Physical planets with physical, intelligent beings

[Astralzombie]

In response, I would have to ask you what you mean by "external means"? I am referring to the soul being tortured by something or someone who inhabits the same plane that the soul can freely travel in.

That's exactly what I am referring to as well. I think we can all agree that a soul or consciousness can torture themselves personally but you were referring to torture perpetuated by an outside force.

Yeah, it's possible that I could misinterpret something. But usually it's kind of hard to misinterpret something when it's a first-hand experience.

I would have to strongly disagree with this statement. We (humans) misinterpret what we see and hear all the time and often it is detrimental to a third party.

AAAAAA, there is no conspiracy to single you out and argue with you just for the sake of arguing. It's just that you make it too easy. You have made many statements in the past such as, "that's just stupid" for example. There are many more to choose from but I don't have the time or desire to dig them up.

We are a community here and like most communities we defend each other but that doesn't mean that you can't become a valued member yourself. I have already told you that we think you are highly intelligent...now, if only we could steer you away from the dark side.

[newmethod]

I can't answer that This isn't the right place.

It would be interesting to learn where you gathered this information and if it was a direct experience i would like to hear your story.

I am not going to immediately believe anything you say here because as Astralzombie suggests i do in fact believe it is very possible and to a degree quite probable that we can misinterpret something, we possibly misinterpret may things, many times a day whether it is in physical life or in the NPR. Really, it's amazing that we experience a similar enough reality to agree at all. Only those with perfect vision & perfect mind 100% of the time could suggest otherwise and even if ones such as this existed it doesn't suggest that it applies to the rest of us especially when we understand in many instances we do not have this vision and mind 100% of the time.

Years ago, i was conducting quite a deep healing session with a friend. Within this she regressed beyond birth to the other side and she believed it felt as if she incarnated in this life time before she was ready. She was at the moment of incarnation and she felt like she was pushed down the funnel and into this life. It seemed other beings pushed her. She was told she "had to go!". Whether she was experiencing herself as her soul at that time could be questioned but she was experiencing life between lives. I was there i believe what she was experiencing.

If she was experiencing her soul at that time (which i'm not 100% sure she was) then it knew fear and anxiety. Something which you'd not expect a soul to experience.

The question is even if she was experiencing her soul, was she experiencing it fully as that we identify as virtually pure spirit, consciousness, god-itself? Maybe she was experiencing a watered down version of her full soul. Either way this circumstance along with my own experiences has led me to believe other non-physical beings can certainly affect us in a multitude of ways.

Possibly in this instance because she didn't have a physical incarnation at the time it allowed a greater influence by non-physical beings. Perhaps while on this Earth plane we are protected from most malevolent beings that would do us harm and also prevented from being more influenced by the benevolent beings that might interact with us while on the other side. Personally it is my current belief that this earthly realm is indeed a training ground, one that partly serves the purpose of giving us greater power, flexibility and presence when we return to inhabit otherworlds between lifetimes and in the NPR in general.

Imagine if one was between lifetimes and indeed having the experience of having their soul tortured. It is indeed quite fathomable and very possibly related to belief system running between lifetimes but if one was to experience it (not from belief but circumstances in that environment allowed it to become reality) would lifetimes of physical experience assist one into questioning as to why this is happening? From there would it not be like waking up into a dream and allowing one to play a more interactive and conscious role and from there it is limitless as to what one could do to prevent their 'soul' from being tortured. 

It's very understandable AAAAAAAA that an experience you have had has led you to this belief. Do consider that it is possibly a misinterpretation and that you don't understand everything completely to make an informed decision or belief around your experience? Sure, i would suggest holding onto it (as an experience to learn from) until you can make an informed decision as to where to place this experience in the complete scheme of things but also keep your mind open to the possibility that you have been misinformed or tricked into this idea.

i also urge other members to not write off another's experience or suggest it is just based on that members belief system just because it is different from their own experiences or belief system.

That said i am a huge believer in like attracts like and that what you will believe you will receive. i also am a huge believer in that like has the ability to cure/heal like in many instances.

Very likely that the energy one gives something is related to the hold it has on us, this is almost certainly true. That said, even if one believes something (from my experience and understanding) due to the nature of this reality it will have an effect to a lesser or greater degree. However, if the truth of reality is different to the ones belief truth will still remain true in reality no matter what.

