Phase Session Scenarios

[nikolai]

Sorry with all the questions guys, I'm just happy to have found you all : )

So here's another one:

1. What kind of scenarios/scenes do people play through when they are doing their Phase Meditations (i.e. Frank described his scenario in quite detail - I think it was walking on gold sand with white stones, he used the scenario with the F10 tape from Gateway Voyage if I'm not mistaken, thats what I mean in the question).

2. What kinds of 'unexpected' things happened to you in your scenario (if you remember, when you were practicing your phase sessions)?

3. Do you phase out during the scenario practice and literally appear in the scene, or if not then what else happens (i.e. do you phase out and appear in another scene, what kind of scene)?

[Lionheart]

 Hello Nikolai, my suggestion to you right now is, practice Phasing for yourself. Write down all of your results, then after a couple of months go back to your books and try to figure out what you are seeing, learning here. Personally my first experiences led me to finding my safe zone, which for me is a beach scene. I would first start out just lying in my beach chair looking out over the ocean. Once I had absorbed this in, I would identify with the smells, sounds, I would reach down and pick up a handful of sand and watch it sift through my fingers back down to the ground. Once I was fully in this scene, I would stand up and start walking down the beach to see what is there. This is the first time I met my guide, which happened to be a man I respected and good friend that had passed away a couple of years ago. Later on in my Phasing I came across an "Astral School" scenario where I was taught many helpful things. The most important being "SEE THROUGH" what is being told to you and to sit back and observe, this was more for the physical reality at this point. This had to do with changing my physical lifestyle, before I was to start experience the true Wider Reality. When I first got to the Wider Reality I was anxious with a ton of questions. I was told constantly to "OBSERVE". No questions, just observe. I was also reminded constantly that I had to leave the area when I was coming to the point of losing any memory recall of the event. This was discouraging because I was so deeply enjoying the experience or lesson, then all of a sudden the mind thought comes on strongly saying it is time to go. Everything and anything is possible in the Wider Reality. There are so many "WOW" moments to be found there it will keep you coming back for more. If you wish to read more of my personal experiences you can review my early posts by clicking on my profile. From all of your question that I am seeing on this forum recently I can see that you will definitely be successful in finding the Wider Reality. Try to experience it first, before you dissect it. Sometimes we get too wrapped up in trying to label what is happening instead of just laying back and experiencing it. The labels can come afterwards, once you have enough successful journeys under your belt.
Good Luck and Safe Travels!

[nikolai]

Thank you Lion,

I have been going through your past posts, I love doing that with people who have experience.

Yep, I got same advice from a few other sources, to just take it easy and observe what is going on.

My current phase scenario is a medieval room (I start there but then progress through the neighbourhood), but I did practice with a beach before. Once the beach scenario worked so well that it took about 5 minutes to phase into it, before I knew it, there was water on my face and I was literally there, it was very motivational. I think the Imagined movements of the water help to phase out a bit.

[Lionheart]

 If you haven't read Frank's entire PDF posts, all 1187 pages of it yet, I would start there. There is great information to be found and rehashed over and over again. It's a great place to find answers to your questions, learn new techniques and see his overall viewpoint on Astral Projection. Xanth did a great job in creating this.
Here is the link http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/franks_posts_pdf-t31449.0.html

[Pauli2]

If you haven't read Frank's entire PDF posts, all 1187 pages of it yet, I would start there.
There is great information to be found and rehashed over and over again. It's a great
place to find answers to your questions, learn new techniques and see his overall
viewpoint on Astral Projection.

I don't really agree, as I found so many question marks and incompletenesses,
in the Frank PDF that I finally felt that I had to write a review.

I also object to the idea that you will find answers or that much useful methods.
There is much text in the PDF, but in my opinion, a lot of it is very sketchy.

Perhaps Frank Kepple used a special method that worked for him, but I put doubt
in some of his claims. There are other problems too, for example, Kepple didn't
seem to put much thought to the concept Perceiver/Interpreter.

I'm sorry that I can't answer the TS's original questions, but I've not been able
to consciously AP/OBE by listening to Hemi-Sync.

Maybe the Gateway CDs should be used as exercises to go to altered states,
but in my opinion, very few people have reported actually doing OBE
during the CDs. The OBE/AP usually come in other sessions, without
Hemi-Sync! That's at least what I have noticed after having read a lot
of posts on various forums.

Some people have sites where they report their APs, like Leland or
in this blog post by Karen, they use very little Gateway CDs...

[Lionheart]

 Pauli you have an entirely different technique to experience the Astral than Frank has. Frank chose the method of Phasing over the traditional climbing out of the body technique. Frank does repeat himself quite a bit in that PDF. But, that is a good thing, I was trained in Sales and then went on to train other people what i learned on stage in seminars all over the country and one of the best techniques for training was rehashing a valid point over and over again. You did see though in my post above that I said that this PDF was based on Frank's overall viewpoint. I gain more from Frank's PDF and Tom Campbell's videos then I did from any book I have read by any of the pioneers. I am on-board 100% with Frank's views and have proven them to myself to be true.  We are consciousness locked in a physical vessel. When you learn to leave this vessel at will and that you can leave it at will you are truly opening yourself to something special.  

