Past lives ?....I dont think so

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I am not really sure about reincarnation, but I tend to think that it is not as common as it is made out to be if it even occurs at all. I think that the physical is like the caterpillar stage of existance. We start here and then when we die we move on to the butterfly stage, or the next step in our spiritual evolution. The butterfly does not go back to being a caterpiller, why should we go back to being in the flesh of the physical.

As for people getting in touch with past lives, I think that they do, but it may not be their past lives but someone elses. Really I do not think it matters. If the experiences are important to the person then so be it. But does it really matter if it was actually the person or someone else. We can learn from other people's experiences, dead or alive.

Some may be able to choose to return to the physical willing. It may be possible. But I do not think that any one is forced to return here and I really think that most do not. I think that there is a lot to learn on other planes besides just this one.

[Tayesin]

Hi Mustardseed.
Well said.  And well written, I thought.

The ideas you came up with were very interesting and showed a great ability to look outside the box. I particularly liked the 'movie' scenario.  While I don't agree with it, I really do like the depth of your idea.  

And the next idea was just as brilliant.  I have met some people who say that is how it is, although I do not agree there either.  From the very little I know about the breakdown process you spoke about, the atoms from one living thing should, eventually, recombine to form the same thing.  It has a statistical reason to it that I do not comprehend. LOL  []

Love always.

[clandestino]

Hi there Mustardseed ! your scepticism about re-incarnation is understandable. However, bear in mind that re-incarnation is a central tenet in buddhism and hinduism...that's a lot of people who hold a view that differs from Christianity.

For those people, the things mentioned in the bible probably don't make sense, i.e. jesus was crucified, buried, and then 3 days later, he was back to his old self again.

You said :

quote:As a Christian I do not see a lot of evidence in support of Reincarnation as it is mostly explained,the Bible does very vaquely talk of things like this and whatever is there is in support of thi finallity of life on earth and not reincarnation.

A fair point - but consider this : I do not see a lot of evidence in support of god...ask any priest why, and he'll give you the stock answer "he doesn't need to prove himself" !! The point I'm trying to make is that *for most people*, re-incarnation or christianity is a matter of faith.

I say "for most people" - because I believe there are people who post on these forums that have established for themselves the reality of re-incarnation.

One final point - you said :

quote:There is one point that I do not feel is consistant in the theory of reincarnation. That is that everything changes on earth.

I see where you are coming from. Consider physical objects that are recycled on earth....molecules are continuously being destroyed and recreated in different forms. Like you said, they don't rise from the ashes like the phoenix. Just as with re-incarnation, I think it would be improbable for a person to be reincarnated in their past image / body. However, the route of the soul / mind during reincarnation is a completely different kettle of fish and doesn't have an analogous event on earth (i don't think it does, anyway !)
cheers

Mark

[KP]

I didn't used to think about past lives.  Now I am starting to remember parts of them as my old blockages are being cleared.  I have even shouted out sometimes when remembering.  Some feelings of total joy and amazement.  I even cried not so long ago when I remembered a place I used to visit.

There came a point where I knew I have lived before this.  Not a belief, not a part of knowledge, more of an understanding.

[James S]

Hi Mustardseed,

I see your old post on reincarnation has indeed been given another life to live. So there, see? Reincanation is true! []

Having said that, judging by the thought you put into your opening post, this topic has definitely come back as a more advanced being!
Thats some great arguments you've put forward. [^]

Sorry I don't have anything more intelligent to say this time than I did last time.[:I]

Regards,
James.

[beavis]

mustardseed "the past life is not ones own but rather a "MOVIE" THAT FEELS SO REAL that people choose to accept it as their own."

How do you know you were alive 10 years ago? All you have is a MOVIE in your head (and your friends' heads) that FEELS SO REAL that you chose to accept it as your own. In fact, there is no proof that the past even exists. Everything you know about the past is in MOVIES in the present.

[Tayesin]

Hi People.

quote by Beavis.
"How do you know you were alive 10 years ago? All you have is a MOVIE in your head (and your friends' heads) that FEELS SO REAL that you chose to accept it as your own. In fact, there is no proof that the past even exists. Everything you know about the past is in MOVIES in the present".
/quote.

I like it.  It borders on a Matrix-like scenario, and hay, do we know for sure that it isn't like any of these proposals? It is not my idea on things, but nothing much is. LOL.

Quote by KP.
"There came a point where I knew I have lived before this. Not a belief, not a part of knowledge, more of an understanding".
/quote.

So simply said and so very true.

Love always.

[Tab]

quote:Reincarnation was a basic tenant of the Catholic church until the fourth century AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine decided to tailor it to his specifications.

