Developing new OBE method (ex. relaxation topic)

[Dragon]

There are alot of people talking about, "Shifting your focus" to your brow...
Where is your focus to begin with? to then be able to shift it?

Do I just roll my eyes, and LOOK? without thought?
Do I talk myself through the process..

Im becoming very lost here.  
Thanks for your patience and I realy do thank everybody for your
help.

DB

[Frank]

quote:
Ive been trying the method for the last couple days, and I think im making some progress.... Frank, you know how you say that when you take it slow, you can feel the vibrations coming in a limb softly?? But when you do it normally, the vibrations come out of nowhere??? Last night, I tried your method, and I felt slight vibrations coming in from my left leg/thigh, but they stayed slight.... How close was I???

DjMidgetMan
  "Mind over Matter"

You may have been at the onset stage of vibrations and thought about it. Problem is, actually thinking about it at that stage will tend to take you out of it. Rather like when your attention is disrupted by stray energy. Suddenly your eyes try to focus which interrupts the whole thing and you have to start again. The key thing is to practise every day if you can, and have faith you can do it. If you can get to the vibration stage once, it does get easier next time.

Yours,
Frank

[Frank]

There are alot of people talking about, "Shifting your focus" to your brow...
Where is your focus to begin with? to then be able to shift it?

Do I just roll my eyes, and LOOK? without thought?
Do I talk myself through the process..

Im becoming very lost here.  
Thanks for your patience and I realy do thank everybody for your
help.

DB

I think maybe reading the previous thread on this topic will help you clear the confusion. We started this thread as the other was getting too long.

Just found it, it's called "Deep physical relaxation" and it's a couple of pages back (at the moment).

Yours,
Frank






Edited by - Frank on 08 April 2002  13:19:32

[Frank]

quote:
I did the raising of awareness to my third eye last night and rolled my eyes back so that they were looking towards it.  Every time I did, within a few seconds, there was an astounding sense of expansiveness almost like I was falling into it (out of it?) and the vibrations would begin.  This seems to be an excellent new beginning technique so far.  I had very strange dreams and half-sleep-induced images that night.

Sadly, my eyes would get tired quickly and I couldn't hold it very long.  Perhaps as we try it a little more, our eyes will become accustomed to it.

Your eyes get into the habit of simply rolling back the moment you want them to. After a while it gets to be so comfortable you feel the need to check you are still actually doing it! I think what happens is the eye muscles stretch to accommodate the action (like any muscle would given time). One thing you might try is to practice some eye exercises a few times a day. Like, look up, down, left, right; then the same but reversed; then around in a circle one way, then the other, and repeat. That kind of thing.

Yours,
Frank

[dllb]

I have a basic (dumb) question:
I've been focusing on my brow chakkra and it raises my vibration and energy almost immediately but (here it goes) "are my eyes supposed to be open or closed" as I look up to focus my attention on my brow chakkra?

Thanks
Don

[SteppenWolf]

Actually NoSkillz is right - this is pretty much exactly the same as Joe Russa's Suneye method #1 which you can check out here along with methods 2, 3 and 4:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bwgen/files/suneye_methods.zip
(All in PDF format.)

So not quite a new method, but it's supposed to be pretty damned good from what people have said on other forums.

[Frank]

quote:

I have a basic (dumb) question:
I've been focusing on my brow chakkra and it raises my vibration and energy almost immediately but (here it goes) "are my eyes supposed to be open or closed" as I look up to focus my attention on my brow chakkra?

Thanks
Don

Personally, my eyes are closed but it's whatever feels most comfortable and most effective to *you* that matters. For conscious-exit obe's you need to perform a particular mental "balancing act" that's a little tricky to do. Because there is not one method that people can just simply do, we have lot's of so-called methods. As a result, the whole thing gets confusing. Particularly as the whole subject of obe's is becoming more commercialised by the day.

The reason why you let your eyes roll upwards is because your sense of conscious awareness tends to reside behind (and follow) your two physical eyes. But what you need to do is let your sense of conscious awareness drift upwards such that it makes a connection with your Astral interface that is present within your brain.

You have 2 basic interfaces within the brain... the Astral and the Physical. Then you have what I call your "sense of conscious awareness" that you can choose to either plug into your inner Physical interface (where it normally connects) or you can plug it into your inner Astral interface (where people are attempting to connect).

The way you make the switch is by basically relaxing and use a little meta-physical imagery to kickstart the natural reconnection process.