[todd421757]

Pauli you have an entirely different technique to experience the Astral than Frank has. Frank chose the method of Phasing over the traditional climbing out of the body technique.

Lionheart is correct. This is the reason for much of the disagreements.

I only do climbing out of the body techniques which is the reason why nothing that Frank says in his PDF is anything similar to what I have found.

If someone performs climbing out of the body techniques, they would be better off reading some of the classic OBE authors like Oliver Fox and Sylvan Muldoon. These books fit my experiences much better.

[Xanth]

Don't listen to Pauli, he's just got a vendetta against anyone who doesn't whole-fully agree with his "published authors" views.  LoL

Sorry with all the questions guys, I'm just happy to have found you all : )

We're glad to have you here.

1. What kind of scenarios/scenes do people play through when they are doing their Phase Meditations (i.e. Frank described his scenario in quite detail - I think it was walking on gold sand with white stones, he used the scenario with the F10 tape from Gateway Voyage if I'm not mistaken, thats what I mean in the question).

They can be as complicated or simple as you want.  Just make sure the scenario engages as many of your senses as possible.

2. What kinds of 'unexpected' things happened to you in your scenario (if you remember, when you were practicing your phase sessions)?

I was meditating one day, randomly doing a rundown with no real goal in mind... I was up at the beach, and I jumped into a rowboat which was on the water.  At which point, the boat randomly began to tip and rock uncontrollably.  This wasn't something that I had planned and I couldn't stop it either until I actually got out of the rowboat.

3. Do you phase out during the scenario practice and literally appear in the scene, or if not then what else happens (i.e. do you phase out and appear in another scene, what kind of scene)?

That's the general idea of the rundown.  You'll enter either the scene you're visualizing... or a random other scene.

I'm in full agreement with Lionhearts assessment too.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
This has reminded me of the first fully concious projection.  I had been given from America but cant remember its title. Inside was instructions to obtain fully controlled exits through visualisations. They consisted of the usual get comfy, scratch the itches and relax. Then when your body slowly fades you will find yourself entering your mind in your head. You will see a blackness and within this look for a point of light, a dot, faint but somewhere. Concentrate on getting this dot infront of you and you will feel very light. Floating towards this dot youll see it grow brighter and a form will start to show itself. This will be of 3 stone pillars. As you float ever closer they will appear 2 in front 1 to the rear all will be glowing with white light. Approaching these at 100 feet you'll start to feel the ground beneath your feet. The glow will be quite bright at this point. Walk towards the pillars and notice them moving to eachothers respective resting location. Hear the stone slide on the floor, feel the vibrations under and through you. When you are 6 feet away youll see the pillars glowing ever brighter until they take all your vision. Feel their energy, know they are pure and enter the triangle with your location in mind. They will send you there to explore to your hearts content.

This is almost word for word. I read it in 1974 and have recently used it again. It works too. Its a great visualisation and this was well before phasing was known to me. That happened last year 15 may. I remember some  cra p dont I? lol.

[Xanth]

Szaxx,
It works because it's enticing your senses to begin providing input from somewhere other than the physical.
What it is... is the Mental Rundown exercise that Frank taught. 

None of these techniques are new.  People are just re-discovering them.

[Szaxx]

Exactly and to the point.
None of it is new.
Its each persons own perspective which differs slightly. At the extremes of this slight difference there is, when you look at it, two completely different views and ideals.
Im sure some on here already realise this but there is the problem of mostly newcomers to this are unsure of what to do and go chasing someone elses idea, which if they stopped and thought about it, would not work for them. Unfortunately theres no universal manual on projecting and attempting this is a head banging on a wall thing.
Finding that sequence which works generally, would take so much input from all that its unworkable.
Its a catch 22 situation and Id love to find a general working answer but this at present means conversing individually for resoultion.
A thought from a recent conversation about being able to do phasing and then  retrievals to order. I dont know if any publications exist on this two tierd outlook , anyone?

[Pauli2]

A thought from a recent conversation about being able to do phasing and then
retrievals to order. I dont know if any publications exist on this two tierd
outlook , anyone?

My answer is that the most writings so far on retrievals have been done by
Bruce Moen in his 5 books. At some point there also was a permanent topic
on Moen at this site, but that seems to have been removed (?).

What's worth noting is that Moen seldom did his retrievals from any AP/OBE
state. He's always in the physical, but perceives his retrievals with his
non-physical senses. I think that Moen once wrote he in total had had
about 10 OBEs. My way differs a little though, as seen here.