The Roman Emperor Constantine married his way into power. His third wife was a prostitute who had risen to the throne in the same diabolical ways Constantine had and who lived to have a devestating effect on the belief in reincarnation. The fear that her sins would follow from lifetime to lifetime infuriated her. She did not like the idea of Karma. Her life was filled with lies and treachery. She was not interested in advocated any religion that would demote her in another life. Thus she persuaded Emperor Constantine to remove reincarnation from Christainity.

Constantine, for all reports was vain and fearful for his many sins. He considered himself on one hand to be the incarnation of the Gods Apollo, Mytha, Jupiter, and Christ. On the other hand he was afraid that when he died he would anger these Gods in heaven.
He was the first Roman Emperor to support complete religious freedom of all faiths so that when he got to heaven no God would want to take venegence on him personally.

erm.. yep

But I'm not gonna talk, my views are prevalently hindu/theosophist, so I'm biased :/

[Tayesin]

quote:Originally posted by Tab
But I'm not gonna talk, my views are prevalently hindu/theosophist, so I'm biased :/

Hi tab, Congratulations on your honesty. Few people can admit their bias to specific belief systems and because you have, you now stand head and shoulders above the crowd in my estimation.

Thanks.

Love always.

[Radha]

As one of my teachers used to say;"It doesn't matter whether or not you believe in past lives...you'll come back anyway."
I've worked with past lives in myself and others since the 60's.  I've applied this area as a therapist at a psychiatric foundation and with just a group of interested friends.
The first thing you need is the procedure.  You do it over and over and sooner or later you are right in the middle of one.
Most people try to go into denial, rationalization etc, but oddly, they always come back for more.
Once you understand how the procedure works, and can be comfortable with it, we can get down to serious business.
Even if you don't do it very well you'll still gain understanding of the basis for behaviors, you'll see where habits you have today developed and why, and especially why your relationships today are the way they are with certain persons.
It is an area woth learning about and trying to understand, not with intellect, but consciousness.
If however you feel afraid of the subject or a fear of trying it, don't.  Leave it alone until perhaps a time you feel so inclined.
Good Luck,  Whoever you were
Radha

[Tayesin]

quote:Originally posted by Radha

As one of my teachers used to say;"It doesn't matter whether or not you believe in past lives...you'll come back anyway."

Yes, that is what I learned to be the truth of it.

[qoute]
Once you understand how the procedure works, and can be comfortable with it, we can get down to serious business.
Even if you don't do it very well you'll still gain understanding of the basis for behaviors, you'll see where habits you have today developed and why, and especially why your relationships today are the way they are with certain persons.
Radha
[/quote]

And again, this is what I have found. Some of us where I live have worked with other people and ourselves to have them experience their some of their past lives.  The very first thing I learned from my own and working with others, was that each person automatically went to  lives that have connections to their current life.  They always needed to remember something from it that helps in this one.

The more of this work I have done, the clearer the connections between life issues and people issues becomes.  So for me it is great to hear that someone else has also found this to be true, especially someone who has worked the field for as long as you Radha.  Thank you for this affirmation.

Love always.

[Mustardseed]

Yes well that is ofcourse one way to look at it Radha. I could paraphrase that and say wether you believe in the finality of life or not dosnt matter ....its over anyway. In other words whatever the truth is in this question it will happen to us wether we believe in it or not. It seems just a bit smug for you to use that line of arguing, which in my way of seeing things is nothing but a cop out.Then the coment insinuating that I or others like me should be afraid of admitting to this truth. Well let me say that if reincarnation is true and I have to leave that as an open question, I will be very very happy. If however this life is the only chance , I am a bit worried. My life is not exactly a story of great victories and overcoming, though I am getting to the point where I can accept my own humanity a bit better.

I have had several visions where I appear to be in another time and looking at the world through another persons eyes. It is a sort of roman time period and I seem to be very rich have armed guards and a summer castle of sorts overlooking a beautiful sea. I am in accompanied by a blond woman who seems to be my wife. I have had 3 of these very consistant. They have happened after exit through realtime zone and feel very real. However I am not sure what they are.

The idea that all experiences are only a movie so 10 years ago might not have happened I find silly. There is a continuancy in reality that a dream does not have.

Yes I guess I am reincarnated, in this subject ha. I do find it facinating and very mind challenging.
Regards Mustardseed

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I hope reincarnation is not true, or atleast a choice. I find this plane rather boring. I would like to explore other places without the bother of having to work, eat, go to the bathroom, and such. []

Is it not possible that by remembering past lives you are merely accessing the minds and emotions of people who have lived before that, though maybe similar to yourself, are not actually you? You are accessing them so you can learn from their experiences.

