OBE, real- time zone or dream?

[Jeff_Mash]

I suppose that in order to prove that an OBE is not a dream, you would also have to prove that what we call 'real life' is not a dream either.

After all, what is real life anyway?  What makes your waking consciousness any more 'real' than your astral one?  Simply because you can knock on the same piece of wood repeatedly and your hand stops on the surface?  Does this tell you that you're awake, because your hand doesn't pass through a solid object?  We reproduce things in our everyday life, and we substitute this consistency for what is "real."

However, in my mind, everything I EXPERIENCE is real.  For instance, when I am astral travelling, the experience is more real and clearer to me than I am when I am awake.  My senses are sharper, my mind is more alert, etc.  It is every bit as "real" to me as it is to respond to your message right now.

So is the simple fact that I can't bring a part of it back to show people make the experience any less real?  I don't believe so.  

The problem is trying to reproduce something over and over and over again when you're in an environment that is highly reactive to thoughts and emotions.  About the only thing I have reproduced when astral are astral things......I have reproduced the feelings and sensations when flying, when passing through walls, when breathing the air, etc.  I have not, however, gave a second thought when I'm out to look at a card, or try to prove that the experience is "real" because at that very moment, I am completely and positively aware that it's 100% real.  There is no doubt in my mind.

It's only when you come back (and especially if you drift off into a dream) that you start to second guess all that happened.  All you're left with is the MEMORY of the experience, and this can seem very dreamlike if you don't recall the details of what happened.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Your error is in believing that dreams are not real.

Nice post Jeff.

[liquidPunk]

do you mean prove? iv never heard of a proof? i dont have any proofs.......anyways, im curious to if anyone here has.... theres nothing wrong with questioning stuff. To be honest i know of a few people on here who have read random numbers when projecting, just from browsing the forum in the past.....

but yea im totally into hearing some proofs to hahaha

[Ensoñador]

Hey guys, I,m just asking here if someone of you have ever proofed that rea-time zone is really an objective view of the phiscal world, not if my life points of view are erroneous or correct. I,m not tring to begin a discussion on what is real or what is not, I just want to know if astral world can really converge with our ordinary world.

By the way....I know everything and nothing at all is real at the same time.

[Ensoñador]

Has someone ever proofed that OBE is not a dream? Do we really are traveling in the phiscal real-time world when AP, or is it just a copy of our memorys. I think a good way to proof this would be to ask one of our family members to put an unknown objet for us in a room of our house and then check it out during OBe to compare the information we got next morning with the "real" object. If you have ever done this succesfully, I would be pleased to read your experience.  I,m running an invetsigation on the objetivity of real-time projections, so, ¡please help me with my homework!

I,ve expeerienced some times OBE but I havent ever made this experiement.
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