Yours,
Frank

[Donna]

Hi all,
I can only pass along to you my experience. Several years ago when I first became interested in projection, I tryed the SUNEYE method. Setting my alarm clock to awaken after six hours sleep, I drank a cup of coffee and read OBE materials. I went back to bed and closed my eyes, lying on my back and with eyes closed "looked" at the center of my forehead with my eyes rolled up in their sockets. I tired of this after a little while, and went off to sleep.
I then found myself in a classroom, desks, students, teacher and blackboard included. I was standing in the back of the classroom desperately trying to astral project from there, this effort brought me swiftly back to my sleeping body and I awoke with  a tingling sensation all over. Quite a lucid dream.
About a year later after learning to project at will, this dream was explained to me. I was to meet some others for our monthly OBE get-together on the real time plane. I had done my usual meditaion, sitting in a chair with bare feet flat on the floor close together, and arms resting on my chair arms. As usual I began shortly to see the colors (violet, blue and white) that form a tunnel that I exit through to arrive at my intended destination. This time I had only started my journey, when confronted by a beautiful little girl. She looked to be six or seven years old, dressed in a white dress, with long blond curls. When she spoke I knew this was no little girl. She instructed me to take her hand, and not to let go. We then flew very swiftly sideways through what seemed to be several "doors" and then straight up very fast. She asked if I could discern the different level of the eithers we were passing through. I answered that I could, seeing what seem like people populating different levels
(like going up in an elevator with clear glass, and seeing each floor). I suddenly got very frightened and let go of her hand, returning immediately to my body.
The next morning I decided to try again to reach my friends on the real time plane for our meeting, as there is "no time" in the realms and all time can be "right now". After coming through my tunnel into the usual starscape, and this time I had asked for a guide, the same little girl was waiting for me. Again I was instructed to take her hand and up we went at an incredible speed. I was taken to a small planet with buildings enclosed by high white gates. As we hovered above this place in the air, still holding hands, the gates suddenly swung open. We proceeded through the gates and I reached out with my left hand and felt the cold smooth stone of the gateway, It was all so real. In the center or a round courthyard was a three tier fountain with vibrant red flowers growing at its' base.
To make a long story shorter, I learned that this was a school in the seventh heaven and that the room I was in in the lucid dream a year earlier was here in one of the classrooms, and that I had actually hurt the teachers' feeling by trying to "astral project" during class. I later appologized to her.
I was also told that there are "watchers" in the angelic realms who keep an eye on our progress, and when we are ready we are introduced into the schools in the realms for higher spiritual learning.
Donna

[Windameir]

Sorry Frank but I have another darn Question http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>
Could you tell us more about or describe your, Type of breathing you Use You described it as being something you habitually do, If im understanding you right it you discovered that you do it in preperation and during phasing Thanks.

Happy Travels
Windameir

[shorty]

Hi everyone!! I've been reading this, and it's really interested me. I just have one problem. I'm blind, and I have very little, if any, control of where my eyes go. Also, my consciousness is mostly in my hands, but I have light perception so there's some in my eyes as well. My point, would it be the same kind of technique moving my consciousness to my third eye? Would i need to adapt the method so that I don't need to roll my eyes back?

Thanks a lot!!!
Michael

[Donna]

HI Shorty,
Perhaps this will help. Pinch the bridge of your nose lightly just where your brows would meet if they, following their normal curve met in the center of your face. Now up above this fleshly spot about an inch is where the third eye is located.
If you have read and used  Roberts' New Energy Way of moving energy through your chakra system you will note that it will enerigize your entire system. After using that, try just concentrating on that spot between your brows, and up an inch. If you do not sense a slight pressure in that area, try rubbing it lightly with a fingertip and concentrate on it again.Some people have said that they have worn a small piece of tape over the third eye to help them concentrate their focus on it.
Hope this helps,
Donnahttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

[Adrian]

Greetings!

This is really by way of a followup to the things we learnt in the original topic with the above subject, and with the excellent, and much appreciated input by Frank

The topic has provided us with much useful information I believe, and I am sure we can progress this further, and come up with a definitive new OBE method between us.

The original thread was based upon the question of deep relaxation requirements as a pre-cursor to OBE/AP.

Frank then kindly shared his method of AP with us all, and which clearly offers a potentially much easier, and less stressful route to achieving a first, and subsequently reliable Astral Projections.

It is a well known fact that an alternative to artificially induced trance and deep relaxation, is to attempt an OBE after waking up ealier in the morning, e.g. by setting an alarm clock 2 hours earlier.