Please AAAAAAAA, please consider telling your story and helping us understand how you arrived at your current conclusion as some members here including myself are open to an array of possibilities in this multitudinous cosmos and would like you to share your thoughts to help us further explore  and understand the wider reality that we inhabit. Even if it proves scary for some...

-NM-

[AAAAAAAA]

It would be interesting to learn where you gathered this information and if it was a direct experience i would like to hear your story.

I am not going to immediately believe anything you say here because as Astralzombie suggests i do in fact believe it is very possible and to a degree quite probable that we can misinterpret something, we possibly misinterpret may things, many times a day whether it is in physical life or in the NPR. Really, it's amazing that we experience a similar enough reality to agree at all. Only those with perfect vision & perfect mind 100% of the time could suggest otherwise and even if ones such as this existed it doesn't suggest that it applies to the rest of us especially when we understand in many instances we do not have this vision and mind 100% of the time.

Years ago, i was conducting quite a deep healing session with a friend. Within this she regressed beyond birth to the other side and she believed it felt as if she incarnated in this life time before she was ready. She was at the moment of incarnation and she felt like she was pushed down the funnel and into this life. It seemed other beings pushed her. She was told she "had to go!". Whether she was experiencing herself as her soul at that time could be questioned but she was experiencing life between lives. I was there i believe what she was experiencing.

If she was experiencing her soul at that time (which i'm not 100% sure she was) then it knew fear and anxiety. Something which you'd not expect a soul to experience.

The question is even if she was experiencing her soul, was she experiencing it fully as that we identify as virtually pure spirit, consciousness, god-itself? Maybe she was experiencing a watered down version of her full soul. Either way this circumstance along with my own experiences has led me to believe other non-physical beings can certainly affect us in a multitude of ways.

Possibly in this instance because she didn't have a physical incarnation at the time it allowed a greater influence by non-physical beings. Perhaps while on this Earth plane we are protected from most malevolent beings that would do us harm and also prevented from being more influenced by the benevolent beings that might interact with us while on the other side. Personally it is my current belief that this earthly realm is indeed a training ground, one that partly serves the purpose of giving us greater power, flexibility and presence when we return to inhabit otherworlds between lifetimes and in the NPR in general.

Imagine if one was between lifetimes and indeed having the experience of having their soul tortured. It is indeed quite fathomable and very possibly related to belief system running between lifetimes but if one was to experience it (not from belief but circumstances in that environment allowed it to become reality) would lifetimes of physical experience assist one into questioning as to why this is happening? From there would it not be like waking up into a dream and allowing one to play a more interactive and conscious role and from there it is limitless as to what one could do to prevent their 'soul' from being tortured. 

It's very understandable AAAAAAAA that an experience you have had has led you to this belief. Do consider that it is possibly a misinterpretation and that you don't understand everything completely to make an informed decision or belief around your experience? Sure, i would suggest holding onto it (as an experience to learn from) until you can make an informed decision as to where to place this experience in the complete scheme of things but also keep your mind open to the possibility that you have been misinformed or tricked into this idea.

i also urge other members to not write off another's experience or suggest it is just based on that members belief system just because it is different from their own experiences or belief system.

That said i am a huge believer in like attracts like and that what you will believe you will receive. i also am a huge believer in that like has the ability to cure/heal like in many instances.

Very likely that the energy one gives something is related to the hold it has on us, this is almost certainly true. That said, even if one believes something (from my experience and understanding) due to the nature of this reality it will have an effect to a lesser or greater degree. However, if the truth of reality is different to the ones belief truth will still remain true in reality no matter what.

Please AAAAAAAA, please consider telling your story and helping us understand how you arrived at your current conclusion as some members here including myself are open to an array of possibilities in this multitudinous cosmos and would like you to share your thoughts to help us further explore  and understand the wider reality that we inhabit. Even if it proves scary for some...

-NM-

I'm not exactly open about that kind of stuff. I've shared only a few of my experiences here. Having information about myself being easily accessed online, isn't something I'm really fond of, so I keep somewhat quiet. I'm really not concerned with people believing me or not. But if I entertained you, I am always glad to do so. Sorry for being disappointing.

However, since I do like curious people, such as yourself, I will tell you something about me that may or may not (who knows?) get you closer to understanding what it is exactly that I feel. You can really sum it up in two phrases: psychic attack and psychic backlash. I will also tell you that you are spot on about a lot of stuff. One being that experiences leading up until now has shaped my belief in his whole idea that I have. It is for that very reason that I continue to believe in what I believe. If projecting and traveling with the astral body really is just a state of consciousness, then it is a reality that is no different than this "physical reality".

