questions....

[smilecollecter]

Other than the adventure of it, what are the benefits of oobes' and what is the down side (other than seeing scary creatures).  Is going out-of-body often determiental to the physical body? Has anyone tried certain brainwave tones to help get out?

[AlanRK]

Other than the adventure of it, what are the benefits of oobes'

No offense, I mean this without contempt, but this is a silly question. The potential of exploring wider realities beyond what we can perceive here on Earth speaks for itself.

what is the down side (other than seeing scary creatures)

In my opinion there are no downsides. The few negative effects I've gotten are overshadowed by the benefits, and so I see the negatives as absolutely non-existent. If anyone does not like the OBE experience then they can end it with a single thought. I know some people feel that OBE's are not for them. Personally I find that such people are letting negative experiences get to them too much, and they act out of fear. The "But I might encounter negative spirits!" argument is totally foolish and short-sighted. It's about as full of sense as deciding never to leave your house because other people might look at you funny, or choosing never to watch any movies again because you saw a scary film once.

Is going out-of-body often determiental to the physical body?

No, it's perfectly natural.

[Xanth]

Alan, I'm sure he's asking because, like most people, they don't really know what to expect out there in the greater consciousness. 

smilecollecter...
I have to go out for a bit, when I have time, I'll try to put something together.
For now, I'll point you to my own website, which is a collection of my own thoughts and ideas on the subject.

You can find the link in my sig, below. 

[smilecollecter]

I was very involved in trying to have oobes a few years ago and managed to get out a few times and enjoyed it, but got so excited at being out that...splat, I was snapped back in.  I think I read that the key to staying out longer is to keep your emotions under control.  I understand that a person's experience can be positive or negative, depending on the emotional and mental state when they are trying to get out.  I know I go out when I am dreaming and I have flying dreams a lot and I can remember having one or two lucid dreams. My interest in oobe again has been sparked by some people's comments on the BWG site and that is why I've asked the questions, especially about using certain brainwave entrainments to help get to that place where a person can exit.  Since it's been a few years since I visited this sight, I just thought more knowledge would be available to make it easier for those who have a difficult time getting out naturally.  I want to learn how to remember my experiences in more detail and be in control of the experience too.

[AlanRK]

Emotios - yes, you have to keep them under control. That doesn't mean you can't feel certain certain emotions intensely, just the kind of "physical" emotions which are of a low energetic quality. For example, I was once in a region where I was overwhelmed joy, wonder and excitement, and I was perfectly rooted there. However I met some spirits, and after a bit of interaction I felt a twinge of embarassment about something. This tiny twinge was enough to cause a strong pull back to my body, although in this particular experience I managed to prevent it.

Control - Experience.

Remembrance - Remain still after an experience and mentally recap what you went through, then write it all down.

[smilecollecter]

PS...AlanRk....The exploring of it is the adventure of it.  I'm thinking in terms of a practical side..such as finding answers to questions...such as for health, or who to go to to publish your books or maybe finding out ahead of time that the house you would like to live in is the best for you or not.  Things that our conscious minds can only guess at.  I'm also looking forward to traveling and seeing places that I would never get to see except in books or movies.....plus no body scanners and the price is right. 

[AlanRK]

PS...AlanRk....The exploring of it is the adventure of it.  I'm thinking in terms of a practical side..such as finding answers to questions...such as for health, or who to go to to publish your books or maybe finding out ahead of time that the house you would like to live in is the best for you or not.  Things that our conscious minds can only guess at.  I'm also looking forward to traveling and seeing places that I would never get to see except in books or movies.....plus no body scanners and the price is right. 

It depends on your conception of "adventure". For me, learning new things beyond our current reality is an adventure, and since OBE's are a powerful learning tool, it is full of practical adventure. Now, do you want something practical that will benefit you in this physical life from OBE's? That is possible, but also not even close to the full potentials, and most likely you will begin to see this when you exit your body. OBE's can benefit you in numerous ways, however you choose, but for me personally the main benefits come to me internally, which to me is more meaningful than anything that would practically benefit me in the physical. After all, this life is short, and what do we take with us when we exit it? Only ourselves. Development of the self ensures a richer overall life, the eternal one, not just the temporary one.

For finding answers to questions in the physical, psychic abilities would be more suited to that. For everything else there's astral projection.

[fossilera]

Has anyone tried certain brainwave tones to help get out?

I have, but most of the time found that they were more of a distraction. At one point, I attempted an experiment with them, with the idea that if I was able to keep focused on the beats (or music), less focus would be placed on the body (and therefore, create a "mind awake, body asleep" state). In short, I had three conscious obe's within those two weeks.

If you want smilecollector, I can send you the experiment & results.

-Fossilera

[smilecollecter]

Fossilera,
Yes, I would be interested in reading of your experience and what brain tones you used, etc.
I downloaded a couple of presets from Brainwave Generator for oobes but only used one yesterday.  I also recorded some one word instructions I played subliminally below the sound of the preset tones to help.  One word is "clarity"...another is "control"..another "remember" and then I also added "be happy".   Even though I didn't exit yesterday I did wake up very happy.  I've thought that perhaps the tones and words would hinder exiting because you would still be tied to this physical world.  I'm not interested in the astral part right now....just being able to go visit places in real time and explore the beauty of our world.

[fossilera]

Alright, seeing as the file uploading is returning errors, I uploaded it here: This Link. The only different thing about this experiment was that I focused more on relaxing music than on brainwave tones and the like (but this could easily be substituted). I've used the Brainwave Generator in the past, but wasn't too fond of it (mostly because I didn't know how to add WAV files to a cd, so whenever I used it, I had to literally set my computer & headphones next to my bed.). I did enjoy the presets that came with the Mastering Astral Projection book, as well as Deep Mind IV (I think it was called that).

Have you tried the isotones yet? (http://iso-tones.com/tones.html). At one point, I had a huge list of the free brainwave/binaural beats/frequencies (but that was way back on another computer). Isotones was one of the few I remembered.

And you know, I also felt that listening to the tones might hinder a projection attempt, because just like you said, it still forms a connection to the physical world. The ironic thing was that towards the end of the experiment, the audio had less of an effect (meaning I was starting to tune-out the music being played).

Anyways, enjoy the read.
-Fossilera

EDIT: Link Fixed

[smilecollecter]

The file is not showing up here either.  Thank you for trying.  I have tried the isotones too but not for oobes.