you just need LOTS of practice.
A guy like Robert Monroe was able to go out of body almost on command whenever he wanted to just due to the shear amount of practice he had over his 40 some-odd years of doing it.

And yes, you're using the right terms. 

[mcdwg]

Science mostly means that there is something that can be verified and measured.
We (our civilization) can't really measure the Out of Body Experience just yet.

To will yourself to have an OBE, or as I usually say it,  "to consciously have an OBE", you just need LOTS of practice.
A guy like Robert Monroe was able to go out of body almost on command whenever he wanted to just due to the shear amount of practice he had over his 40 some-odd years of doing it.

And yes, you're using the right terms. 

Thanks for your reply Xanth

Maybe I should ask what triggers an OBE. Is it the state of awareness? I mean I was very very tired and I thought I would fall asleep as soon as I hit my pillow but that did not happen. One thing I will say is my mind was completely relaxed and my body was completely tired. maybe I'll just work out a lot to get my body tired and read Monroe before going to bed.

[Xanth]

Most nights we lie down to sleep... and that's exactly what happens.
However, there's the odd time we lie down and our mind has other plans for us... I don't think you can escape it, especially when your mind is like, "screw you, you're NOT sleeping yet!!".  hehe

What triggers an OBE?
Are you asking physically?  Or sensationally?  Either way, I don't really know, but it's a good question.  Lemme know when you figure it out.  LoL 

[kurtykurt42]

That's what I'm trying to figure out as well... I believe technology can be used to help aid in triggering astral projections. My goal is to be able to relax the physical body for about 5 minutes or so and then crank up the juice on the device and have your consciousness exit your body with your awareness in tact. I believe this can be accomplished using strong scalar waves, crystals and magnetic/diamagnetic fields, (ie. Neodumium magnets and Bismuth) as well as a little bit of conscious intent. I have talked with a couple individuals that have used such devices while working for the government.

After reading thousands of accounts from different people I have found that everyone seems to be a little different with regard to astral projecting. Some people's consciousness will phase out of there body, some will not be fully aware, some won't remember anything and some will have less awareness than others, as in remote viewing.  

[mcdwg]

After reading thousands of accounts from different people I have found that everyone seems to be a little different with regard to astral projecting. Some people's consciousness will phase out of there body, some will not be fully aware, some won't remember anything and some will have less awareness than others, as in remote viewing.  

Something I have noticed while being in a lucid dream or conscious OBE is that I feel like I belong to that place. Everything seems normal, thus the reason for no fear. I remember having dreams where after waking up I felt nothing made sense but at the time of the dream everything seemed normal. One dream I have from time to time is where one of my teeth falls out or is about to fall out, anyone knows what that means?

[Xanth]

As Robert Monroe would put it... he had to turn on his logical brain to make some sense of his OBE surroundings.
Otherwise, to one extent you're not *fully* conscious.

[T.L.]

Questions. Is there a science to having an OBE? I mean I don't even have vibrations anymore and it just happened. I did not want one last night but it's as if someone kept pushing a button saying "you're having one buddy". I wish I could will myself to having one whenever I wanted. I'm sure a lot of people do.

I've been reading and having lucid dreams and a couple of OBE's in the past four months. At this point I don't feel vibrations anymore, I just feel when it is about to happen. What stage would you say I'm in? I want to get to the point where I can will myself to have an OBE, in fact I want to get out of my vicinity which I have not been able to do yet, there is like a barrier every time. What should I do to go beyond this barrier, I don't think it is fear because I feel no fear whatsoever when having an OBE.

One more question, I have mentioned OBE's and projecting. Am I using the right terms here, is there a difference?

A science to having an obe? Man, if there was one I haven't found it yet. I have been studying obe's/projection for a while 5+ years. I have had more than I can remember. I have a terrible work ethic though so sometimes I do not put them into my journal, I try though as much as possible to write journal entries afterward. There are things you can do to increase the chances of having an obe. One thing that seems to help, maybe it's just placebo, maybe not but eating a light meal instead of a large meal before turning in for the night or whenever you are trying to project. I'm not sure why but it helps me somewhat. Another thing is to attempt projection every time you lay down, whether it is for a nap or to sleep. On top of that focus on projecting upon waking up after sleeping, this is where I have a good amount of obe's.

I think the reason is I do not sleep nearly enough for my physical body to feel rested, but mentally I'm refreshed and awake whereas my body my remain tired. The first few projections I had initially in the real time zone (referring to the here and now) I could get away from my physical body's immediate vicinity but movement felt restrained like I was wading through water. Perhaps it's just you, not fear but belief. Perhaps you do not think it is possible (subconsciously) to leave your physical body unattended. Whatever the issue rest assured it is a self imposed limitation, you should get over it after a while. Back to having obe's it is a very subtle and fragile state you have to enter to have it, once you do you can easily solidify the experience like cement yourself into it. However initially when the exit happens there is a good chance you wont even know you are out, you will most likely still think you are in the body. I noticed this a long while ago. I would be out but would think I had not gotten out yet until I went to either sit up or open my eyes. The vision does not automatically happen always, and with only slight sensations of movement it may not feel like an exit took place.