Monroe has written about retrievals, and others like S Muldoon have mentioned
it in their books. One of the better descriptions on how-to has been presented
by Vicky Short in her book. V Short's book also contain other interesting info
as she seems to have further non-physical abilities and experiences, besides
astral projection and OBE. Moen praised her book on the aspect of how-to-do
retrievals.

I don't know if anyone has done a book on F Kepple-style phasing. My impression is
that Kepple's method is somewhat different from the 'phasing' mentioned in Monroe's
last book, even if Kepple himself won't (?) agree with me.

I have never done any conscious OBE and those few I've had have almost every one
been by chance from SP. The more meditation or similar sessions you do, the more
SP and LDs you will get. I haven't managed the phasing, and I haven't managed to
do the roll-out method and I haven't managed to turn an LD into an OBE (but the
reverse has unfortunately happened to me). So I guess OBEs can be done by
several different methods.

[Xanth]

So, we've heard from all these authors which you've read on the subject.
Now what's "Pauli's" opinion on this?

[Szaxx]

Hi Pauli,
This a bit of the missing?

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/b_moens_exploring_3d_blackness_chat_transcript-t2905.0.html

Found it through google.

[Lionheart]

 Excellent link there Szaxx, truly a great find. The 3D darkness is where you find the doorways and portals. When I begin my Phase sessions, I immediately visualize my spinning top, but it is usually right in front of my eyes in 2D. Throughout my session I periodically go back to my "spinning top" visual until all of a sudden it seems like my spinning top has moved further away than where it previously was. At this point I am at my launching pad, I can now continue to watch the top, which will morph into something new or i can create my intent for this session and be whisked away to that area.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Thats the thing that works for you many times over, great. I have many differing ways dependant on various aspects. Sleep deprivation being one...
I read that old post and the way to realise an exit is seemingly poor. You are too open to suggestion doing this and when here thoughts=action is extremely prominent. Decide before starting to phase the intended outing. On reaching this 3D state either enjoy its ambience or use the previous intended thought. Looking for a difference in the grains is in my opinion asking for higher failiures to occur especially if your quite new to it. Simply use the intended thought and close your eyes knowing youll hear the familiar sounds of the intended thought. Only open them if they are correct to you. Its translocation basically and rarely fails to deliver. On occasion a smell or other sense is used. If you wish to get to higher realms then youll need to know more of the feel of the place, best ask for help on this. If your not accepted into it a guide helps to make it so. More applicable to newcomers....
Its my aim to reach this darkness before an exit as you can ask anything here and the answer comes in many interesting formats. Remember we are physically orientated your answer definately will not.
Happy hunting....

[Pauli2]

Hi Pauli,
This a bit of the missing?

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/b_moens_exploring_3d_blackness_chat_transcript-t2905.0.html

No, that's not the one.

There once was a very good Moen thread among the Permanent Topics.
That thread is now gone. Disappeared.

[Contenteo]

1. What kind of scenarios/scenes do people play through when they are doing their Phase Meditations (i.e. Frank described his scenario in quite detail - I think it was walking on gold sand with white stones, he used the scenario with the F10 tape from Gateway Voyage if I'm not mistaken, thats what I mean in the question).

Whatever I feel like. Usually something involving me running around or doing a exercise of some sort is most effective. My favorite is playing frisbee. Reading the metaphsyical frisbee as it glides through the air really takes my focus away.

2. What kinds of 'unexpected' things happened to you in your scenario (if you remember, when you were practicing your phase sessions)?

Anything. That's why they are unexpected. But when the unexpected things kick in. Go with them. Don't fight. Let them take over. Let them take over to the point where you have no idea what is going on. To answer you question. idk, the frisbee turns bright red, another person joins the frisbee throwing session, The scenerio changes to a different location,etc.

3. Do you phase out during the scenario practice and literally appear in the scene, or if not then what else happens (i.e. do you phase out and appear in another scene, what kind of scene)?

Depends on what type of exit I am doing. Regardless the scene usually gets uber intense. I get into it. I lose counscious control in there somewhere. I end up one of a laundry list of states.

-Dreaming, which turns to lucid dreams

-A black slightly conscious state, which will transform into a projection when I 'grab' onto the right place,

-The falling black darkness (F15), what appears to be hour of dreaming before I realize something is not right --> lucid dream --> projection

-Overall lucid dream.

-A semi lucid dream with projection like qualities(i.e. I feel like I can look up or move my head at something things I want to look at. Deepening is needed at this point.

-A fantastic dream, which usually turns out to be a BST experience because of many factors.

-Or amongst many variable other occurrences,

-A homerun rollout into my F21.

-Others I can't think of right now.

Ok, put bullets to it to make it a little easier. It was too late when I first wrote this to correct stuff.  
Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Contenteo

[nikolai]

Thank u guys all for sharing, I wrote a longer answer but my phone crashed