[Tayesin]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77
Is it not possible that by remembering past lives you are merely accessing the minds and emotions of people who have lived before that, though maybe similar to yourself, are not actually you? You are accessing them so you can learn from their experiences.

Fallnangel, that is a very plausable idea. And quite possible, perhaps it is a reality for some? If we do create all our own realities then this idea would not be out of place in that framework.

When I soul journey (not AP), many times I go to a place that is uniquely mine. You could say that it reeks of my energy. Inside this place are many icons that each relate to various historical periods and cultures in Earth's long history, and a few that do not come from here. While working with the Guides I had to re-connect to those times that were represented by the icons. Each was a life I have had here, no doubts. What convinced me was that as the soul I am, I feel a certain way, and in each of those lives I still felt like the soul I am despite having vastly different personalities, etc. This is one of the factors that convinced me of the truth about re-incarnation.  But once again, it is only my experience.[]

Love always.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

How would one go about seeking out past lives? I have never experienced such so I would like to see what it is like for myself.

Do you think that we must reincarnate on Earth? If there are other planets with intelligent beings such as ourselves, could we and/or do we incarnate as these other beings as well?

[Tayesin]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77
Do you think that we must reincarnate on Earth? If there are other planets with intelligent beings such as ourselves, could we and/or do we incarnate as these other beings as well?

Hi all.
Fallnangel, from my experience, we have and do incarnate on other worlds.  Some Souls even choose to have an incarnation on other worlds in-between coming here. There are no limits to what we can choose, we are very great beings and because of this, there are no barriers to what we can experience.

I first experienced returning to past lives with a group of elderly Ladies who love to help people learn about themself. They use a method called 'The Christos'. Apart from the obviously religious based name for this method, it works exceptionally well.  Since then I have used it with many other people and each time they were easily able to re-experience for themselves.

The method is best done with two people working on the person who will take the journey.  It is fairly involved and should be done by people who know the method well.  But, there must be other equally successful methods out there, so it wouldn't hurt to ask around at meditation circles and other spiritual groups. One caution here, be directed by your gut feelings when meeting and talking to people about this, you do not want to be used by others for their own purposes.

Love always.[]

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Thank you for the info. Unfortunately I do not know of any groups I could contact. I live in the southeastern US, otherwise known as the Bible Belt. I do not see a whole lot of diversity in my area, not saying that it is not there but such groups if they are around do not seem to be very visible. I am pretty isolated when it comes to spiritual matters.

[Mustardseed]

Well here we go again. I have another subject that I would like to ask your opinion about. I am at a bit of a detante with this one but here goes. I was thinking about Reincarnation and the undisputable fact that some people do have memmories of past lives. As a Christian I do not see a lot of evidence in support of Reincarnation as it is mostly explained,the Bible does very vaquely talk of things like this and whatever is there is in support of thi finallity of life on earth and not reincarnation. I realise that most of you might hit me with the one about a "indoctrinated beliefsystem" but please try to get over that ok. Lets just discuss the question on its own merits and not get caught up in where the questions come from.

Could this world being step the first step on a journey. (well maybe there is a past birth in heaven first where we are born as spirits or created or whatever ) but for simplicity we would then call this the first level. Could the past lives people "experience or remember" be shadow existances or astral eccos or even spirits of the departed reliving their memmory through our mind so to speak. So the past life is not ones own but rather a "MOVIE" THAT FEELS SO REAL that people choose to accept it as their own. It would be plausible to assume that the entire emotional "feel" being replayed together with the visual, sort of video audio emodio ha, could be quite compelling. That would explain these things.

This could even be the other way around too. About Children and others remembering a past life in heaven, is it possible that souls can live for very long "time", well there is no time there (maybe time is just messured in growth or progress) in the eternal but could we live a life of learning there in preparation for our life here. Could life on earth be the exam the final test?. There is one point that I do not feel is consistant in the theory of reincarnation. That is that everything changes on earth. A tree is burned then turns to vapour only part of this substance vapour ashes etc is used in a rebirth of another tree. It is not that as the Phoenix the bird dies and is then ressurected in its original state. It seems that only molecules are recycled and it is not nessesarily a tree that is the rebirth product but could be a variety of other creations.
I see nowhere in nature that things die and the substance is recycled to be reborn in the same spicies.!!

I apologise in advance if I have offended anyone by these questions.

PS I had the most amazing experience the other day. I had the vibrations and found out how to controll them played about with them for almost an hour making them come and go. After an hour I laid still and my etheric body started floating everso gently out og my physican till it wal at a 45 degree angle only attached by my scalp. Then it started turning and turning spinning everso softly around. I did not get dizzy but it was very pleasant and I was laughing loudly all the time. I didnt really want to go anywhere so I just laid there spinning and finally came bach and had a cup of coffea and wrote it down.