Almost Made It

[Jeff_Mash]

Hi Willow, and welcome to the forums!  I look forward to hearing more from you.  =)

You asked if it's possible to visit someone who is far away via an OBE.  The answer is YES!

However, it may not be as easy as it seems.  At least, it isn't for me.  First of all, through my experiences, you can't just visit "anybody."  In other words, no matter how much I have a crush on Jennifer Aniston, the chances are highly unlikely that I could OBE to her.  Why?  Because there is no emotional connection between us....nothing for me to focus on and latch onto in order to find her "ident" in the astral.

Now, with that aside, assuming that you want to travel to someone that you DO have an emotional connection with, it requires a good deal of concentration.  Trying to fly to person A while accidentally entertaining a thought about something else could very well find you in an entirely different place altogether.

This isn't just with visiting people.  Trying to visit a specific place (like the Astral Pulse Island) can have the same effect if you aren't focused correctly.

While I have never been able to specifically target someone while having an OBE, I did have this girl friend of mine visit me.  While she never met me in person, nor been in my city, she was able to describe my bedroom in detail.

But it sounds like you are making great progress.  For God sakes though, be sure you turn off your phone ringer!  []

[WillowCat]

Thanks for your response, Jeff.  I had trouble with the board the other day and could not reply.  I had a very interesting weekend, though.

I seem to be able to relax, get the vibrations (I also feel heat - pretty intense, but doesn't burn).  Then I feel parts of my body jerk.  Would these be more intense vibrations - or actually trying to separate? I think I'm still getting distracted by those - it tends to focus me back on my physical body.

As to what I asked you about contacting someone, yes, it is someone I know personally and a very interesting thing happened with that.  I was trying to OOBE, ended up falling asleep. At some point while dreaming, I felt like I contacted him.  It went from a vivid dream to a lucid, but dark and blurry vision of me looking at him -- then making myself look at his face to be sure this was who it was. After a moment, it went back to my vivid dream.  I just felt like I was out of body briefly, looking at this person.

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Then I feel parts of my body jerk.  Would these be more intense vibrations - or actually trying to separate?

Well, from my experience, the spontaneous jerking is NOT the vibrations, nor are they a separation reflex.  Instead, it's just your body spasming out a little bit....much like your eyes will flicker after going into a deep trance (REM stuff).

Whenever my body does one of those jerks, I try not to give it more than a seconds thought, or else it will distract me from my goal to project.

The vibrations which you're seeking are more subtle, and usually creep up on you.  That is, if you're projecting from a fully conscious state.  Otherwise, if you suddenly wake up from sleep with full-on vibrations, it can be more abrupt and violent.  

It all depends on the person, though.  I never really experience anything violent when it comes to projecting.

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I think I'm still getting distracted by those - it tends to focus me back on my physical body.

Like I said, just work on trying to ignore these body jerks.  They are a good sign, because it means you're slowly detaching your mind from your body's responses.  

Think about it, you probably jerk a number of times when you sleep but you never notice it (think of a dog dreaming, which twitches all over the place).  The reason why you don't notice yourself doing this is because your mind is detached from the physical body responses.  Well, when trying to project, a part of your mind is still somewhat conscious of the physical body, so little twitches and jerks will be noticed.

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As to what I asked you about contacting someone, yes, it is someone I know personally and a very interesting thing happened with that.  I was trying to OOBE, ended up falling asleep. At some point while dreaming, I felt like I contacted him.  It went from a vivid dream to a lucid, but dark and blurry vision of me looking at him -- then making myself look at his face to be sure this was who it was. After a moment, it went back to my vivid dream.  I just felt like I was out of body briefly, looking at this person.

I guess in that case, you wouldn't really KNOW if you contacted him unless:

1) You were completely aware and conscious at the time of the visit and KNEW that you were awake and seeing him

2) If you weren't sure if you were dreaming, you could see if the contactee has any memory of a visit.  This memory could be a dream with you in it, not necesarilly remembering you looking at him while he was laying down.