Frank shared with us the fact that (and please correct me if I am wrong Frank), he normally projects in the early hours of the morning - this of course makes sense from what we know, and would explain the apparent lack of necessity for an artificially induced pre-OBE state.

The first question then is this:

1) Can Frank's method be used at *any* time, e.g. at the time of going to bed, or during the day, just as easily as in the early hours of the morning, and without the usual long deep relaxation and trance induction pre-requisites?

I think the most significant aspect of Frank's method, and one which is certainly confirmed from nay other sources, and we should consider further here, is the focus on the Brow Chakra, and in particular, the moving of the point of awareness to this position. I will not go into great detail here, but it would seem to me that Frank has isolated an *extremely* useful component of projection. My subsequent research in fact has highlighted that similar methods have been used in isolation before, and that in particular, focus on the Brow Chrakra has long been used by Buddhist and Tibbetan Monks, mostly for enlightenment, although they appear to acknowledge that OBE is also a feature of this technique.

The allowing of the point of awareness to rise to the area of the Brow Chakra, and focussing on that area by rolling the eyes back, and maintaining that focus, seems to me to be an *extremely* important point! So:

2) Allow the point of awareness to rise to the area of the Brow Chakra, also known as the Third Eye, and maintain a focus of awareness in that position by rolling the eyes upwards, and maintaining that focus until vibrations occur.

The next interesting fact was that while many people project into the so called "real-time zone" of the Astral, and cannot achieve the dimensional shift to the Astral proper, Frank expereinced the opposite phenomena - projecting straight into the Astral, and not being able to reach the real-time zone. As I side note, I would say that although it is possible to move from the real-time zone to the Astral, I have never before seen a reference of anyone moving from the Astral to the real-time zone. Frank's method seems to connect directly with the Astral, and that is where he stays. It would be most interesting to discover what part of the Astral this represents - i.e. the same as that of Lucid Dreams  - the collective psyche - or does it transend this and project to higher levels of the Astral?

I believe the answer here is in the speed of projection. So:

3) If one goes directly with the vibrations, and without any conscious attempt at an exit, the result is a direct connection with the Astral, and some, as yet unknown level. But Frank has since discovered that by slowing things down, or by using a conscious exit method such as Rope, he can project into the real-time zone. Frank has not said yet I don't think, whether he has been able to project further into the Astral from the real-time zone.

Frank also mentions the body "expansion". This, I believe, is due to the projection of the "energy body", and which also is comprised of etheric energy. This energy body, being denser than the Astra-Mental body, keeps the projector in the real-time zone, for such time as the etheric energy of the energy body exists. When the etheric energy expires, the resultant Astra-Mental body then fades into the Astral - that might only become apparent when the "Alice in Wonderland" effect starts to occur - i.e. reality fluctuations such as the sudden appearance of a Cheshire Cat, in what was a real-time environment - or at least a reflection of the real-time environment.

It is also apparent that from the real-time zone, you can project into the Astral using an appropriate technique such as aiming for a point on the horizon, and flying as fast as possible towards that point. The big question then is - where in the Astral do you arrive?

Frank: When you project into the Astral using your current method as described, what sort of entities do you encounter there? Do you encounter Astral wildlife of all types, entities of a wide range of apparent abilities, intelligence levels, and motives, or do you onoy encounter fellow human type entities engaged in various situations?

It seems to me that Franks method can be used to either project directly into the Astral, or into the real-time zone first. It is also apparent that the point of awareness shift to the Brow Chakra is extremely significant in this process.

4) We can also add another factor into the equation, based on another technique for Lucid Dreaming and Astral Projection. That technique involves setting an alarm clock to awake 6 hours after you go to sleep. You then get up for 1 hour, read a book on OBE's etc., go back to bed, and focus on your Brow Chakra until you fall asleep. Soon afterwards you should either enter a Lucid Dream, or awake with "waking paralysis" at which point you do an exit for OBE. It is also possible to get to the waking paralysis stage from a Lucid Dream, by willing yourself to do so.

The big questions arising from this hypothesis so far are:

A) Can Frank's method be used anytime, and not just after waking in the early hours of the morning?

B) What level of the Astral is reached using any of these methods, is it controllable, and is it possible to reach higher levels of the Astral. The associated question is: are these mthods achieving higher levels of projection than the Lucid Dream levels of the individual or collective human psyche?

So there is a brief summary for now of the main issues, perhaps we can use this as a basis to answer more questions, and refine these methods towards an extremely useful OBE tecnique.

With best regards,

Adrian.