Reality = Reality

EDIT: Again, I'm sorry that I am not as open about my experiences as most others on this forum. There's a very fine line that separates me and other people. One must be on the same side of that line as me before I will open up to them about experiences.

[Szaxx]

AAAAAA, have you ever experienced the universal oneness?
It seems unlikely though but I'll await your answer.
If so briefly explain what you experienced.

[AAAAAAAA]

AAAAAA, have you ever experienced the universal oneness?
It seems unlikely though but I'll await your answer.
If so briefly explain what you experienced.

I'm not really sure what that means. But, while in the astral, I have experienced emotions that cannot be "translated" into emotions in this more physical reality. They are emotions that would have to be converted, but can't be whilst being here. I can still feel them even when I'm not projecting, but there's no way to describe them while I'm here in this physical realm.

[Szaxx]

Ok, I guess some of these are positive feel good emotions. You'll always get bad ones, these are a part of life and should teach you something. The short sharp shock way lol.
Its your best experience I'm looking for, what was the environment percieved as?

[AAAAAAAA]

Ok, I guess some of these are positive feel good emotions. You'll always get bad ones, these are a part of life and should teach you something. The short sharp shock way lol.
Its your best experience I'm looking for, what was the environment percieved as?

My best experience was in a void of some kind. More like a "vacuum" I guess. I was propelling through this vacuum with another soul. Someone who is important to me and my existence. Some other things happened, but I'm not really willing to say much more. This is where that "line" is. Anything more of this experience is specific and personal to only me. Sorry about that. I can tell you however that what happened was only partially accountable for making this, by far, my best experience. It was the combination of the occuring event AND the emotions behind them. The emotions were the ones I mentioned before that i don't know how to convert into this more physical place. I'd say it weighs out to be 35% of the occuring events and 65% of the emotions that made this my best experience. And the environment was preceived as such: black. It is almost like when you close your eyes, and you can't see anything except for black. The only difference is that this environment was darker than black. And that is something that is hard to wrap your mind around unless you've seen it before, so I would have to apologize for my lack of detail. It's not something I really know how to describe to someone.

[Stillwater]

The only difference is that this environment was darker than black.

Makes sense enough to me.

[Szaxx]

No form nothing physically recognisable, emotional and feeling based mental communications experiences are quite rare.
Post
More after a read.

[AAAAAAAA]

No form nothing physically recognisable, emotional and feeling based mental communications experiences are quite rare.
Post
More after a read.

No form indeed. I'd go even further than that and say that there's nothing, but everything to understand. All at the same time. It's really not something that's even worth trying to explain here. But I trust that you already understand, at least a little bit. I got your message and I'm glad that there is atleast a few other people on this forum who can relate I'll be happy to continue conversation via private messaging.

[Fusions]

AAAAAA, have you ever experienced the universal oneness?
It seems unlikely though but I'll await your answer.
If so briefly explain what you experienced.

Have you? 

[Ellury]

I've been in a blackness similar to that. (I say similar, because I don't know anything really about it.) I was actually laying next to someone close to me in the physical when it happened. It was a really strange experience. It was like the only thing that existed was my awareness of the blackness. I did't think, feel or anything while I was there, I  was just aware I was there. Then waking back up in the physical was really weird. First thoughts that began to surface where "where was I, what was that?" Then I would settle back down and go back to what I had been doing before it ended up there and just go right back to that blackness. I've tried to repeat that experience, I'm not sure why I want to, but it was kind of nice having a some experience that I can't really understand.

[AAAAAAAA]

I've been in a blackness similar to that. (I say similar, because I don't know anything really about it.) I was actually laying next to someone close to me in the physical when it happened. It was a really strange experience. It was like the only thing that existed was my awareness of the blackness. I did't think, feel or anything while I was there, I  was just aware I was there. Then waking back up in the physical was really weird. First thoughts that began to surface where "where was I, what was that?" Then I would settle back down and go back to what I had been doing before it ended up there and just go right back to that blackness. I've tried to repeat that experience, I'm not sure why I want to, but it was kind of nice having a some experience that I can't really understand.

My environment was different. I was propelling through a vacuum. There was no place to lay down. lol.