[WillowCat]

quote: Well, from my experience, the spontaneous jerking is NOT the vibrations, nor are they a separation reflex.  Instead, it's just your body spasming out a little bit....much like your eyes will flicker after going into a deep trance (REM stuff).

I don't think I explained this correctly - while I feel the jerks, my body does not actally move - that is what caused me to lose focus because I realized I felt my hand and foot, but they had not moved - they were in the exact same position as when I began to relax.

quote: Whenever my body does one of those jerks, I try not to give it more than a seconds thought, or else it will distract me from my goal to project.

Yes, I realize that now and in the future that is the way I will approach them.

quote:The vibrations which you're seeking are more subtle, and usually creep up on you.  That is, if you're projecting from a fully conscious state.  Otherwise, if you suddenly wake up from sleep with full-on vibrations, it can be more abrupt and violent.

I am sure I have felt these on several occasions, it was just that the other night, after i began feeling them - I was shortly distracted by the perceived movement in my body.
I have some alone time coming up this week, so hopefully it will give me a chance to truly relax and work on this. I'll just keep trying and see what happens...Hopefully a good OOB experience.

[WillowCat]

Well, I did it...not for long, but I did it. I sat up on the side of the bed. I actually felt myself pulling away, but I had to struggle a little. My upper body was fine, but my lower legs felt like they were stuck for a second. Then I pulled them around and sat up on the bed. I looked back and saw me lying there. I guess that's what pulled me back, but I wasn't really afraid because as soon as it started happening I knew what was going on. Then I was back in bed, awake and pretty excited about what had happened. It's given me a bit of confidence and I think it's going to be easier now because I know I can do it and I kind of know what feelings to expect.  Wish me luck!

[Jeff_Mash]

Yay!  Congratulations, Willow!  Keep us posted on your progress.

[WillowCat]

I have always had very lucid dreams and almost naturally felt the sensations that I have read about OOBE.  About 10-15 years ago, after reading about it or hearing something on tv, I decided to try.  I was alone, lying on the floor and I began to relax my body, which comes pretty easy for me. I was turning my focus inward toward myself, at the blackness behind my closed eyelids. The room contained a floor to ceiling bookcase.  I realized at some point I was looking at the books, then I realized I was looking at the top shelf -- I was up in the air. I don't remember the separation, just looking at the books.  Unfortunately, that was it, I think I got scared and went right back to my body.  

So I've gone a very long time without trying this again.  A few months ago, I began studying my dreams, OOBE's, etc.  Then, recently I felt the need to try to reach a good friend of mine who lives far away.  I thought maybe I could find and comfort this person through OOBE.  I'm interested in everyone's thoughts about this?  Is it possible?  Does it create too much distraction to try to concentrate on going to specific places/people?

Anyway, this is what has happened so far:
Wednesday night, I actually completely relaxed myself 3 times, the first 2 I did get distracted but felt myself getting close, saw some of those little visions. The 3rd time I really felt it, felt the vibrations, I was aware, but I felt everything around me disappear for a minute.  Then it felt like my head/chest was moving down and I could feel another part of me lifting out of my body.  Of course, the phone rang...right at that moment. My body jerked awake when I heard it...like I had been asleep, but I was not asleep. I was a bit ticked off about the phone, I was so close, I was going to try again. Then I just ended up falling asleep. I can't exactly put my finger on the dreams...but I did really feel like it all continued, like I was traveling about. (And yes, now I make sure the ringer is off).

Last night, I felt the vibrations, but did not feel that chest push.  What I did feel was my fingers flexing, and my foot kicking up.  I knew my physical body did not move, so I am assuming I was trying to separate.  I think it surprised me though, so when I was thinking about that movement – I lost my concentration.  Then, once again, just fell asleep.

I found a lot of good information on this site, but am still interested in your thoughts on my earlier questions as well as any advice about completing separation, etc.