I still however even after all this time still hit the vibrations so after the vibrations go away every moment after is a suspect moment for me, Im constantly questioning am I out yet because how subtle the shift is. There times I thought I had not gotten out and went to sit up and realized I was out. There were other times where I thought I was out but ended up physically moving my body, which happens to me quite a bit because I do not consciously experience paralysis. When I go obe I can still have my physical body move, which is how I end each projection... I will my physical body to sit up and I am thrown back into my body already sitting up. Which is a cool thing to be able to do but it has it's cons like everything else. What is interesting though is that during lucid dreams I can not do that, which is another thing that leads me to believe that the state (at least physically speaking) is different altogether from lucid dreaming states. Now one thing is a must for obes to happen is that all physical stimuli to the body has to be minimal, including sounds. You can over time learn how to obe with the television on (I do all the time) but those sounds will affect you even if you were to wear earplugs. There is a point (at least for me) where I can actually feel sounds (even if low) wash over me like a wave of an ocean (even if I wear ear plugs). At first it would snap me out of the pre-obe state.

So this is one reason why they say to not wear heavy clothes to bed, or have heavy blankets eventually it translates into feelings of pressure that are hard to ignore. Fans blowing on you are still physical stimulus you don't want. Obes in other words can also be describe as mind and body disassociation, and for it to occur all physical stimulus has to be shut off.. otherwise you just wont be able to get into the right state (at least until you learn to). There are precursors that have to occur and for a while it just wont happen until the settings are just right.

[netzgewebe]

One dream I have from time to time is where one of my teeth falls out or is about to fall out, anyone knows what that means?

I remember reading somewhere it was a sign of "death", in a literal way. Imho, probably just means bad luck or maybe something bad's gonna hapen. Not shure about any of this tough.

Ruben

Edit (A quick search): http://www.dreammoods.com/cgibin/teethdreams.pl?method=exact&header=dreamid&search=teethintro

[Xanth]

I've always found that dreams where your 'teeth are falling out' generally (and I'm being serious here) point to sexual inadequacy.

EDIT: Which, after I read the link netzgewebe posted... it says just that.  LoL

[mcdwg]

I've always found that dreams where your 'teeth are falling out' generally (and I'm being serious here) point to sexual inadequacy.

EDIT: Which, after I read the link netzgewebe posted... it says just that.  LoL

hey hey hey that is one of the interpretations. My wife and I are ok in that department. i will say though being in the military i constantly worry about my appearance since i have to keep height and weight standards and now that I am in my 30's it is a lot harder, it is one of those constant pressures so I will go with that one. 

[T.L.]

Another one is that it could mean fear of one's own mortality. At one point when I was a kid I was afraid of dying, around the age of 11. I used to have this dream all the time (teeth falling out and me having to spit them out..etc). Later when I realized it's not a big deal (death) I never had this dream again. Also my mom has this dream a lot and if you bring up death around her she almost goes into a panic attack because that is how scared she is of death.

[Greytraveller]

Hiya to everybody 
In my experience the act of deliberately inducing an OBE is more of an art than a science. Which is sort of a shame because what works well on one occasion has absolutely no effect another night. This is the reason that mainstream science does not support the validity of OBEs - they can rarely be repeated night after night in a lab environment (though there have been a few notable successes by gifted 'projectors').
Anyway its best to just go with whatever works for you. Sometimes a painful trial and error process is required to see what Does work.

Regards 
Grey

[mcdwg]

Hiya to everybody 
In my experience the act of deliberately inducing an OBE is more of an art than a science. Which is sort of a shame because what works well on one occasion has absolutely no effect another night. This is the reason that mainstream science does not support the validity of OBEs - they can rarely be repeated night after night in a lab environment (though there have been a few notable successes by gifted 'projectors').
Anyway its best to just go with whatever works for you. Sometimes a painful trial and error process is required to see what Does work.

Regards 
Grey

I have started to notice that whenever there is a lot going on arround me like for instance the holydays, moving, family issues, then I am not able to OBE or even meditate but when I read this forum and constantly think about astral projection specially before going to bed then the chances for an OBE are better.

[RisingSon]

hey hey hey that is one of the interpretations. My wife and I are ok in that department. i will say though being in the military i constantly worry about my appearance since i have to keep height and weight standards and now that I am in my 30's it is a lot harder, it is one of those constant pressures so I will go with that one. 

Wait til you hit your 40's - you'll wish you were out of body more often than in!

I agree that inducing an OBE is more an art than science, but it is something you can becomes successful at. Sadly, my experiences vary a lot, sometimes it is easy, sometimes "impossible".  This takes patience and determination...at least at the beginning.  I feel very much at the beginning!

[mcdwg]

Wait til you hit your 40's - you'll wish you were out of body more often than in!

I agree that inducing an OBE is more an art than science, but it is something you can becomes successful at. Sadly, my experiences vary a lot, sometimes it is easy, sometimes "impossible".  This takes patience and determination...at least at the beginning.  I feel very much at the beginning!

Well I have to say I have had some consistency on what happens prior to my couple of OBE's that I have tried to accomplish consciously. I lay down notice the blackness. After about ten minutes I have felt my arms and legs become heavy then some sort of energy going through my body, I start seeing cloud like formations with my closed eyes  and after a while I start feeling twitches, I know at this point my body is completely relaxed and I just wait fo the sensation of vibrations or a weird sensation that I am ready to get out. To get to the point of body relaxation has been very hard the past couple of weeks, I try and try but I just fall asleep.